Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
That is IRB Guidance to all judiciaries.
Whether competition organisers and judiciaries follow it is a separate discussion.
Schoolboy Rugby Violence
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That is IRB Guidance to all judiciaries.
Whether competition organisers and judiciaries follow it is a separate discussion.
Rassie
Trevor Allan (34)
I notice bollocks grabbing and such maximum is higher than eye gouging. So its seen as a more serious offense than eye gouging?
A schoolboy from Noord-Kaap High School got a 80 week ban for punching and then head butting a player from Waterkloof High School. News 24 reported the incident as follows:
SonnyDillWilliams
Nev Cottrell (35)
that Riverview v Kings head butt is more typical [than the above], in that it happened "late" in the game, as opposed to early in the game
refs should understand, there is a medical explanation
and this is not to, in any way exonerate the Riverview no 5
but when kids are tired they can often act like they are drunk
it is what doctors attribute to so called "disinhibitors"
it is bit like when you see a 5 year old around bed time, they are in fact exhausted, but often become manic, as the exhaustion, sees their inhibitions disappear
so IMHO refs need to be alert to the fact that risk of foul play, seemingly unprovoked incidents, will normally increase the longer the game proceeds
so most likely just before half time, and just before full time
and more likely in players that are more fatigued or less fit
generally the PIGGIES
if you look at the video footage, of the Riverview incident, it looks like something you could see outside any local pub, at closing time
and it is not just refs who need to police it ... I think coaches should be aware of it, and team captains should be given responsibility of ensuring their players don't lose their discipline
as quite apart from the fact that it has no place, it could cause you to lose the game, or cost you a team mate, in the next round
I reckon coaches might even consider pulling off players, who are the types that are prone to late game aggression
anyway just some random ramblings
refs should understand, there is a medical explanation
and this is not to, in any way exonerate the Riverview no 5
but when kids are tired they can often act like they are drunk
it is what doctors attribute to so called "disinhibitors"
it is bit like when you see a 5 year old around bed time, they are in fact exhausted, but often become manic, as the exhaustion, sees their inhibitions disappear
so IMHO refs need to be alert to the fact that risk of foul play, seemingly unprovoked incidents, will normally increase the longer the game proceeds
so most likely just before half time, and just before full time
and more likely in players that are more fatigued or less fit
generally the PIGGIES
if you look at the video footage, of the Riverview incident, it looks like something you could see outside any local pub, at closing time
and it is not just refs who need to police it ... I think coaches should be aware of it, and team captains should be given responsibility of ensuring their players don't lose their discipline
as quite apart from the fact that it has no place, it could cause you to lose the game, or cost you a team mate, in the next round
I reckon coaches might even consider pulling off players, who are the types that are prone to late game aggression
anyway just some random ramblings
Man on the hill
Alex Ross (28)
No coaches need to sub the player out. I recall watching a game where the ref obviously knew the home team well. A home team player had already been admonished for a 50/50 high tackle, then another - the home manager was tending to an injury & the referee indicated to the manager that the as the player was getting increasingly tired & the tackles creeping up to card area.
The upshot - the coach & manager decided keeping their star on the field to win a game, 5 minutes later a really bad high tackle - red card for the player, 2 minutes later full time.
2 week suspension for the kid should have been a month for 2 dopey adults who were more concerned about winning than players getting tired.
The upshot - the coach & manager decided keeping their star on the field to win a game, 5 minutes later a really bad high tackle - red card for the player, 2 minutes later full time.
2 week suspension for the kid should have been a month for 2 dopey adults who were more concerned about winning than players getting tired.
Aurora Australis
Frank Nicholson (4)
Law No 10.4(k) Verbal abuse of Players based on Religion, Race, Colour, or National or Ethnic Origin or otherwise
Given ranger is neither a race or religion and no one can describe the colour red gingers are apparently fair game
Given ranger is neither a race or religion and no one can describe the colour red gingers are apparently fair game
Old schooled
Frank Nicholson (4)
After seeing fights in lower grade CAS games today at Trinity and reading about more of the same with New V View, St Pat's VAuggies, isn't it about time a centralised judiciary system is implemented?
Schools can't keep turning a blind eye and not suspending players.
The ARU and NSWRU need to take a firm hand and stamp out this type of behaviour from all levels of the game.
Schools can't keep turning a blind eye and not suspending players.
The ARU and NSWRU need to take a firm hand and stamp out this type of behaviour from all levels of the game.
I like to watch
David Codey (61)
I don't think it's a coincidence, that this is the last round for many of these competitions.The kids have no inhibitions, they can't miss any more games,the season's over.
A centralise judiciary won't change that mindset.
A centralise judiciary won't change that mindset.
Old schooled
Frank Nicholson (4)
This is why a centralised Judiciary is required. Many of these boys will go to colt's and unfortunately Mungo.
If suspended would remind them they are accountable for their actions.
They can't just take parting cheap shots.
GPSrow
Watty Friend (18)
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Trust me, I've spoken and heard a few things from the Newington Crowd on the weekend and everyone involved on the Newington side of the fight is facing the repercussions.
Trust me, I've spoken and heard a few things from the Newington Crowd on the weekend and everyone involved on the Newington side of the fight is facing the repercussions.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Is is a coincidence that this sort of stuff seems to happen around this time of the year across the board, regardless of the association, GPS, CAS, ISA or Juniors/Colts?
The Year 12 Boys are all up for their last game of Schoolboy footy, so who cares? They are flameproof and only have high stress exams and Schoolies to look forward to before they are thrust into the big wide world.
In the Juniors, for many it is heading towards their last club game (like the Y12 boys in the school system). Some will be departing the Club scene to be absorbed into the Schools opens or 16A football for 2014. Others departing clubland because they are either too old in 2014, or their Club will not be running a team in 2014. This departing cohort's behaviour may be influenced adversely if they haven't made the finals.
Same for Colts, some lads will be coming to the end of their time in Colts and want to go out in a blaze of glory, again exacerbated if they are likely to miss the finals.
Centralised judiciaries would work if the kids propagating or perpetuating these acts would be playing the next year, and therefore subject to the penalties. Many kids simply leave rugby at the end of their time in the School, Juniors or Colts Schemes. For these kids there is no rugby tomorrow to be accountable in.
The Year 12 Boys are all up for their last game of Schoolboy footy, so who cares? They are flameproof and only have high stress exams and Schoolies to look forward to before they are thrust into the big wide world.
In the Juniors, for many it is heading towards their last club game (like the Y12 boys in the school system). Some will be departing the Club scene to be absorbed into the Schools opens or 16A football for 2014. Others departing clubland because they are either too old in 2014, or their Club will not be running a team in 2014. This departing cohort's behaviour may be influenced adversely if they haven't made the finals.
Same for Colts, some lads will be coming to the end of their time in Colts and want to go out in a blaze of glory, again exacerbated if they are likely to miss the finals.
Centralised judiciaries would work if the kids propagating or perpetuating these acts would be playing the next year, and therefore subject to the penalties. Many kids simply leave rugby at the end of their time in the School, Juniors or Colts Schemes. For these kids there is no rugby tomorrow to be accountable in.
trenchfoot
Frank Row (1)
how about the riverview V.s Newington brawl! what a spectacle
My son is in the 2's team and i was disgraced as well as scared for his safety. The act of violence by the newington 10 for no apparent reason apart from a genuine tackle by the tackler was a shame to the game which was very tough and physical for both teams
It was very reminiscent of a league game however i feel the correct sanctions have placed on all the players, as i understand the 10 for Newington will never play for them again which is the right way to go about the issue. Definitely puts some shame to his schooling career however im sure hes a nice kid so lets give him a break.
Spieber
Bob Loudon (25)
Hmm - you have an interesting definition of nice. Excerpts from a post on the GPS thread:
"Throughout the course of the game, the number 10 from Newington was incredibly aggressive - he consistently screamed at the opposition in an unnecessarily aggressive way, abused the referees, and even his own team mates when they made errors. His conduct was disgraceful and not what I would expect from a player of his calibre."
"the youngest member of the 2nds, put a good, completely legal, and completely clean hit on the characteristically aggressive number 10 from Newington. This fruitcake who's behaviour through the match and the ensuing chaos he caused, then decided, for no apparent reason, to whack into Xxxx by punching him 3+ times while he was on the ground and most definitely not expecting it."
"the Riverview number X, rushed in and, perhaps exacerbated the situation by attempting to pull the number 10 off his team mate. This is hardly an offensive move, but is rather an extremely passive one designed to minimise damage. His effort was rewarded with multiple punches to the face by the same number 10. "
The school's decision to terminate his AAGPS rugby career seems appropriate. Possibly he needs some anger management counselling, which the school no doubt will provide.
It wasnt the riverview number 10 but rather the number 3
Brian Westlake
Arch Winning (36)
Yes, The parents and the school must be so proud...
wreckless
Bob Loudon (25)
The school is not proud! And, if correct, their sanctions reflect this.
"The school's decision to terminate his AAGPS rugby career seems appropriate. Possibly he needs some anger management counselling, which the school no doubt will provide." ( courtesy of Spieber post #154 )
Can't speak for the parents.
Wreckless,
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Snouts tell me that sanctions are not just limited to the NEW #10.
Several other boys from that team will not be participating in rugby for 4 games (or so).
Not sure whether this was the result of unilateral NEW sanctions, or if the lads presented to an AAGPS Judiciary. Like all schools NEW has its fair share of fools who think that they do not have to conform to the rules and mores of behaviour, and in this instance they appear to have acted rather swiftly and appropriately in this regard, more than I can say about the SJRU judiciary which appears to have conveniently forgotten about the whole Seahorses vs Bulldogs U16 incident.
Several other boys from that team will not be participating in rugby for 4 games (or so).
Not sure whether this was the result of unilateral NEW sanctions, or if the lads presented to an AAGPS Judiciary. Like all schools NEW has its fair share of fools who think that they do not have to conform to the rules and mores of behaviour, and in this instance they appear to have acted rather swiftly and appropriately in this regard, more than I can say about the SJRU judiciary which appears to have conveniently forgotten about the whole Seahorses vs Bulldogs U16 incident.
trenchfoot
Frank Row (1)
yes it was very unfortunate that such a competitive game of rugby was ended by such stupidity. what was he thinking? the No.10 is fair lucky he wasn't criminally prosecuted for such an unprovoked assault
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