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School sporting scholarships/recruitment

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Bob Loudon (25)
Frankly I don't know what the answer is. For mine, the darkest day in schoolboy sport was only a few years ago when Shore had a brain snap and thought they could win HoTR by poaching students from other schools and put together a dream 8, which was subsequently beaten by SGS and it turned into a nightmare. For this and other reasons it is hard to contemplate a prohibition. It's also evident that a scholarship at Shore which is very popular would cost the school a lot more that one at a school without full lists, especially if they can not be used to motivate the other students.
Nice troll - Check your facts before making outrageous accusations. This site may help you http://www.rowingnsw.asn.au/.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Then maybe these Schools should be re aligned so they compete with like minded Schools.
Just because they had similar ideals 50 years ago,is no reason to continue to compete today.
Snobbery and elitism aside.
The ideals of Grammar and Shore compared to Newington, are miles apart.
That is if we comparing actions and not rhetoric.
Although I have heard (from 2 different people), that with the 150th out of the way, Newington won't be continuing with what's happened in the last 4 years or so. I also understand that they now have wating lists for the first time for many years - read into that what you will.
 

aka_the_think

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Okay I am going to be that guy, these scholarships have completely ruined GPS rugby. Anyone involved with Newington or Scots should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

This is no longer a rugby competition - the games aren't won out there on the field, they are won at each state championship when the men with clipboards approach parents.

This is a complete and utter disgrace.

I don't even feel like arguing or providing any points at the moment, I will happily do so in response to any reply anyone wants to make to this, and please I encourage you too, but this is just a joke.

I suggest that Shore, Kings, Riverview, and Joeys all join SGS and High in the 3rds comp, the million dollar teams can fight it out themselves every week.
 

Rob hart

Ted Thorn (20)
Okay I am going to be that guy, these scholarships have completely ruined GPS rugby. Anyone involved with Newington or Scots should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

This is no longer a rugby competition - the games aren't won out there on the field, they are won at each state championship when the men with clipboards approach parents.

This is a complete and utter disgrace.

I don't even feel like arguing or providing any points at the moment, I will happily do so in response to any reply anyone wants to make to this, and please I encourage you too, but this is just a joke.

I suggest that Shore, Kings, Riverview, and Joeys all join SGS and High in the 3rds comp, the million dollar teams can fight it out themselves every week.
Get your facts straight and i challenge you to tell me who in the Scots First 15 is an import?????????? You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!
 

aka_the_think

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Are you honestly asking me to substantiate what is a very widely known fact with evidence that it is not my right to necessarily give out. We all know that plenty of kids, if not the vast majority of the kids, in the Scots 1st XV are on scholarships, the worst argument you could possibly make is to try and deny this - in this particular instance I don't feel that I have the right to go around naming kids, some of which I know as a matter of fact are, and some who I have heard from many sources are - because I value their right to privacy and also don't want to look wrong if I name a particular kid who isn't.
This is in no way a concession that they don't - it is an absolute indisputable fact that the majority of the Scots team, indeed many of the better players, are, and that is an absolute fact.

You are clearly a very stupid individual if you are able to get up Newington for doing exactly what you do. All this demonstrates to me is that when the boot is on the other foot you are willing to bitch and moan about it. Well the boot is on your foot, and I am more than happy to bitch and moan about it, and I am sure the compassion you have surely derived from your exquisite empathetic rationale will make you understand just how reasonable my argument is.

I am under the impression that you are some sort of a troll. Literally no person could be as ignorant, nor as blatantly stupid as you are. If you are a student then I more than understand it given the fact that you evidently go to Scots, but if you are an old boy, or some kind of parent, surely the, albeit limited, exposure you get to the rest of the world (i.e. outside of your own rectum) would have at least somewhat instilled some intelligence into you, but evidently not.

Scots are perhaps worse than Newington in the frequency, and potency of the scholarship they give out. And it isn't just rugby. It is every single activity - waterpolo, cricket, basketball, soccer. In fact, they have compiled a central database for us all here - https://sports.tsc.nsw.edu.au/athletes/current-athletes/ .

This website, the general scholarships, and the superfluous professionalism of the Scots College in regards to Sport (particularly Rugby) and to a greater extent, many other schools, is absolutely horrible. I don't know about you, but personally I am appalled when I see students, kids under the age of 18 whose primary focus is to receive and education - to learn the skills necessary to contribute to society, are distinguished from their peers as "athletes", I am appalled when I see certain individuals separated into this celebrity status through the school's own choosing and appalled when I see so blatantly and unashamedly as Scots have done.

All this does is send to me a very clear message - all Scots care about is winning. They have sent that message not only to their rival GPS schools, but to their students, who have been indoctrinated into a perception of elitism, of ignorance and of superiority as a result of the actions of this school.

It is time to end this propaganda, it is time for Scots to stop prioritising winning and giving celebrity status to its "athletes", it is time for marketing and attempts to increase enrolment numbers to stop.

Take some time to think.
 

Rob hart

Ted Thorn (20)
Are you honestly asking me to substantiate what is a very widely known fact with evidence that it is not my right to necessarily give out. We all know that plenty of kids, if not the vast majority of the kids, in the Scots 1st XV are on scholarships, the worst argument you could possibly make is to try and deny this - in this particular instance I don't feel that I have the right to go around naming kids, some of which I know as a matter of fact are, and some who I have heard from many sources are - because I value their right to privacy and also don't want to look wrong if I name a particular kid who isn't.
This is in no way a concession that they don't - it is an absolute indisputable fact that the majority of the Scots team, indeed many of the better players, are, and that is an absolute fact.

You are clearly a very stupid individual if you are able to get up Newington for doing exactly what you do. All this demonstrates to me is that when the boot is on the other foot you are willing to bitch and moan about it. Well the boot is on your foot, and I am more than happy to bitch and moan about it, and I am sure the compassion you have surely derived from your exquisite empathetic rationale will make you understand just how reasonable my argument is.

I am under the impression that you are some sort of a troll. Literally no person could be as ignorant, nor as blatantly stupid as you are. If you are a student then I more than understand it given the fact that you evidently go to Scots, but if you are an old boy, or some kind of parent, surely the, albeit limited, exposure you get to the rest of the world (i.e. outside of your own rectum) would have at least somewhat instilled some intelligence into you, but evidently not.

Scots are perhaps worse than Newington in the frequency, and potency of the scholarship they give out. And it isn't just rugby. It is every single activity - waterpolo, cricket, basketball, soccer. In fact, they have compiled a central database for us all here - https://sports.tsc.nsw.edu.au/athletes/current-athletes/ .

This website, the general scholarships, and the superfluous professionalism of the Scots College in regards to Sport (particularly Rugby) and to a greater extent, many other schools, is absolutely horrible. I don't know about you, but personally I am appalled when I see students, kids under the age of 18 whose primary focus is to receive and education - to learn the skills necessary to contribute to society, are distinguished from their peers as "athletes", I am appalled when I see certain individuals separated into this celebrity status through the school's own choosing and appalled when I see so blatantly and unashamedly as Scots have done.

All this does is send to me a very clear message - all Scots care about is winning. They have sent that message not only to their rival GPS schools, but to their students, who have been indoctrinated into a perception of elitism, of ignorance and of superiority as a result of the actions of this school.

It is time to end this propaganda, it is time for Scots to stop prioritising winning and giving celebrity status to its "athletes", it is time for marketing and attempts to increase enrolment numbers to stop.

Take some time to think.
You are a joke the Scots first 15 is 100 percent pure don't deviate from the question ........ you cant give me the details because there are none ........ shame on you for suggesting that this fantastic side are anything but......... stop jumping at shadows and start dealing with facts .............
 

capybara

Bob McCowan (2)
Not taking away from the fact that there are scholarships in TSC 1st XV, but i'd love to hear how your scots rugby schol pride stands when you tell me how many scholarships are in the 16A's, how many is it 12,13 or maybe even 14?
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
You are squirming now .... every boy in the TSC 15 started in year 7 the captain and Aus. Sch. boy started in the prep..... stop detracting from a great side ... again put up of shut up ....
Trembling in my boots.
This has all been done before.
Read the thread before you post,
You originally stated this year or last years 1st XV,
My reply was about a boy from last year.
Again it's all been said before,read the thread.
It will tell you how institutionalised cheating has become in your School over a variety of sports,but again it's all there.
 

Rob hart

Ted Thorn (20)
Trembling in my boots.
This has all been done before.
Read the thread before you post,
You originally stated this year or last years 1st XV,
My reply was about a boy from last year.
Again it's all been said before,read the thread.
It will tell you how institutionalised cheating has become in your School over a variety of sports,but again it's all there.
so you now agree that this years firsts are organic???? if so you will need to retract your comments from your previous posts ........ i suggest this will be a bridge too far for you........the boys in the Scots firsts this year deserve all the credit they get they are a champion side........
 

beserker

Herbert Moran (7)
It is time to end this propaganda, it is time for Scots to stop prioritising winning and giving celebrity status to its "athletes", it is time for marketing and attempts to increase enrolment numbers to stop.

Take some time to think.

Settle down mate. All the schools are complicit. It is wrong to blame the schools - We've all see fantastic players at school get into trouble and miraculously turn up on the rugby pitch at another school. Shore is certainly not squeaky clean - poaching from another GPS school is a double whammy. School Rugby also takes from all the millions of hours of hard work that we parents put in at club level, then at 17 it all get's given to the schools. What should realistically happen to the great player who's parents were too slack (busy doing club rugby commitments) to enrol their son?

You are plain wrong to exclude them because you feel that they are a threat. They aren't. Nepotism is worse.

On a more positive note Joeys included their debating teams on this week's rugby programme. See the power of marketing?
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Settle down mate. All the schools are complicit. It is wrong to blame the schools - We've all see fantastic players at school get into trouble and miraculously turn up on the rugby pitch at another school. Shore is certainly not squeaky clean - poaching from another GPS school is a double whammy. School Rugby also takes from all the millions of hours of hard work that we parents put in at club level, then at 17 it all get's given to the schools. What should realistically happen to the great player who's parents were too slack (busy doing club rugby commitments) to enrol their son?

You are plain wrong to exclude them because you feel that they are a threat. They aren't. Nepotism is worse.

On a more positive note Joeys included their debating teams on this week's rugby programme. See the power of marketing?
Those of us who attempt to contribute by guiding players from various schools probably do so because we feel that we can help each kid be the best player he can be and pay no regard to whether his school, our school, the Rebels or the ABs become the ultimate beneficiary of the fully realized player.
The game trumps everything!


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beserker

Herbert Moran (7)
Interestingly only 2 are highlighted as starting in year 7.

No, the interesting thing is that they do hilight it - ie they are saying it is a good thing. But you're assumption that if they didn't start in year 7 means that they are on scholarship is flawed.
 
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