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School sporting scholarships/recruitment

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sidelineview

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FF (Folau Fainga'a): If you go back and check, my comments were not related to Waverley. But funny how so many boys change schools during high school, yet the only ones who are definitely full-fee-paying are the ones who've moved to the school each poster is affiliated with.

He was replying to Come on Ref
 

Freddo Frog

Ward Prentice (10)
FF (Folau Fainga'a): If you go back and check, my comments were not related to Waverley. But funny how so many boys change schools during high school, yet the only ones who are definitely full-fee-paying are the ones who've moved to the school each poster is affiliated with.

He was replying to Come on Ref



I know, but Come on Ref was replying to my comment, so it was all related. Or that's how I read it.
Anyway, I was directing my comment to the assertion about the new Yr 10 superstar at North Parramatta, who is in addition to 2 who arrived in Yr 8 in 2016. That's all.
 
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QH: First of all, I never suggested that anyone at Waverley was or wasn't paying anything, you seem to have concocted that from somewhere else (possibly another poster). You made a completely false assertion that I had cast some sort of slur on the Waverley 1sts, when I was very clearly talking about the comparison between Marcellin and Waverley which another poster had made.

Secondly, you are the one who made the comment that boys at Marcellin payed half the fees that boys at Waverley do, so I'm somewhat confused that you find in irritating that someone would simply point it out to you. It seems fairly clear that one group of people are essentially getting the same academic result for half the fees as another group.

Thirdly, if people choose to pay higher school fees for the sort of sporting and cultural benefits of which you speak, then in a free country they are perfectly entitled to do so, however, I have never questioned this so I am again somewhat confused as to why you seem to want to muddy fairly clear waters by introducing this.

Finally, at least you get points for consistency in that you seem to be in favour of all schools recruiting players (if I have misprepresented you in this I apologise and withdraw). The people who I find really annoying on this thread are those who don't applying their criticism of recruiting consistently across all schools. If certain schools bring in players it is said to be an obvious case of recruiting, but all manner of excuses are offered for other schools - you only have to go back a page or two to see a few;my favourite one being the group of Year 8 boys who had a meeting and all decided to change schools. I think that this one has taken gold in this category.

Thank you for the patronising compliment for being consistent.

I am in favour of schools providing rugby playing students opportunities when their parents are challenged in paying full fees.
It can lead to players pursuing rugby careers instead of RL post school which is obviously good for the game.
and obviously good the individual.
Any school that builds a good reputation in having a strong rugby program can attract more rugby playing students in future which is again good for the game. Big picture.
The more rugby playing student attending traditionally strong rugby schools the better, that is, over soccer or AFL players.
I do object however, to ridiculous situations being created where a talented hulking front row forward receives a music scholarship for playing the triangle purely so the school can win a Premiership.
It has been abused before but I suppose you can expect a bit of that to go on. I think certain boundaries have been set for GPS schools now.

I cant find the post about the Year 8 boys having a meeting and all deciding to change schools. It was mentioned that some kids playing in a Premiership winning junior Randwick rugby team made up predominately of Waverley students, wanted to change schools to join their mates. I hope more from that team have enrolled at Waverley. I forget how many Waverley students were in that U14s team (?) but it was significant and highlighted the good work being done by both school and club and also highlighted the good relationship between the two.

OK, I may have misinterpreted your comment about paying half the fees as being a facetious comment about students not paying full fees. I can see now it was a facetious comment about paying double the fees for similar academic results, but seeing as this is a rugby thread you ignored the obvious benefits of attending a rugby school for rugby players, as opposed to attending a league school. .....

Ditto your second fastidious point. you ignored the rugby benefits.

Didn't you make a facetious comment about how fortunate it was that there were places found for the new rugby playing students ? The inference is obvious.

Anyway, I agree that you're never wrong so you win.
 

WLF

Arch Winning (36)
First of all, I never suggested that anyone at Waverley was or wasn't paying anything, you seem to have concocted that from somewhere else (possibly another poster). You made a completely false assertion that I had cast some sort of slur on the Waverley 1sts, when I was very clearly talking about the comparison between Marcellin and Waverley which another poster had made.

Secondly, you are the one who made the comment that boys at Marcellin payed half the fees that boys at Waverley do, so I'm somewhat confused that you find in irritating that someone would simply point it out to you. It seems fairly clear that one group of people are essentially getting the same academic result for half the fees as another group.

Thirdly, if people choose to pay higher school fees for the sort of sporting and cultural benefits of which you speak, then in a free country they are perfectly entitled to do so, however, I have never questioned this so I am again somewhat confused as to why you seem to want to muddy fairly clear waters by introducing this.

Finally, at least you get points for consistency in that you seem to be in favour of all schools recruiting players (if I have misprepresented you in this I apologise and withdraw). The people who I find really annoying on this thread are those who don't applying their criticism of recruiting consistently across all schools. If certain schools bring in players it is said to be an obvious case of recruiting, but all manner of excuses are offered for other schools - you only have to go back a page or two to see a few; my favourite one being the group of Year 8 boys who had a meeting and all decided to change schools. I think that this one has taken gold in this category.


QH,

I believe you have quoted my post about the year 8 Waverley boys.
No they didn't have a meeting and all agree to change schools, those are your smug words, but the reality was as I stated it.
This is also probably not an isolated case, so please don't say it " has taken gold", I think you have read too much into it, it was an isolated case not an over-arching comment to explain away all new comers.

Maybe some of us have got confused by previous posts, I also don't recall targeting other schools about such things , so I am not 1 of those who "don't apply their criticism of recruiting........ "
 
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sidelineview

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FF (Folau Fainga'a): I know, but Come on Ref was replying to my comment, so it was all related. Or that's how I read it.
Anyway, I was directing my comment to the assertion about the new Yr 10 superstar at North Parramatta, who is in addition to 2 who arrived in Yr 8 in 2016. That's all.

Ok, but WLF was making the point that networking does play a part in enrolments.
It might be a unique case but I already mentioned above how a large number of Waverley kids made up a particular successful Club rugby team, and then other kids from the team wanted to attend the school as well to play schoolboy rugby with their mates.
As I've said before its really good for the game if a school can build a strong reputation as a rugby school and thereby attract more rugby playing students.
 

WLF

Arch Winning (36)
QH: First of all, I never suggested that anyone at Waverley was or wasn't paying anything, you seem to have concocted that from somewhere else (possibly another poster). You made a completely false assertion that I had cast some sort of slur on the Waverley 1sts, when I was very clearly talking about the comparison between Marcellin and Waverley which another poster had made.

Secondly, you are the one who made the comment that boys at Marcellin payed half the fees that boys at Waverley do, so I'm somewhat confused that you find in irritating that someone would simply point it out to you. It seems fairly clear that one group of people are essentially getting the same academic result for half the fees as another group.

Thirdly, if people choose to pay higher school fees for the sort of sporting and cultural benefits of which you speak, then in a free country they are perfectly entitled to do so, however, I have never questioned this so I am again somewhat confused as to why you seem to want to muddy fairly clear waters by introducing this.

Finally, at least you get points for consistency in that you seem to be in favour of all schools recruiting players (if I have misprepresented you in this I apologise and withdraw). The people who I find really annoying on this thread are those who don't applying their criticism of recruiting consistently across all schools. If certain schools bring in players it is said to be an obvious case of recruiting, but all manner of excuses are offered for other schools - you only have to go back a page or two to see a few;my favourite one being the group of Year 8 boys who had a meeting and all decided to change schools. I think that this one has taken gold in this category.

Thank you for the patronising compliment for being consistent.

I am in favour of schools providing rugby playing students opportunities when their parents are challenged in paying full fees.
It can lead to players pursuing rugby careers instead of RL post school which is obviously good for the game.
and obviously good the individual.
Any school that builds a good reputation in having a strong rugby program can attract more rugby playing students in future which is again good for the game. Big picture.
The more rugby playing student attending traditionally strong rugby schools the better, that is, over soccer or AFL players.
I do object however, to ridiculous situations being created where a talented hulking front row forward receives a music scholarship for playing the triangle purely so the school can win a Premiership.
It has been abused before but I suppose you can expect a bit of that to go on. I think certain boundaries have been set for GPS schools now.

I cant find the post about the Year 8 boys having a meeting and all deciding to change schools. It was mentioned that some kids playing in a Premiership winning junior Randwick rugby team made up predominately of Waverley students, wanted to change schools to join their mates. I hope more from that team have enrolled at Waverley. I forget how many Waverley students were in that U14s team (?) but it was significant and highlighted the good work being done by both school and club and also highlighted the good relationship between the two.

OK, I may have misinterpreted your comment about paying half the fees as being a facetious comment about students not paying full fees. I can see now it was a facetious comment about paying double the fees for similar academic results, but seeing as this is a rugby thread you ignored the obvious benefits of attending a rugby school for rugby players, as opposed to attending a league school. ...

Ditto your second fastidious point. you ignored the rugby benefits.

Didn't you make a facetious comment about how fortunate it was that there were places found for the new rugby playing students ? The inference is obvious.

Anyway, I agree that you're never wrong so you win.


The Randwick 14s club team had 18 Waverley boys out of a squad of 23, so you can see how the other boys may have seen the value of going to the school.

Pretty obvious to me, as I am sure you agree.
 
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sidelineview

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WLF The Randwick 14s club team had 18 Waverley boys out of a squad of 23, so you can see how the other boys may have seen the value of going to the school.

Pretty obvious to me, as I am sure you agree.

No, I don't agree ... nah, only joking.

I remember it was a significant number of Waverley kids in that team but I didn't think it was 18. Pretty impressive stuff and speaks volumes for the good work being done by school and club.
Of course the other kids would have been tempted to beg their parents to give up alcohol so they can go the school as well.
How many extras from the team enrolled this year?
I know there are other schools forming strong relationships with a local Club. It's the way to go.
#6790
 

WLF

Arch Winning (36)
WLF The Randwick 14s club team had 18 Waverley boys out of a squad of 23, so you can see how the other boys may have seen the value of going to the school.

Pretty obvious to me, as I am sure you agree.

No, I don't agree . nah, only joking.

I remember it was a significant number of Waverley kids in that team but I didn't think it was 18. Pretty impressive stuff and speaks volumes for the good work being done by school and club.
Of course the other kids would have been tempted to beg their parents to give up alcohol so they can go the school as well.
How many extras from the team enrolled this year?
I know there are other schools forming strong relationships with a local Club. It's the way to go.
#6790


Sideline, I sent you a private post on all this, save boring everyone else , please let me know if you got it.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
At least at Northbridge, they're calling them leadership scholarships and not trying to pretend that the recipients are either a) uniquely intelligent or b) musically talented.

I'll be interested to see how many "leadership scholars" end up as student leaders (i.e. School Captain/ Senior Prefect etc);)

they should make the scholarships retrospective given the quality of leaders they have given the world
 

Brian Westlake

Arch Winning (36)
Aaaaahhhhhh.....
Schoolboy Rugby. The gift that keeps on giving

I miss this like I miss a lobotomy. Defending what you know is untrue and has been going for years and years (or at least 6795 post or 340 pages).
I honestly cant wait until *insert school here* runs out a big lad, whom has come to Sydney to live with his extended family, and everyone else cries foul.
Or when New/scots/kings buy in another lad from the northern beaches.
I honestly wish that this were all done in voice rather than type, as it would have shit all over Blue Hills as a soapie, and I could listen to the diatribe that has been scrawled across these pages, rather than read on the way to work.
Something to work on Mods? Just sayin.
 

Brian Westlake

Arch Winning (36)
Something to work on Mods? serious?
It's a fact of life.
If you don't like it don't read it.

I will type slowly so you understand SLV.

It would be so nice to LISTEN to this load of palaver rather than read it. Like the old radio series “Blue Hills”. I know you’re old enough to have listened to this...
Why do you get soooooo fired up when anybody slights waverly?
It’s a nice school.
It gives great discounts to boys that play Rugby, just like knox do, but the mummies and daddies love to spruik about it as it lowers the lease payment on the Q7 by salary sacrificing the remnants of their minimal net worth.

All I am saying is that, if you chase back over the 340 pages of trite, it would make a wonderful soap opera, with heroes and villains etc. But I’m tending to think myopia might come in to play somewhere,somehow
 

WLF

Arch Winning (36)
I will type slowly so you understand SLV.

It would be so nice to LISTEN to this load of palaver rather than read it. Like the old radio series “Blue Hills”. I know you’re old enough to have listened to this.
Why do you get soooooo fired up when anybody slights waverly?
It’s a nice school.
It gives great discounts to boys that play Rugby, just like knox do, but the mummies and daddies love to spruik about it as it lowers the lease payment on the Q7 by salary sacrificing the remnants of their minimal net worth.

All I am saying is that, if you chase back over the 340 pages of trite, it would make a wonderful soap opera, with heroes and villains etc. But I’m tending to think myopia might come in to play somewhere,somehow


Brian,

Very unfortunate comments. please don't start talking about people's "minimal net worth".

This is completely unnecessary,and completely misguided, trust me, you have no idea,if you want to start comparing the north/west vs the east.

Rather than comment from abroad, tell us what you think about the issues raised here, or stay away.

P.S. if you really want to be taken seriously, learn to spell ie Waverly!
 
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sidelineview

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Brian Westlake:

I will type slowly so you understand SLV.

It would be so nice to LISTEN to this load of palaver rather than read it. Like the old radio series “Blue Hills”. I know you’re old enough to have listened to this.
Why do you get soooooo fired up when anybody slights waverly?
It’s a nice school.
It gives great discounts to boys that play Rugby, just like knox do, but the mummies and daddies love to spruik about it as it lowers the lease payment on the Q7 by salary sacrificing the remnants of their minimal net worth.

All I am saying is that, if you chase back over the 340 pages of trite, it would make a wonderful soap opera, with heroes and villains etc. But I’m tending to think myopia might come in to play somewhere,somehow

Something to work on Mods?? maybe you could have left that line out.

You've missed the point amidst your condescending attitude towards schoolboy rugby and this particular thread.
Besides the gossip and assumptions, some good points were made in this latest discussion and which relates to the big picture that is Australian rugby.
It obviously felt like Groundhog Day to you and obviously annoyed you but .... who cares?
I wont ask you why you get sooooo fired up about this supposed folly.

Just because a rugby player turns up to any school, it doesn't necessarily mean that his parents are receiving financial assistance, does it?
If one or more of the new Waverley players' parents are receiving financial assistance then good luck to them but I don't know if they are. Neither do you; or do you?

No, I'm not aware that Waverley gives ''great discounts'' to rugby players.
I have never heard of any specific rugby player's parents receiving financial assistance, but that doesn't mean it hasn't or doesn't happen.
I have known players whose parents were battlers and could have done with a discount but the fees aren't exactly exorbitant relatively speaking, so its generally been accepted as reasonable costs.
That's one of the reasons parents choose Waverley for their sons: because the fees are reasonable, relative to other private schools.
Maybe you're better informed than me, but you shouldn't start comparing Waverley to Knox in this regard.

Knox fees for Year 11 & 12 - about $31K
Waverley $14K
Marcellin $6K (league school)
Cranbrook & Scots $37K

I don't know why you would want to listen to or read something that annoys you so much.
I've heard about Blue Hills but I don't remember it.
I do remember old ladies used to ring up and complain about the nudity on SBS in its early days, but would keep tuning into the channel anyway.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
Staff member
Brian, as one of the old lags on this site (about the 10th, give or take a member or two) and someone who has a much longer association than you with the school with which you're connected (Old Boy, uncle, OBU committee, parent, etc.), pull your head in. And desist from carrying on with this pointless argument of what school's doing whatever for which boy who may or may not be good at rugby.

If you're unfamiliar with the guiding principles of G&GR, go back and have a squiz at them. Check here: http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/welcome-to-g-gr-history-and-rules.7341/

Gagger, also, has a long association with the school with which you're connected, even longer than me.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
. And desist from carrying on with this pointless argument of what school's doing whatever for which boy who may or may not be good at rugby.

I just went back and had a look at page one of this thread. It seems to me that most of the 341 pages involve exactly this, in fact the thread was set up for this purpose and to remove such discussion from the main schoolboy threads and quarrantine it here.

You may have also noticed that the thread was subtly renamed about 3 years ago and the word "recruiting" added.
 

Kenny Powers

Ron Walden (29)
Scholarship and recruitment hard thing to regulate as there is no definition or formula, as 341 pages attest to.

However you could regulate it to an extent by the various associations, by exclusion from 1st and 2nd grade comps players who are contracted to or have been contracted in the proceeding 12 months to an NRL club. I sure this would be an easy thing regulate as the NRL would record these contracts.

Understand that this will not be a popular opinion with all. However schools place a requirement on students to participate in extra circular activities and I don't understand how that would fit in with having obligations to an NRL Club. Also most schools try to support and give opportunities to students less fortunate, a student who is contracted to an NRL Club and the money in the NRL system is already giving them plenty of opportunities. My final reason for suggesting this is how many of these contracted NRL players in the various private schools have choosen rugby union over rugby league? I know rugby union doesn't have the money to compete with league so you are going to have rely on those who player for the love of the game more than money.

As I said won't be a popular opinion with all.
 
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