School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[sidelineview]

True, pretty similar demographic but Marcellin's fees are about half the cost of Waverleys which are much cheaper than Cranbrooks.
Telling?
A quick bit of research revealed that Marcellin came 145th in State rankings and Waverley came 159th.
Not much to crow about or to be disappointed about for either school if rivalry is an issue.

From parents' point of view of course its not all about rugby, but if a student is a rugby player then wouldn't it better to attend a rugby school rather than a league school?

 

[Norfolk & Chance]

I haven't been on this site for sometime and have no idea what has been going on, but this thread popped up on my email this morning and i nearly choked on my toast. Rugby has bigger problems than scholarships and i cannot believe this is still an issue. If the schools are doing it, so be it. At the end of the day those schools that participate to win premiership will end up playing themselves as there won't be anybody else to play. Super clubs ruined junior club rugby and super schools will ruin what is left of school rugby. Not long after that rugby will not exist in the country as a mainstream sport.
P.S. Yes I know GPS schools have been doing it for years and they still have a competition. However they used to have 8 -12 teams in each age group, now they have 3 - 6, it would appear the focus on imports and 1st, 2nds and maybe 3rds isn't working.

 

[sidelineview]

Its an important and relevant issue to discuss.
Some schools are doing a great job in developing young rugby players. Some schools have established a strong relationship with a local Club where Club coaches will help out with coaching at the school and the students will play for that Club on a Sunday and then go onto play Colts.
A mutually beneficial arrangement and one which strengthens the game.
There are other factors to consider when assessing the drop in the number of rugby players in schools such as the popularity soccer and AFL. If kids start playing either of these games and are still playing when they enter Year 7 they wont play rugby.
If they're league players they'll adjust to rugby.
In the good old days AFL was only played by Mexicans and the thought of it being played in traditonally strong rugby schools would really have made Old Boys choke on their toast.

 

[Come on ref]

An arrival at North Parramatta in Year 10 from St Augustine's. Manly SG Ball/whatever they call the comp rep.

A number 9?

 

[Come on ref]

That's at least the third one in this year group then. They had two outstanding players arrive in Yr 8 in 2016 which boosted their results considerably from the year before.

you will find one of the boys has his 2 brothers also at the school.started at the same time . full paying students

the other boy asked his father to be sent there, After talking to some boys at a rep weekend

 

[WLF]

you will find one of the boys has his 2 brothers also at the school.started at the same time . full paying students

the other boy asked his father to be sent there, After talking to some boys at a rep weekend

Ditto Cor,

There were a few boys who were playing club rugby at Randwick, with a large contingent of Waverley boys.
They won the comp, had a great time and formed strong mateships.

1 of them asked his father if he could go to Waverley, dad said yes, next thing a few more followed.

It happened of their own accord.

This happened last year and they were all in year 8.

 

[Quick Hands]

True, pretty similar demographic but Marcellin's fees are about half the cost of Waverleys which are much cheaper than Cranbrooks.
Telling?
A quick bit of research revealed that Marcellin came 145th in State rankings and Waverley came 159th.
Not much to crow about or to be disappointed about for either school if rivalry is an issue.

From parents' point of view of course its not all about rugby, but if a student is a rugby player then wouldn't it better to attend a rugby school rather than a league school?

It is if you are paying twice the fees.

 

[Quick Hands]

A number 9?

 

[Quick Hands]

Ditto Cor,

There were a few boys who were playing club rugby at Randwick, with a large contingent of Waverley boys.
They won the comp, had a great time and formed strong mateships.

1 of them asked his father if he could go to Waverley, dad said yes, next thing a few more followed.

It happened of their own accord.

This happened last year and they were all in year 8.

How lucky that Waverley had so many vacancies in the year group.

 

[sidelineview]

QH: It is if you are paying twice the fees.

True, if ..... but I don't know if any or how many aren't paying full fees and neither do you?
If you throw a blanket over the entire Opens rugby squad with inferences you might catch one ... who knows?

QH: How lucky that Waverley had so many vacancies in the year group.

The stench of scepticism in the morning .....

 

[Come on ref]

wouldnt be a ex wallabies son??

 

[Quick Hands]

wouldnt be a ex wallabies son??

 

[Quick Hands]

QH: It is if you are paying twice the fees.

True, if ... but I don't know if any or how many aren't paying full fees and neither do you?
If you throw a blanket over the entire Opens rugby squad with inferences you might catch one . who knows?

No we don't, but we do know that the boys at Marcellin pay half the fees as the boys at Waverley for better academic results. (which you seem to acknowledge in your post, so I assume that you're not contesting that )

 

[Inside Shoulder]

if a student is a rugby player then wouldn't it better to attend a rugby school rather than a league school?

I used to think that but now Im not so sure.
The more I see of post school rugby the more I can understand why anyone with talent and a choice plays league.

 

[Come on ref]

about time then lol

 

[Quick Hands]

Lots of excitement over new faces at Stanmore over the last couple of days.

Turns out that the cohort of talented musicians/debaters that seem to turn up every year in year 10 and 11 coincidentally also happen to be very talented rugby players. Again.

At least at Northbridge, they're calling them leadership scholarships and not trying to pretend that the recipients are either a) uniquely intelligent or b) musically talented.

I'll be interested to see how many "leadership scholars" end up as student leaders (i.e. School Captain/ Senior Prefect etc)

 

[sidelineview]

QH: No we don't, but we do know that the boys at Marcellin pay half the fees as the boys at Waverley for better academic results. (which you seem to acknowledge in your post, so I assume that you're not contesting that )

Do you think you might be clutching at straws mate?

Marginally better academic results only (145th compared to 159th spot). As I said, not much to crow about. I don't think any parents would be agonising over the difference.
And they don't get to experience schoolboy rugby playing against GPS and CAS schools with tribes of schoolboys and supporters cheering from the sidelines; and playing on famous old school grounds like Joeys (and Death Valley).
And then they have the chance to have quality rugby coaching and to represent CAS, NSW, Combined States and Aussie Schoolboy teams.

Nah ..... as long the parents can afford the extras in cost, its no contest.

And I'll pre-empt your reply by saying if ..... they are paying the extras, but we've agreed that neither of us know.

 

[sidelineview]

IS: I used to think that but now Im not so sure.
The more I see of post school rugby the more I can understand why anyone with talent and a choice plays league.

That's a sceptical attitude.
I know of at least two schoolboy players from last year who were known as 'leaguies'' who have chosen to pursue a rugby career this year. One from Joeys and one from Waverley.
They obviously enjoyed their schoolboy rugby experience. I'm not sure what their respective rugby Clubs have offered them and what was said to them by the Gen Blue guys but they made their choice.

Some do choose league over rugby but none would swap the unique experience of playing schoolboy rugby in a private school or the enjoyment of higher schoolboy rep honours.

 

[Quick Hands]

QH: No we don't, but we do know that the boys at Marcellin pay half the fees as the boys at Waverley for better academic results. (which you seem to acknowledge in your post, so I assume that you're not contesting that )

Do you think you might be clutching at straws mate?

Marginally better academic results only (145th compared to 159th spot). As I said, not much to crow about. I don't think any parents would be agonising over the difference.
And they don't get to experience schoolboy rugby playing against GPS and CAS schools with tribes of schoolboys and supporters cheering from the sidelines; and playing on famous old school grounds like Joeys (and Death Valley).
And then they have the chance to have quality rugby coaching and to represent CAS, NSW, Combined States and Aussie Schoolboy teams.

Nah ... as long the parents can afford the extras in cost, its no contest.

And I'll pre-empt your reply by saying if ... they are paying the extras, but we've agreed that neither of us know.

First of all, I never suggested that anyone at Waverley was or wasn't paying anything, you seem to have concocted that from somewhere else (possibly another poster). You made a completely false assertion that I had cast some sort of slur on the Waverley 1sts, when I was very clearly talking about the comparison between Marcellin and Waverley which another poster had made.

Secondly, you are the one who made the comment that boys at Marcellin payed half the fees that boys at Waverley do, so I'm somewhat confused that you find in irritating that someone would simply point it out to you. It seems fairly clear that one group of people are essentially getting the same academic result for half the fees as another group.

Thirdly, if people choose to pay higher school fees for the sort of sporting and cultural benefits of which you speak, then in a free country they are perfectly entitled to do so, however, I have never questioned this so I am again somewhat confused as to why you seem to want to muddy fairly clear waters by introducing this.

Finally, at least you get points for consistency in that you seem to be in favour of all schools recruiting players (if I have misprepresented you in this I apologise and withdraw). The people who I find really annoying on this thread are those who don't applying their criticism of recruiting consistently across all schools. If certain schools bring in players it is said to be an obvious case of recruiting, but all manner of excuses are offered for other schools - you only have to go back a page or two to see a few; my favourite one being the group of Year 8 boys who had a meeting and all decided to change schools. I think that this one has taken gold in this category.

 

[Freddo Frog]

Ditto Cor,

There were a few boys who were playing club rugby at Randwick, with a large contingent of Waverley boys.
They won the comp, had a great time and formed strong mateships.

1 of them asked his father if he could go to Waverley, dad said yes, next thing a few more followed.

It happened of their own accord.

This happened last year and they were all in year 8.

If you go back and check, my comments were not related to Waverley. But funny how so many boys change schools during high school, yet the only ones who are definitely full-fee-paying are the ones who've moved to the school each poster is affiliated with.