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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I hope so - he'd be mad to do it and it may even be a crime
School sporting scholarships/recruitment
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I hope so - he'd be mad to do it and it may even be a crime
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David Wilson (68)
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David Wilson (68)
They no longer have the 150th anniversary or small year group excuse. I'll be interested to see if there are any major reversals in form from previous years.
IIRC, last years 15s (16s 2014) were quite good, while their 14s )15s 2014) were poor.
Although if Vindictam is to be believed, they are now recruiting at Year 3. Quite sad that their Head of Co-curricular feels the need to trawl applications for boys with sporting talent. (if this is indeed correct) Any approach instigated by the school or agent of the school is contrary to the code as I understand it.
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David Wilson (68)
Well, I think that information is often gained closer to the source than you suggest, but we don't use names in order to protect the innocent. Remembering of course that the boys and their parents are often the innocent pawns in this sad process.
Problem is, you don't actually take anyone's point. You use the Flat Earth approach to the discussion.
There were irregularities, which suggested a pattern of behaviour, which was confirmed by an admission of wrongdoing, and yet further irregularities of the same nature are more likely to be a strange coincidence.
And unless someone posts what would probably be defamatory information, and taint the student rather than the perpetrator, you won't accept it could be happening.
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David Wilson (68)
Having lived on the northern beaches all my life, I know that people here have an aversion to crossing bridges. For people in the Avalon/Newport/Mona Vale area, crossing Narrabeen Bridge is a big ask. When boys from these areas go to school at Bellevue Hill, it's quite unusual. Even more unusual when their older siblings went to St. Augustine's, and in at least 3 cases the boys who ended up at Bellevue Hill also started Year 7 at St. Aug. (In one boy's case, both of his elder siblings were Vice Captains of the school at St. Aug). Things start to make sense when said boys happen to be quite good at rugby and/or basketball.
Information not obtained from mother's, cousin's best friend's next door neighbour, but quite close to the source.
Information not obtained from mother's, cousin's best friend's next door neighbour, but quite close to the source.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
If you use the parkway you don't have to cross the bridge. Accordingly your account lack authenticity.
How do they go with tunnels?
How do they go with tunnels?
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Having lived on the northern beaches all my life, I know that people here have an aversion to crossing bridges. For people in the Avalon/Newport/Mona Vale area, crossing Narrabeen Bridge is a big ask. When boys from these areas go to school at Bellevue Hill, it's quite unusual. Even more unusual when their older siblings went to St. Augustine's, and in at least 3 cases the boys who ended up at Bellevue Hill also started Year 7 at St. Aug. (In one boy's case, both of his elder siblings were Vice Captains of the school at St. Aug). Things start to make sense when said boys happen to be quite good at rugby and/or basketball.
Information not obtained from mother's, cousin's best friend's next door neighbour, but quite close to the source.
I see Jim Stewart made the Oz U20's. Good on him.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Now what made you think of him?
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Oh, just some key words close to each other like "St Augustines" then "Bellevue Hill".
Jim seems to be a very decent young man with a great rugby future.
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Rocky Elsom (76)
The Wakehurst Parkway route to the city requires passage through Passport and Immigration Control on either the Spit Bridge or the Roseville Bridge.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Although the Scots bus takes the Pittwater Rd via Narrabeen Bridge route.
http://www.tsc.nsw.edu.au/upload/fe...th-shore_scots_upodated-030214.pdf?1399619204
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Season approaching and those scholarship boys stacking on the kilos. I wonder if the solution to *all* our rugby problems including lack of junior numbers through to NSWGPS having a 2 tier season is the lack of weight grading. Why not have an under and over 85kg team in the opens, as opposed to the 10 round and 6 round comps. Of course the elites would hate this but it just might save the game.
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David Codey (61)
When some Schools have 9 grades,you don't need weight divisions.
Any big fellas below the 4's or 5's are relatively harmless.
Any big fellas below the 4's or 5's are relatively harmless.
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spirit of cupertino
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Yep, but when they get down to 6 grades, bring in the weight grading and watch the numbers climb right back again. For too long have half the participants been disenfranchised by desire of too few to say they are in the school firsts/seconds. Bring in weight grading and you spread the love.
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David Wilson (68)
I fear that your optimism about a rugby resurgence may be misplaced.
At 4 of the 8 Sydney GPS schools (TKS, NC, SGS & SHS), soccer is more popular than rugby.
The appearance of scholarshipped behemoths doesn't seem to have increased rugby participation across the AAGPS, if fact the numbers reflect the opposite. Football Australia are probably doing cartwheels.
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I agree, but I would like to posit the idea that weight grading could be a way out of the mire. Scholarships are just another winner take all approach which has failed. So let's do the reverse - increase the chances of playing 1's and incease the participation rate by trialling weight grading for some of the senior years. Imaging if SGS could put up a competetive 1's in <85kg class; imagine clawing back half the soccer guys who'd left because they got clobbered in an unfair tackle; imagine keeping all those players because they can see a path forward; imagine how it will destroy the scholarship mentality.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
The SGS problem is a lack of numbers which is the result of a long term change in demographics and neglect, if not positive dismissal of the legitimacy of all sport.
My view is that SGS is a microcosm of the way society has changed and is the canary in the coal mine for the health of Australian rugby generally.
If you had a <85kg comp all that would happen is that about 3 kids in SGS's 1sts would not get a game at all.
Anyway the present 3rds comp is about a "<85kgs on average" comp.
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Great - then don't call it the 3rds. It's the <85kgs on average 1sts.
It doesn't cost anything to start a welter weight division starting with U15's at some appropriate weight average, to see if it attracts players. Talk to the boys that want to play but don't in the current setup. They will give it a go if they are given a chance.
It doesn't cost anything to start a welter weight division starting with U15's at some appropriate weight average, to see if it attracts players. Talk to the boys that want to play but don't in the current setup. They will give it a go if they are given a chance.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
All the boys at Grammar (and I would bet SBHS) know that they will be playing C or 3rds so they know that it is unlikely they will encounter oversized opponents.
You are not getting the message: you don't work at the ARU by any chance?
THE CULTURAL AND SOCIAL BACKGROUND OF THE BOYS AT THESE SCHOOLS BARELY INCLUDES (playing) SPORT AND DOES NOT INCLUDE (playing or watching) RUGBY UNION.
So goes the rest of Australian society.