Saru & Hoskins show some real Balls and dosh Sanzar!

[PaarlBok]

This one is coming some way and hopefull will push it over the edge rather sooner then later.

Sport24

SANZAR marriage on the rocks

Sydney - The South African Rugby Union are looking at breaking up the SANZAR alliance because their relationship with Australia and New Zealand is so damaged.
The Sunday Times newspaper in Johannesburg on Sunday reported that SARU have already got the ball rolling on what they'll do when the current SANZAR deal runs out in 2015 and are considering ending Super Rugby and the Four Nations.

At an executive council meeting in South Africa last week the first nail in the coffin of SANZAR was hammered, with the decision made to look at splitting away from the NZRU and ARU.

Chairperson of the SARU board Dr Jan Marais confirmed to the Sunday Times that they want to look elsewhere.
"The council gave the instruction that we should look at other possibilities beyond 2015," Marais said.

"We can't do anything about the current agreement because we are locked in until that contract expires.

"However, there is a strong feeling that we should look at possibilities we can explore at the conclusion of the current broadcasting deal."

Relations between SARU and SANZAR partners New Zealand and Australia have been strained for a few years and the relationship was nearly terminated last year when the three countries were trying to negotiate a broadcasting deal to kick in when the current one ends this year.

But since the new deal was signed there has been no improvement in relations, with this season probably being the worst since Sanzar was formed in 1996.

This year the Springboks management have complained throughout the Tri Nations about the way referees were officiating them and the All Blacks.

There was also unrest when SANZAR pushed ahead with a misconduct hearing against Springboks coach Peter de Villiers, who said referees wanted the All Blacks to get winning results to help make next year's World Cup a success.

When Sanzar ordered a the hearing it sent SARU president Oregan Hoskins into such a rage that he called it a "declaration of war".

In yesterday's report Hoskins did appear to be in a more restrained mood, but admitted relations had been "tense".

"Tri Nations rugby is a robust game and we have robust conversations in the boardroom and occasionally knock each other down and have to pick each other up, dust ourselves off and get on with it," Hoskins said.

"But it has been like that since day one.

"The bottom line is that this is the toughest rugby competition in the world and we're fully part of it with our neighbours.

"In that spirit, we'll be having discussions with New Zealand and Australia when they're here and after that we'll get on with ensuring we continue to produce the best rugby competition in the world."

Stuff.co.nz had asked to have an interview with Hoskins this week to allow him the opportunity to explain SARU's concerns, but this request was turned down.

Myself feel the Currie Cup is the heart of our rugby. If they cut out its part we'll be dead in the future. Since this yearly teams addition to Super Rugby its threatening our Currie Cup because we cant play rugby for 12 months. Something is going to be cut and it wont be Super Rugby.

So all and all Saru ditch Sanzar and keep your heart for the future of SA Rugby. The quicker the better.

 

[Scarfman]

Another day, another crisis.

Imagine how good South African rugby could be without all this bullshit.

I'll set my watch for 2014 then start worrying about it.

 

[louie]

I would have little problem with us splitting form SA. I love SA and pride they play with but i'm i don't like getting up at 3am to watching rugby, am sick of seeing aus teams pull shit crowds and all the pissing and moaning about everything that doesn't go their way.

 

[Moses]

Someone get JRFU on the phone, would like to see a few Japanese teams and a PI team in the Super 14, let the Saffas go play with themselves.

 

[DPK]

I can see it now. The Argies jump into the Tri Nations, bring two teams to the Super 15, plus a Pacific Islander team or two and a Japanese side. A-OK.

 

[chief]

Would absolutely love for the split. Saffas want it, we want it. Let it happen. I still want to play them in the Tri-Nations though. Love the Bokke tests. Bring on Japan Rugby!

 

[TOCC]

reckon this all has something to do with the SARU wanting a 6th S14 team, probably trying to play hard ball so the SANZAR will be more willing to allow expansion sooner rather then later.

 

[fatprop]

Each year they do this bullocks. If the Boks left SANZAR just who would they play in July/August? The NH sides won't do long tours of SA to fi.l the void. All the best Boks would just head off to Europe to get decent rugby and a decent pay packet.

 

[cyclopath]

Must have hit 88 in the Delorean again - I seem to be overwhelmed with deja vu...and deja-couldn't-give-a-fark.
What a bunch of petulant crap, from the organisation that brought us Snor-co the Clown.
I'm with Scarfy - we'll hear this a dozen times more before 2015.

 

[Blue]

Would absolutely love for the split. Saffas want it, we want it. Let it happen. I still want to play them in the Tri-Nations though. Love the Bokke tests. Bring on Japan Rugby!

No we don't.

Jeez guys by now I would have though you'd realize that SARU's dummy spitting is negotiation tactics.

Pissy tactics, but what the fuck do you expect from those, urm, clowns.

 

[daz]

It's kind of like having a colleague at work who helps generate some good outcomes and excitement, but is such an admin fuck-up or safety liability that frustration and admiration are dolloped out in equal doses.

At some point when that colleague decides to do something else, or if the frustration starts to outweigh the admiration, doesn't it all become a little bit too hard and secretly you are glad the split is about to occur?

That is SARU. So maybe it's best. Off you go and good luck.

They need us far more than we need them. We have ready to go options. And as much as they say an alliance with the 6 nations is maybe a better fit, I don't think that would be an easy birth at all. And when you come crawling back, you know those TV dollars you used to be on...?

 

[cyclopath]

It's kind of like having a colleague at work who helps generate some good outcomes and excitement, but is such an admin fuck-up or safety liability that frustration and admiration are dolloped out in equal doses.

At some point when that colleague decides to do something else, or if the frustration starts to outweigh the admiration, doesn't it all become a little bit too hard and secretly you are glad the split is about to occur?

That is SARU. So maybe it's best. Off you go and good luck.

They need us far more than we need them. We have ready to go options. And as much as they say an alliance with the 6 nations is maybe a better fit, I don't think that would be an easy birth at all. And when you come crawling back, you know those TV dollars you used to be on...?

I agree.
The Welsh would have a fit if anyone tried to out-whinge them up there.

 

[H...]

The inclusion of the Argies is going to make the 4N even more awesome. They won't bail after they see that (I know I know, they aren't going anywhere anyway).

 

[Blue]

So all and all Saru ditch Sanzar and keep your heart for the future of SA Rugby. The quicker the better.

Paarl sometimes you say funny things but now you've lost it.

So the Currie Cup is more important to the quality of our rugby than the Super 14?

A competition with 8 teams, of which four get plastered most of the time is better than an international competition that tests all our teams week in week out, and toughens them up to learn to travel?

You can't compere the role the two comps play. As much as CC should not die, so we should be preserving our role in Super 15. The quicker you figure out that this is not about Currie Cup vs Super Rugby, the better for your own health. You seriously tell me the Stormers and Bulls can play the level of rugby they showed this year by only playing Currie Cup? You're dreaming, smoking your socks, or both.

Who would you want to play instead? Heineken Cup? Magners League? Only four teams max would ever make it BUT THEY DON'T WANT US AND THE QUALITY OF OUR RUGBY WILL GO TO SHITS.

Saru reckons they can piss into the wind and then come to the negotiation table with a "do what we want or we leave" attitude.

I think it is time for the Kiwis and Aus to tell us righto, piss off. Take your dummy, get in your pram, and fuck off.

We'll sit out in the cold. Play a bit of Currie Cup and the odd test when the North can fit us in and the Tri Nations (with Argentina in our place) can squeeze in a warm up game or two. Our good players will piss of to play overseas because they will look North and to Super Rugby in Australia and go hey "I am not being tested enough." Those great young players that you keep telling us gets developed in the Currie Cup will LEAVE. Why? The next step, which is Super Rugby will be gone. The next step will be overseas, and money id only half the issue.

Same goes for Aus and NZ who will suffer financially if SA leave. That much has been discussed over and over and it is a fact. There is no replacement for Supersport in the equation unless you think Pacific free to air TV is the way to go. Please don't say Japan. It will take years before they will pay enough top make up the numbers.

It's all stupendously daft ("dof" for you Paarl).

 

[H...]

I'm confused. Is the Currie Cup suffering? I watched WP and BB yesterday and the place looked full and the rugby was of a very high standard (panels of fencing above Shute shield and appreciably better than NPC, I thought).

Looks to me like the CC is functioning well as a S14/Test player factory.

 

[PaarlBok]

I'm confused. Is the Currie Cup suffering? I watched WP and BB yesterday and the place looked full and the rugby was of a very high standard (panels of fencing above Shute shield and appreciably better than NPC, I thought).

Looks to me like the CC is functioning well as a S14/Test player factory.

Dankie Boet,

Blou One question, Can the Aussies organise their own provincial rugby competition?

Can SA launch a Varsity Cup (University rugby) successfull, a amateur provincial competition, a U19 provincial competition , a U21 provincial competition successfull?

This competitions is our player factory. If we cut this we're dead meat.

 

[daz]

. Our good players will piss of to play overseas because they will look North and to Super Rugby in Australia and go hey "I am not being tested enough." Those great young players that you keep telling us gets developed in the Currie Cup will LEAVE.

Bad timing! The Rebels have just about filled their roster, and each S15 team can only have 2 marquee/overseas players. How about Namibia or Romania, they might go for a few ex-Bokke players....

Oh, hang on, The Force still need a 10...

 

[cyclopath]

Dankie Boet,

Blou One question, Can the Aussies organise their own provincial rugby competition?

Can SA launch a Varsity Cup (University rugby) successfull, a amateur provincial competition, a U19 provincial competition , a U21 provincial competition successfull?

This competitions is our player factory. If we cut this we're dead meat.

You are missing his point Paarl. The 2 are not mutually exclusive, and if the highest level you have is CC, then your top players would be "under-tested" and would lose out, or leave, is what I think Blue is saying. The NH comps won't substitute for S15 level.
What has Australia's lack of a provincial comp got to do with SARU throwing their toys, yet again?

 

[Scotty]

I can't quite understand why you keep insisting on posting this sort of stuff on an Australian rugby site, PB?

I'm sure you are doing it to get a reaction. Do you actually believe what you are saying, and if you so want to have nothing to do with Nz and Aus rugby, why do you keep visiting an Aus rugby website?

You don't make any sense.

 

[H...]

Dankie Boet,

Blou One question, Can the Aussies organise their own provincial rugby competition?

Can SA launch a Varsity Cup (University rugby) successfull, a amateur provincial competition, a U19 provincial competition , a U21 provincial competition successfull?

This competitions is our player factory. If we cut this we're dead meat.

edit: I think i understand now. No problem.