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SA Conferense and Derbies

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Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Hope to see the Tahs vs Stormers. At least one missing game back.

Tahs vs Highlanders/Brumbies at home. If they drop them they sure dont deserve to be in the business end.

Probably true Paarl, but injuries have decimated our season. Before you say that everyone has injuries our list has first choice loose head prop, reserve loose head prop, first choice tight head prop, reserve hooker, reserve lock, first choice blind side flanker injured this week with first choice 8 and first choice open side flanker just starting this week after both missing most of the season. We should definitely get one win but two will be a tough ask as the Highlanders can still make the semi's with two good wins.

Surprised that you think the Bulls forwards were soft last week. I thought the forwards clash was pretty intense with the Tahs just taking it on points and the result came down to two pieces of back magic running. Before Robinson was injured the Tah scrum was on top, then it fell away. The lineouts were really competitive and the breakdowns were a dogfight. If the Bulls needed a tune-up before the Stormers game they certainly got it. The Stormers on the other hand would have had more competition from a game against their reserves. They will need to watch out that complacency doesn't get to them early on in the game.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Probably true Paarl, but injuries have decimated our season. Before you say that everyone has injuries our list has first choice loose head prop, reserve loose head prop, first choice tight head prop, reserve hooker, reserve lock, first choice blind side flanker injured this week with first choice 8 and first choice open side flanker just starting this week after both missing most of the season. We should definitely get one win but two will be a tough ask as the Highlanders can still make the semi's with two good wins.

Surprised that you think the Bulls forwards were soft last week. I thought the forwards clash was pretty intense with the Tahs just taking it on points and the result came down to two pieces of back magic running. Before Robinson was injured the Tah scrum was on top, then it fell away. The lineouts were really competitive and the breakdowns were a dogfight. If the Bulls needed a tune-up before the Stormers game they certainly got it. The Stormers on the other hand would have had more competition from a game against their reserves. They will need to watch out that complacency doesn't get to them early on in the game.

You should watch the real Brutes team when they played the Sharks a week earlier. That was the Brutes team I know. No way the Stormers will be complacent against their arc rival. Look like Grant may miss this match but hopefull Dewaldt and CJ will be back. Also look like FdP may play.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Bookmarked. :)

Dont have to, FdP and Bakkies out for the Brutes, CJ for the Stormers. Meaning we'll have the Ginga and Malherbe youngsters on the bench. Get my tickets for Newlands today. Seems a looooong time since visiting last and looking forward to this one. Unbelievable the way the North vs South fewer has struck this part of the world.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Dont have to, FdP and Bakkies out for the Brutes, CJ for the Stormers. Meaning we'll have the Ginga and Malherbe youngsters on the bench. Get my tickets for Newlands today. Seems a looooong time since visiting last and looking forward to this one. Unbelievable the way the North vs South fewer has struck this part of the world.

Take some of these Oom.
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PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Sharks vs Lions in Bobbejaansberg the other SA derby. Huge game for the Sharks , Jannie Doep & Alberts doubtfull with the Twin and Diesel not playing. The Lions will start Butch James in 10, Hollenbach in 12 , Taute in 15 & Jantjies o the bench.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Teams:

Stormers:
15 Conrad Jantjes, 14 Gio Aplon, 13, Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Kurt Coleman, 9 Ricky Januarie, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger (captain), 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Rynhardt Elstadt, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Deon Fourie, 1 Wicus Blaauw

Substitutes: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Frans Malherbe, 19 Anton van Zyl, 20 Nick Koster, 21 Dewaldt Duvenage, 22 Juan de Jongh

Bulls:
15 Zane Kirchner; 14 Gerhard van den Heever, 13 Jaco Pretorius, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Dewald Potgieter, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Victor Matfield (captain), 4 Danie Rossouw, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Gary Botha, 1 Dean Greyling

Substitutes: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 Rossouw de Klerk, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Derick Kuun, 20 Dustin Jinka, 21 Francois Brummer, 22 Stephan Dippenaar
 

chasmac

Alex Ross (28)
Teams:

Stormers:
15 Conrad Jantjes, 14 Gio Aplon, 13, Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Kurt Coleman, 9 Ricky Januarie, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger (captain), 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Rynhardt Elstadt, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Deon Fourie, 1 Wicus Blaauw

Substitutes: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Frans Malherbe, 19 Anton van Zyl, 20 Nick Koster, 21 Dewaldt Duvenage, 22 Juan de Jongh

Bulls:
15 Zane Kirchner; 14 Gerhard van den Heever, 13 Jaco Pretorius, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Dewald Potgieter, 6 Deon Stegmann, 5 Victor Matfield (captain), 4 Danie Rossouw, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Gary Botha, 1 Dean Greyling

Substitutes: 16 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17 Rossouw de Klerk, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Derick Kuun, 20 Dustin Jinka, 21 Francois Brummer, 22 Stephan Dippenaar

PB, Whatty, Blue Bull. Can you give an impartial assessment of the winner in this game. I am currently on top of my local tipping comp. My early thoughts were to back the bulls based on recent momentum and no travelling problems to Cape Town. But stormers had a very successful tour and have some momentum as well. The guy who is second in our tipping comp is only 1 point behind and he is a fair tosser so I am grimly determined to keep him out.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
PB, Whatty, Blue Bull. Can you give an impartial assessment of the winner in this game. I am currently on top of my local tipping comp. My early thoughts were to back the bulls based on recent momentum and no travelling problems to Cape Town. But stormers had a very successful tour and have some momentum as well. The guy who is second in our tipping comp is only 1 point behind and he is a fair tosser so I am grimly determined to keep him out.

Golden Rules for Tipping.

Rule nr1: Tip with your head not your heart
Rule nr2: If you can decide the winner, go for the home team.

Hope this help. I am going with my heart boots and all in this one, Stormers by 10+.

Waiting for Oom Lee to help Blou out here. He seem to be a bit lost this week. Blou Bliksem.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Congrats to Blou and His Brutes team on a deserved win on Newlands on saturday. Despite the loss I sure enjoyed the match at a jam pack Newlands. The vibe from the car park to the stadium and back to the car after the match was one hell of an experiense and I sure can vouch Newlands have more Brute supporters then All Blacks supporters. I obvious hate the booing during the match and feel its hell of an unsportmanship shown by the supporters.

Our debt has been paid back to the Brutes (2010 last round B team in the final round) and wish them everything of the best in the rest of their champaign. Would have been a sad day if we knocked out such a great team. The Stormers coaching staff made a few blunders.
1. Hope this was the last time I saw Januarie in a Stormers jerseys. He had me swearing from the losie when he made prymary school errors behind the oven.
2. Dewaldt should have replaced him iso Coleman.
3. Tiaan should start with Fourie from the bench.
4 Our Lineouts was shite.
5 Ginga should started.
6 They should have taken the three points towards the end to get into 7 and that should left some more time to score a try.
Anyway not a train smash for us, we still in the same position or comes win or lose we'll have at least the fourth spot on the log.

Superrugby
A first ever trophy for Stormers


There will doubtless be those who will point to a freak match in 2007 to suggest it might be premature, but the DHL Stormers might as well start dusting off that old trophy cabinet in preparation for the arrival of the franchise’s first ever meaningful silverware.


A trophy is presented to the winner of each of the three conferences in the new Super Rugby format, and with this stage of the competition coming to an end on Saturday, after which the remaining six teams will be playing in the Super Rugby Finals Series, you could say two of the three conferences are now cut and dried.
The Reds made sure of victory in the Australian conference a couple of weeks ago, and while the Stormers always looked poised to do the same, somehow the Sharks and the Bulls just managed to hang in there to take that battle to the final two minutes of the big derby this past weekend between the Stormers and the Bulls.

But when Andries Bekker crashed over for his side’s only try with less than a minute and a half left on the clock, thus bringing his team to within seven, it sealed the South African conference race by making it almost impossible for them to be caught.

Had Bekker not scored that try, Stormers skipper Schalk Burger might well have been left to rue his crazy decisions not to kick for goal when awarded penalties right in front of the posts.

Apart from making it more difficult for his team to end in the top two on the overall log, it would have given the Bulls a chance to overtake them in the race for conference honours if they picked up a full house of five log points against the Sharks and the Stormers were denied any in their last league match against the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein.

As it stands, it is still mathematically possible for the Bulls to catch the Stormers, for a full house would draw them level with the Stormers on the log before the Stormers play the Cheetahs. However, a Bulls win and Stormers loss would mean both teams end with the same number of wins in the season, leaving the winner to be decided by points difference.

And here the Stormers’ advantage is so massive that it renders any chance of the Bulls catching them unrealistic. That advantage at the moment is 84 points, which means that the Stormers are either going to have to lose by a huge score to the Cheetahs or the Bulls are going to have win by nearly 70 against the Sharks.

Of course, the Bulls have won big in final league matches before. In 2005 they smashed the Stormers at Loftus by 61 points, and two years later they scored nearly three figures in chasing down a big win over the Reds.

But with the Sharks still in contention for a Finals Series spot themselves, comparing them to the Reds of 2007 would be a gross inaccuracy.

So you can take it as read – even before going into the final game against the Cheetahs, the Stormers have achieved the first objective for the season, which was winning the local conference.

It means they are guaranteed a home match in the Finals Series, with Saturday just deciding whether they will come back to Newlands the following Saturday or take a week off before returning to their home ground for a semifinal.

And while it shouldn’t take them longer than a split second to find the space in the cabinet, there is a trophy coming their way at last and theirs will be the first name on a cup that could become quite coveted in the future.

South African Conference
Pos Team P W D L B PF PA PD TF TA BPts Pts
1 DHL Stormers 15 11 0 4 2 356 223 133 29 14 6 58
2 Vodacom Bulls 15 10 0 5 2 393 344 49 38 35 5 53
3 Sharks 15 9 1 5 2 381 316 65 39 26 7 53
4 Toyota Cheetahs 15 5 0 10 2 401 393 8 40 45 11 39
5 MTN Lions 16 3 1 12 1 351 477 -126 36 49 7 25

Combined Log
Pos Team P W D L B PF PA PD TF TA BPts Pts
1 Reds 15 12 0 3 2 410 298 112 44 31 6 62
2 DHL Stormers 15 11 0 4 2 356 223 133 29 14 6 58
3 Crusaders 15 10 1 4 2 420 264 156 45 27 7 57
4 Blues 15 9 1 5 2 372 319 53 40 33 10 56
5 Vodacom Bulls 15 10 0 5 2 393 344 49 38 35 5 53
6 Sharks 15 9 1 5 2 381 316 65 39 26 7 53
7 Waratahs 15 9 0 6 2 357 245 112 43 20 8 52
8 Highlanders 15 8 0 7 2 280 310 -30 29 31 5 45
9 Hurricanes 15 5 2 8 2 319 382 -63 32 40 9 41
10 Chiefs 15 6 1 8 2 321 329 -8 32 29 6 40
11 Toyota Cheetahs 15 5 0 10 2 401 393 8 40 45 11 39
12 Western Force 15 4 2 9 2 306 392 -86 23 40 5 33
13 Brumbies 15 4 1 10 2 307 396 -89 31 37 7 33
14 MTN Lions 16 3 1 12 1 351 477 -126 36 49 7 25
15 Melbourne Rebels 15 3 0 12 2 257 543 -286 28 72 3 23
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
Paarl how are the Stormers, Sharks and Bulls shaping up for the finals? I haven't gotten to see much of them recently. I've heard the Bulls look like the darkhorses and the Sharks are struggling a bit
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Thanks Oom.

That was a shitfight if ever there was one.

I thought you lost it at the lineout, collission and your kicking game was poor.

Agree with all your points but surely Aplon should play 15 and Sadie on the wing?

I almost cringed for Deon Fourie. Matfield totally got into his head.

I thought big Vic showed his value and put to rest any questions whether he has it in him for another World Cup. HE sure does from where I was sitting.

M Steyn had his best game of the season.

The trip to Bloemfontein to face the Cheetahs is a scary one and you guys will have to be right on top of your game.

If the Sharks play like they did against the Lions for the first 50 minutes when they meet us in the Bullring they will be gone.

How the Sharks management thought they could win this tournament with that centre combination is beyond me.

John Smit looked better in the last few weeks but he was woefully off the pace again this week. Not good. Not good at all.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Paarl how are the Stormers, Sharks and Bulls shaping up for the finals? I haven't gotten to see much of them recently. I've heard the Bulls look like the darkhorses and the Sharks are struggling a bit
On current form the Brutes sure look scary. In SA they sure have it between the ears to beat any team whereever. The Stormers is just back from tour and the SA team I'll put my money on if one of our teams have to travel. For my money the Sharks are gone. I expect the Stormers to beat the Tin Ears and the Brutes to run away with the Sharks. Simply cant see the Sharks close to them after what the Brutes did to them in Durban.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Thanks Oom.

That was a shitfight if ever there was one.

I thought you lost it at the lineout, collission and your kicking game was poor.

Agree with all your points but surely Aplon should play 15 and Sadie on the wing?

I almost cringed for Deon Fourie. Matfield totally got into his head.

I thought big Vic showed his value and put to rest any questions whether he has it in him for another World Cup. HE sure does from where I was sitting.

M Steyn had his best game of the season.

The trip to Bloemfontein to face the Cheetahs is a scary one and you guys will have to be right on top of your game.

If the Sharks play like they did against the Lions for the first 50 minutes when they meet us in the Bullring they will be gone.

How the Sharks management thought they could win this tournament with that centre combination is beyond me.

John Smit looked better in the last few weeks but he was woefully off the pace again this week. Not good. Not good at all.
The Stormers defense will tie the Tin Ears and frustrate them. We should dominate line out and par on scrums. Regarding the Brute vs Stormer match I thought both teams stick to much to their gameplans. The Stormers try to run from every ball and the Brutes hoist it high. In the end the Brutes look more like the hunger and desperate one with minimum mistakes. Tell you what they sure wont endour a crowd more intimidated like Newlands on saturday. The place felt like a cook pot.
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
Also, how did Bjorn Basson and Pat Lambie get left out of the latest springbok squad? I thought that was strange, especially Lambie
 
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