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S15 Rd 1 - Brumbies v Reds, Friday 13th February

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Mortal Wombat

Allen Oxlade (6)
I know it sounds crazy to be saying this in round 1, but I wonder whether we're seeing some impact from the excess amount of rugby they play these days. Those couple of weeks or solitary month they get off for Christmas might not be enough time to properly recover for the next season.

Specifically a bloke like Horwill, who between the Wallabies and Reds, has played all of his rugby in teams that are significantly understrength in the tight forwards. It must grind you down, to be carrying blokes around you week after week after week(not that he carried anything last night). It's obviously tough on the body, but it must be even tougher on the mind, IMO.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
The same Crusaders who lost at home to the Rebels?


Don't cheapen the Rebels victory like that mate. They bloody earnt it.

In the trial I thought it was clear the Crusaders were keeping their powder dry. What impressed though was the discipline in contact and with ball in hand. We didn't see any of that last night.
 

emuarse

Chilla Wilson (44)
Well worked try Brumbies.

Hunt's inability to adjust his depth and predilection to kick indicates his inability to play the position. The coach is responsible for picking him there, but you can't deny he's been poor.

The ruck work and passive defensive has been woeful from the Reds.

It's not as though RG had much choice in regard to available fly-halves. And the speed of the game would have been mind boggling for KH when compared to the one trial game he played fly-half in.
And I don't think it's a good idea to put JOC (James O'Connor) into the position next week - having not played any rugby since December, its just not on.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Injury free and played well. Although you can't really see it was a searching examination. Brumbies dominated the breakdown and Pocock was heavily involved. Had a few good runs and tackled well too.

And what about those other strings to his bow as well? Pilfered like the Poey of old, and distributed the ball from first receiver on a number of occasions. Put Tevita in a hole on his first touch, and a couple of others later in the game.

If he stays fit, he is a certainty to be brought back into the Wallabies.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
It's not as though RG had much choice in regard to available fly-halves. And the speed of the game would have been mind boggling for KH when compared to the one trial game he played fly-half in.
And I don't think it's a good idea to put JOC (James O'Connor) into the position next week - having not played any rugby since December, its just not on.

doesn't that merely raise the question as to what their/your proposed back up plan for QC (Quade Cooper) was?
 

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
I know it sounds crazy to be saying this in round 1, but I wonder whether we're seeing some impact from the excess amount of rugby they play these days. Those couple of weeks or solitary month they get off for Christmas might not be enough time to properly recover for the next season.

Specifically a bloke like Horwill, who between the Wallabies and Reds, has played all of his rugby in teams that are significantly understrength in the tight forwards. It must grind you down, to be carrying blokes around you week after week after week(not that he carried anything last night). It's obviously tough on the body, but it must be even tougher on the mind, IMO.
I know it sounds crazy to be saying this in round 1, but I wonder whether we're seeing some impact from the excess amount of rugby they play these days. Those couple of weeks or solitary month they get off for Christmas might not be enough time to properly recover for the next season.

Specifically a bloke like Horwill, who between the Wallabies and Reds, has played all of his rugby in teams that are significantly understrength in the tight forwards. It must grind you down, to be carrying blokes around you week after week after week(not that he carried anything last night). It's obviously tough on the body, but it must be even tougher on the mind, IMO.
That might be a reasonable hypothesis if we are in round -10 pr 12,
If he is burnt out in found 1,it's time to retire.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Really I thought the Reds recruited very well. They have ably covered all positions in the side and have some good development players.

They have too many "development" players. Look at last season where they were shuffling their 21yo "B" players into all sorts of configurations, and not having it come off in any way. Guys like Mike Harris left because they got respect elsewhere, and probably because they see what is happening.

If they stick together then in two years that could be a hell of a backline. But there is fuck all experience, and the guys that ARE there - Genia mostly - are failing at the basics.


On paper they have a far better pack than the Tahs or the Rebels.


FAR better? Based on what?

Maybe their tight five IF they're all fit are equal to the Waratahs and slightly better than the Rebels man-for-man, but as a team it requires Horwill to stop being a complete pillock for long periods, and the rest of them to be fit.

But their backrow is built on a speed game that Link implemented but Graham doesn't want to seem to play. And not can he without the Tapuai or Fainga'a midfield in that case. Put the young blokes on the wing, not defending the hard channels.

To be honest, they'd be better off going back to 10-man rugby for a while and concentrating on set piece attack and defence.

Because if they put JOC (James O'Connor) at 10, its going to be their only option. The Lions series last year was able demonstration of his skills in the pivot role.

Otherwise, Genia has to stop the fucking steppy-steppy-run pass bullshit, put the ball in front of the man, and allow the forwards to run half the distance to get to the next ruck. Because sure as shit they're not fit enough to run backwards 5 metres to every one.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
They have too many "development" players. Look at last season where they were shuffling their 21yo "B" players into all sorts of configurations, and not having it come off in any way. Guys like Mike Harris left because they got respect elsewhere, and probably because they see what is happening.

If they stick together then in two years that could be a hell of a backline. But there is fuck all experience, and the guys that ARE there - Genia mostly - are failing at the basics.





FAR better? Based on what?

Maybe their tight five IF they're all fit are equal to the Waratahs and slightly better than the Rebels man-for-man, but as a team it requires Horwill to stop being a complete pillock for long periods, and the rest of them to be fit.

But their backrow is built on a speed game that Link implemented but Graham doesn't want to seem to play. And not can he without the Tapuai or Fainga'a midfield in that case. Put the young blokes on the wing, not defending the hard channels.

To be honest, they'd be better off going back to 10-man rugby for a while and concentrating on set piece attack and defence.

Because if they put JOC (James O'Connor) at 10, its going to be their only option. The Lions series last year was able demonstration of his skills in the pivot role.

Otherwise, Genia has to stop the fucking steppy-steppy-run pass bullshit, put the ball in front of the man, and allow the forwards to run half the distance to get to the next ruck. Because sure as shit they're not fit enough to run backwards 5 metres to every one.


On paper they have a better depth of coverage for all positions AND they actually have three genuine locks unlike the Tahs with 1 who is not a genuine jumper. Lets not forget that the Tahs last year were barely adequate at scrum time whilst the Reds managed to be dominant. The same arguments can be made about the Rebels with regard to depth, except in the backrow.

As for the game plan, I don't think we have seen what the Reds game plan really is because the actual application is so far below the potential the plan is not being executed to any degree. It is just like watching the Wallabies under Deans. However as with last year the Reds biggest issue is their defensive structures. It is so narrow that they are easily outflanked, and when the 13 moves wide early to cover yet another flanking manoeuvre the ball is turned inside for the break. The structure is weak as it was all last year. It isn't helped by a passive line speed.

All this comes back to RG as coach, the talent on paper is there, the group execution is not, and some of that comes down to selections such as Hunt at 10 (which to me mirrors JOC (James O'Connor) at 10 for the Wallabies against the Lions).
 

Bairdy

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Like the look of Rory Arnold.
I'm not saying he could debut for the Wallabies next week, but I reckon if he gets consistent game time with the Brumbies and works on his height in contact, he could be anything.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Like the look of Rory Arnold.
I'm not saying he could debut for the Wallabies next week, but I reckon if he gets consistent game time with the Brumbies and works on his height in contact, he could be anything.


Funny, we lose players and we cry for a bit, but there is always another about to step up.

Arnold and Carter gives the ponies two solid, hard working, effective rock movers
 

Rugbynutter39

Michael Lynagh (62)
What I learnt from this game....Brumbies looked on song and very strong across the ground....and already predicting if play that sort of standard they will be in the finals.

Reds....too many up and coming players or has beens lurking around this team. Not this year. Couple of years though may be the goods.
 

liquor box

Peter Sullivan (51)
The Hunt shoulder was shit. Fainga'a going over the ruck when there was no ruck formed, Horwill off side when the ball was thrown to him, again no ruck formed, reds off feet when under pressure when the brums had gone off their feet first and tackled the player on the ground. I didn't say I thought the Reds were robbed, I just thought it was poorly refereed.



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I thought we were lucky that JJ was not given a red card in a bout the 6th minute when the Brumbies scored the first try. It was an obvious shoulder charge.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
Ok fellas, can't be bothered going trough tread to see who said what, so will just say I am very impressed with Brumbies, bloody good dominant display, and the Reds were bloody poor, even allowing for Hunt not being very good at 10, backline looks similar to last year , no gonads, when things went tough they disappeared. Though Horwill looked like he wanted to be sent off he was throwing so many stupid penalties.
Gotta say I like young Coleman at 15 for the Brumbies, only a small fella but quite prepared to run it up at big boys, the kind of ballsy player that I enjoy watching!
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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On paper they have a better depth of coverage for all positions AND they actually have three genuine locks unlike the Tahs with 1 who is not a genuine jumper. Lets not forget that the Tahs last year were barely adequate at scrum time whilst the Reds managed to be dominant. The same arguments can be made about the Rebels with regard to depth, except in the backrow.

Of the starting packs I would only take Slipper and Simmons to improve the Tahs pack.

In terms of depth I don't really agree either. Beau Robinson is probably a bit better than Pat McCutcheon but it's hardly a big gap.

Who exactly are you talking about?

The Reds set piece was excellent last year but they lost the battle around the park pretty much every week.

The Tahs were generally just adequate at set piece and their physicality was dominant almost every week.
 
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