Ruggamatrix with Eddie Jones

[daz]

I have no doubt EJ (Eddie Jones) knows his onions re: rugby today. I am sure that his analysis (both opposition and team) and tactical nous is of the highest order. Hey, Jake White layered shitloads of praise on ol' Eddie for significantly contributing to the Boks 2007 RWC win. No argument from me.

But please, don't mistake that for knowing how to coach or manage the short, medium and long term interests of an organisation. On those subjects, EJ (Eddie Jones) has zero respect from me.
I also find his constant re-engineering of his history in the press both amusing and down-right piss-poor. How did he suddenly become a guru and spokesman for modern times? When did EJ (Eddie Jones) achieve the right to offer criticism of any coach or administration? Was it after he set the Wallaby brand respect back by years, or was it after he walked away from his self-created and total disaster zone at the Reds?

Sorry lads, but while EJ (Eddie Jones) may be offering the occasional pearl of wisdom, from my point of view he can, in short, fuck off.

As they say; those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. (Or post on a rugby board...!)

End Rant.

 

[fatprop]

Talk about playing the man.

Eddie is/was a good coach and has a very good rugby brain.

That doesn't mean he is perfect or hadn't stayed beyond his use-by date in different roles. He got a side that didn't deserve it to the RWC final, consulted with the Boks to their RWC win and struggled at the Reds.

He may be too cynical at times, but the guy made some good points as he is quite good at exploiting rule changes.

 

[Gnostic]

Talk about playing the man.

Eddie is/was a good coach and has a very good rugby brain.

That doesn't mean he is perfect or hadn't stayed beyond his use-by date in different roles. He got a side that didn't deserve it to the RWC final, consulted with the Boks to their RWC win and struggled at the Reds.

He may be too cynical at times, but the guy made some good points as he is quite good at exploiting rule changes.

Like I said FP, no comment about the man himself, but his coaching record speaks for itself. The interview was interesting but there were no truly great insights given that haven't been said before and aren't obvious to most dedicated Rugby followers.

EJ (Eddie Jones) also has a bit of trouble with mixed messages lately saying in one interview that Giteau was like "flat beer" and hadn't played well for two years. Then in another interview with Connolly and Macqueen wholly supports Giteau to retain the 12 jersey for Oz. Which is it, is he horribly out of form for a long time which implies he should be dropped, or just a blip on the radar? Not comment I would attribute to a leading coach.

 

[Scarfman]

I think a little playing of the man is appropriate in Eddie's case. Obviously he knows his rugby, but sometime he brings a bit too much of himself into the role. When he was at the Reds, I really thought - this guy needs a break from rugby for a bit 'cause he's going mental.

 

[Reddy!]

People quickly forget the horror run of injuries the Wallabies endured throughout 2005, which is why we lost so many games that year and why Eddie Jones was ultimately sacked. As I remember it, it was alot worse at times than the injuries Robbie Deans is having to deal with. The match where AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) made his debut is a good example - eating pies in the stand one minute, then lacing up his boots for a test debut the next. Is there any website that lists the Wallaby team named for each game that has been played?

 

[David]

People quickly forget the horror run of injuries the Wallabies endured throughout 2005, which is why we lost so many games that year and why Eddie Jones was ultimately sacked. As I remember it, it was alot worse at times than the injuries Robbie Deans is having to deal with. The match where AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) made his debut is a good example - eating pies in the stand one minute, then lacing up his boots for a test debut the next. Is there any website that lists the Wallaby team named for each game that has been played?

And have a guess as to who was the cause of these injuries... that's right the big dog himself EJ (Eddie Jones). When he coached the Reds he had the forwards doing mauling up the XXXX hill, no wonder he had so many injuries. Injuries are not an excuse for a loss, and especially when the coach is the one who causes them, whether this same reason why the Wallabies have so many injuries I am not sure. One thing I am sure of is that every player that I have spoken to that has played under EJ (Eddie Jones) absolutely hates him stating that he use to force them to play with injuries using threats like threatening to tear up their contract if they didn't.

 

[Scarfman]

Reddy!, I reckon the Ruggapedia will have that infor when we get it going a bit more. Pretty sure RugbyReg has the info.

 

[fatprop]

People quickly forget the horror run of injuries the Wallabies endured throughout 2005, which is why we lost so many games that year and why Eddie Jones was ultimately sacked. As I remember it, it was alot worse at times than the injuries Robbie Deans is having to deal with. The match where AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) made his debut is a good example - eating pies in the stand one minute, then lacing up his boots for a test debut the next. Is there any website that lists the Wallaby team named for each game that has been played?

http://stats.scrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/index.html
It has everyside

 

[RugbyReg]

People quickly forget the horror run of injuries the Wallabies endured throughout 2005, which is why we lost so many games that year and why Eddie Jones was ultimately sacked. As I remember it, it was alot worse at times than the injuries Robbie Deans is having to deal with. The match where AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) made his debut is a good example - eating pies in the stand one minute, then lacing up his boots for a test debut the next. Is there any website that lists the Wallaby team named for each game that has been played?

I've got that info if scrum doesn't. what are you after specifically?

 

[naza]

And have a guess as to who was the cause of these injuries... that's right the big dog himself EJ (Eddie Jones). When he coached the Reds he had the forwards doing mauling up the XXXX hill, no wonder he had so many injuries. Injuries are not an excuse for a loss, and especially when the coach is the one who causes them, whether this same reason why the Wallabies have so many injuries I am not sure. One thing I am sure of is that every player that I have spoken to that has played under EJ (Eddie Jones) absolutely hates him stating that he use to force them to play with injuries using threats like threatening to tear up their contract if they didn't.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've read on here in quite some time.

And what's your criticism of Eddie as Queensland coach ? That, omigod, wait for it...he forced their pansy arsed softcock forwards to pick and drive and maul. Whatever will Evil Eddie think of next ? The Reds fitness program was an absolute pisstake before Jones came along. Players cramping up all over the shop. They needed the kick up the arse. And they were SO pissweak they burnt out after 2 games ! Now that was comedy.

 

[Reddy!]

I've got that info if scrum doesn't. what are you after specifically?

Just want to see what the worst team fielded was in 2005 when we were bad, and compare it to the worst team Robbie has fielded in a losing game.

 

[daz]

The Reds program was completely destroyed by Eddie.

Fixed.

 

[HG]

Fixed.

Agreed!!!!!!!!

 

[RugbyReg]

Just want to see what the worst team fielded was in 2005 when we were bad, and compare it to the worst team Robbie has fielded in a losing game.

very hard call, but let's go with the injury ravaged side that played NZL in Auckland in 2005

15 Mitchell
14 Rathbone
13 Lote
12 Morgan T
11 Gerrard
10 Rogers
9 Gregan [c]
8 Smith
7 Waugh
6 Rocky
5 Chis
4 Sharpe
3 Baxter
2 Cannon
1 Young

Replacements:
Freier
Dunning
Kanaar (first and only test)
Roe
Whitaker
Lloyd Johansson (first test)
Lachlan Mackay (first and only test).

The last test that year v Wales (Eddie's last test) was:

15 Latho
14 GErrard
13 Lote
12 Morgan T
11 Mitchell
10 Rogers
9 Greegs
8 Smith
7 Waugh
6 Roe
5 MMM
4 Sharpe
3 Fitter
2 Canno
1 Dunning

with Baxter, chis, Dell and Whits off the bench.

 

[David]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've read on here in quite some time.

And what's your criticism of Eddie as Queensland coach ? That, omigod, wait for it...he forced their pansy arsed softcock forwards to pick and drive and maul. Whatever will Evil Eddie think of next ? The Reds fitness program was an absolute pisstake before Jones came along. Players cramping up all over the shop. They needed the kick up the arse. And they were SO pissweak they burnt out after 2 games ! Now that was comedy.

Yeah because overworking your players isn't an issue? Clearly you have no idea the pressure that are put on the body physically from continuous high intensity training. Yet alone immensely idiotic training like that, you need to remember the body breaks down, hence why you can't have a player doing 20x100m runs every day to building their aerobic and anaerobic fitness. I seem to remember that the majority of players were also injured at training and not in games, so what does that say?

Fixed.

+1

 

[naza]

Yeah because overworking your players isn't an issue? Clearly you have no idea the pressure that are put on the body physically from continuous high intensity training. Yet alone immensely idiotic training like that, you need to remember the body breaks down, hence why you can't have a player doing 20x100m runs every day to building their aerobic and anaerobic fitness. I seem to remember that the majority of players were also injured at training and not in games, so what does that say?+1

It says that Queensland rugby was absolute amateur hour. Not much has changed. Eddie Jones had these guys play all of 2 games of high intensity physical footy and they fell to pieces. They couldn't handle it. Because Queenslanders are soft. Eddie got sacked because god forbid, he wanted to drag Queensland rugby kicking and screaming into 21st century professionalism.

Credit to Link for knowing the weak psychological make up of Queenslanders. He has them playing seagull 7s a la softcock rugby. It won't actually win anything significant of course. The softness is still evident - as can be seen by the lard Leroy Houston is still carrying around and the most pathetic softcock weak piss of shit oxygen thieving **** known to man - Ben Daley at loosehead prop. Jesus Christ, this guy is the worst Wallaby I have ever seen. He is FUCKING ATROCIOUS. But hey, Robbie's got a quota system to meet.

 

[HG]

It says that Queensland rugby was absolute amateur hour. Not much has changed. Eddie Jones had these guys play all of 2 games of high intensity physical footy and they fell to pieces. They couldn't handle it. Because Queenslanders are soft. Eddie got sacked because god forbid, he wanted to drag Queensland rugby kicking and screaming into 21st century professionalism.

Credit to Link for knowing the weak psychological make up of Queenslanders. He has them playing seagull 7s a la softcock rugby. It won't actually win anything significant of course. The softness is still evident - as can be seen by the lard Leroy Houston is still carrying around and the most pathetic softcock weak piss of shit oxygen thieving **** known to man - Ben Daley at loosehead prop. Jesus Christ, this guy is the worst Wallaby I have ever seen. He is FUCKING ATROCIOUS. But hey, Robbie's got a quota system to meet.

Where do I start!
1) are you on the cans?
2) Fishing?
3) You can't be that stupid can you?
Ben Daley will be starting prop of the Wallabies in the World Cup.

 

[fatprop]

Where do I start!
1) are you on the cans?
2) Fishing?
3) You can't be that stupid can you?
Ben Daley will be starting prop of the Wallabies in the World Cup.

He has to learn to scrummage first (the guy is fine except for his scrummaging) and arrange Benn Robinson to be run over by a truck first.

 

[RugbyReg]

the reservation I have about Daley is seeing him as a schoolboy and it being blatantly obvious he couldn't scrum them (bad technique). You compare this to reports of the quality of guys like Fat cat and Palmer from a young age and you know Dales has a lot to catch up on. But this is the coaching team (or was it with Foles?) that turned Alexander into a more than capable test THP.

 

[David]

It says that Queensland rugby was absolute amateur hour. Not much has changed. Eddie Jones had these guys play all of 2 games of high intensity physical footy and they fell to pieces. They couldn't handle it. Because Queenslanders are soft. Eddie got sacked because god forbid, he wanted to drag Queensland rugby kicking and screaming into 21st century professionalism.

Credit to Link for knowing the weak psychological make up of Queenslanders. He has them playing seagull 7s a la softcock rugby. It won't actually win anything significant of course. The softness is still evident - as can be seen by the lard Leroy Houston is still carrying around and the most pathetic softcock weak piss of shit oxygen thieving **** known to man - Ben Daley at loosehead prop. Jesus Christ, this guy is the worst Wallaby I have ever seen. He is FUCKING ATROCIOUS. But hey, Robbie's got a quota system to meet.

FFS, stop being so naive. I am not even going to bother arguing with this drivel.