Ruggamatrix with Eddie Jones

[RedsHappy]

It says that Queensland rugby was absolute amateur hour. Not much has changed. Eddie Jones had these guys play all of 2 games of high intensity physical footy and they fell to pieces. They couldn't handle it. Because Queenslanders are soft. Eddie got sacked because god forbid, he wanted to drag Queensland rugby kicking and screaming into 21st century professionalism.

Credit to Link for knowing the weak psychological make up of Queenslanders. He has them playing seagull 7s a la softcock rugby. It won't actually win anything significant of course. The softness is still evident - as can be seen by the lard Leroy Houston is still carrying around and the most pathetic softcock weak piss of shit oxygen thieving **** known to man - Ben Daley at loosehead prop. Jesus Christ, this guy is the worst Wallaby I have ever seen. He is FUCKING ATROCIOUS. But hey, Robbie's got a quota system to meet.

Naza: If the above is an unusual attempt at humour you need to make that clear. I am assuming it is not.

On behalf of Ben Daley, I take great exception to the near-defamatory, vicious, unnecessarily abusive manner in which you have attacked this young player. Whatever your views on Daley - you are entitled, but with some limits that should affect us all.

What IMO you are not entitled to is to use a constructive, public forum - coupled with your own faceless anonymity shielding you from direct responsibility - to attack a person in this manner.

There are young people/players reading this site. There are parents perhaps hoping their kids will play rugby, or play more of it. There are potential new posters whom want to contribute to positive debate about players and the code, without fearing they may become entangled in a torrent of personal anger or hatred.

GAGR and all posters here need to set an example for all these constituents, not create a sense this is a place where civilisation is on a backward march.

To Daley now: you have your views on him. Whatever, he is fine young bloke, who played well for his S14 team, is an excellent ambassador for rugby 'on the street', was blooded into the Wallabies in very tough circumstances, and clearly has some positive attributes and skills.

How you think attacking him in the manner you have helps anybody or anything, or even furthers good debate, is beyond comprehension.

 

[naza]

Naza: If the above is a unusual attempt at humour you need to make that clear. I am assuming it is not.

On behalf of Ben Daley, I take great exception to the near-defamatory, vicious, unnecessarily abusive manner in which you have attacked this young player. Whatever your views on Daley - you are entitled, but with some limits that should affect us all.

Harden up. This is a forum. Debate, opion & passion is healthy. Bagging crap players is on topic. Personal attacks on fellow posters is not on but a little bit of niggle (and stirring of Queenslanders) is plain good fun.

Some of us, ie: real Australians, happen to love brutal honesty. That pretty much defines the Australian personality. Blunt, to the point, a bit rough around the edges. I loathe and despise political correctness. I don't understand people who want to filter the internet and whack a G rating on everything. When did Australians become so precious ?

Now, back to Daley. I think I've mentioned this before & I ought to have included in my earlier post. I have serious concerns for Ben Daley. I honestly think his scrummaging is that poor he could end up crippled if he scrummages in a Tri-Nations game. Or as we saw against Ireland (when that tighthead was prone on the ground for a couple of minutes), his ineptitude could end up hurting someone else. Wallaby selectors picking this bloke is a breach of their duty of care.

 

[fatprop]

Naza: If the above is an unusual attempt at humour you need to make that clear. I am assuming it is not.

On behalf of Ben Daley, I take great exception to the near-defamatory, vicious, unnecessarily abusive manner in which you have attacked this young player. Whatever your views on Daley - you are entitled, but with some limits that should affect us all.

What IMO you are not entitled to is to use a constructive, public forum - coupled with your own faceless anonymity shielding you from direct responsibility - to attack a person in this manner.

There are young people/players reading this site. There are parents perhaps hoping their kids will play rugby, or play more of it. There are potential new posters whom want to contribute to positive debate about players and the code, without fearing they may become entangled in a torrent of personal anger or hatred.

GAGR and all posters here need to set an example for all these constituents, not create a sense this is a place where civilisation is on a backward march.

To Daley now: you have your views on him. Whatever, he is fine young bloke, who played well for his S14 team, is an excellent ambassador for rugby 'on the street', was blooded into the Wallabies in very tough circumstances, and clearly has some positive attributes and skills.

How you think attacking him in the manner you have helps anybody or anything, or even furthers good debate, is beyond comprehension.

It is a rugby forum, not church social, I enjoy Naza's passion. Unless the reader is 5yro and home schooled there is nothing in his post that wouldn't be heard in a school playground.

 

[TOCC]

What is this crap, this sort of chat is more akin to PR, is there really a need to post such dribble, grow up FFS

 

[HG]

Harden up. This is a forum. Debate, opion & passion is healthy. Bagging crap players is on topic. Personal attacks on fellow posters is not on but a little bit of niggle (and stirring of Queenslanders) is plain good fun.

Some of us, ie: real Australians, happen to love brutal honesty. That pretty much defines the Australian personality. Blunt, to the point, a bit rough around the edges. I loathe and despise political correctness. I don't understand people who want to filter the internet and whack a G rating on everything. When did Australians become so precious ?

Now, back to Daley. I think I've mentioned this before & I ought to have included in my earlier post. I have serious concerns for Ben Daley. I honestly think his scrummaging is that poor he could end up crippled if he scrummages in a Tri-Nations game. Or as we saw against Ireland (when that tighthead was prone on the ground for a couple of minutes), his ineptitude could end up hurting someone else. Wallaby selectors picking this bloke is a breach of their duty of care.

Bullshit Naza,
Did you watch any of the Reds this year? He has come a long way and improving with each game he plays.
He is great around the park and will make a handy addition to the Wallabies front row in years to come.
The only scrum you have had you head in is the one at the local bath-house you frequent.
Neck up tosser

 

[DPK]

Bullshit Naza,
Did you watch any of the Reds this year? He has come a long way and improving with each game he plays.
He is great around the park and will make a handy addition to the Wallabies front row in years to come.
The only scrum you have had you head in is the one at the local bath-house you frequent.
Neck up tosser

But not at the moment. I kind of agree with Naza that his style contorts his body in some very dangerous positions.

Props need to be matured like wine.

 

[RugbyReg]

ok lads, settle. As fp says, this is a rugby forum, so the odd swear word will eventuate. And we can't expect everyone to have the same opinions, in fact that'd be pretty damn dull.

So keep the convo on subject (rugby) and cut the personal attacks/comments.

 

[HG]

But not at the moment. I kind of agree with Naza that his style contorts his body in some very dangerous positions.

Props need to be matured like wine.

In a normal year if there is such a thing in Australian Rugby he would have never been picked.
However our front row stocks have been is short supply and has received an early call up.
The kid is a good young fellow and will become a good prop in time.

 

[DPK]

I disagree, HG. I think the old guard should have been picked. Deans should have picked a scrum that would achieve parity and then blood the roughies from the bench.

I really think Deans' use of the bench is probably the worst facet of his coaching. Instead of picking all these newbies in the June Tests to start, he should have given the established players a chance to iron out the creases in their games and to readjust to Test football, and then give the new players decent (decent as in 20 mins +) off the bench to get some experience.

Can anyone really say Ma'afu looks better for the experience? Slipper looks to be the only front rower who's been blooded who appears to be better for the experience IMO.

 

[Scotty]

Credit to Link for knowing the weak psychological make up of Queenslanders. He has them playing seagull 7s a la softcock rugby. It won't actually win anything significant of course. The softness is still evident - as can be seen by the lard Leroy Houston is still carrying around and the most pathetic softcock weak piss of shit oxygen thieving **** known to man - Ben Daley at loosehead prop. Jesus Christ, this guy is the worst Wallaby I have ever seen. He is FUCKING ATROCIOUS. But hey, Robbie's got a quota system to meet.

Naza is officially back. Where have you been? I started to think you lost your passion for a while there?!

Naza, what do you think of Dean Mumm's performances for the Wallabies?

 

[Scotty]

DPK,

To my eye Ma'afu has looked poor, and hasn't looked like improving. Not sure he is likely to be a long term Wallaby (actually pretty sure he won't be). Also not sure about Daley, but I will reserve my judgement on him. The only reason he went ok against the likes of the Bulls is that they didn't try to pressure our scrum and rucks as they were too concerned about covering Genia and Cooper close to the ruck/scrum.

 

[HG]

I disagree, HG. I think the old guard should have been picked. Deans should have picked a scrum that would achieve parity and then blood the roughies from the bench.

I really think Deans' use of the bench is probably the worst facet of his coaching. Instead of picking all these newbies in the June Tests to start, he should have given the established players a chance to iron out the creases in their games and to readjust to Test football, and then give the new players decent (decent as in 20 mins +) off the bench to get some experience.

Can anyone really say Ma'afu looks better for the experience? Slipper looks to be the only front rower who's been blooded who appears to be better for the experience IMO.

I didn't say that I agreed with Deans non-selection of the old guard however doughnut will never be going to the world cup and to be honest I don't see Baxter heading to the NZ either.
It did give Deans an opportunity to look at some of the younger guys and Ma'afu is one that has not improved imho but the other 2 have, however more so Slipper. Had Deans not done this what would have happened next year at world cup time should we loose one or two of our front line props. Slip back to doughnut and Baxter. We needed to blood these blokes this year with plenty of game time under their belts.

 

[daz]

Also not sure about Daley, but I will reserve my judgement on him. The only reason he went ok against the likes of the Bulls is that they didn't try to pressure our scrum and rucks as they were too concerned about covering Genia and Cooper close to the ruck/scrum.

Fair point Scotty, but given the Boks and the Kiwis will still need to cover Genia and Cooper in a Wallaby jumper, with Daley as prop what has changed?

 

[HG]

Fair point Scotty, but given the Boks and the Kiwis will still need to cover Genia and Cooper in a Wallaby jumper, with Daley as prop what has changed?

Nothing has changed. Except that England have a powerful scrum and know how to use it. The Boks scrum is not as powerful nor is the AB's.

 

[daz]

Had Deans not done this what would have happened next year at world cup time should we loose one or two of our front line props. Slip back to doughnut and Baxter. We needed to blood these blokes this year with plenty of game time under their belts.

+1.
Absolutely agree. As much as it hurt me to see us roll-over against the Poms, I do see that it is far better to blood some front row cover in a series of June internationals that no-one will really remember, to ensure we have adequate depth come 2011.

 

[DPK]

+1.
Absolutely agree. As much as it hurt me to see us roll-over against the Poms, I do see that it is far better to blood some front row cover in a series of June internationals that no-one will really remember, to ensure we have adequate depth come 2011.

It's clear that we all agree that the front row needed to be blooded now, and it's good that they have been. The real talking point is the method of blooding used by Deans, and also the players selected.

 

[daz]

The Boks scrum is not as powerful nor is the AB's.

I don't know about you lot, but the front row is not really my biggest concern for the 3N. Let's get worried about the breakdown and the sheer physicality and mongrel that the Boks in particular employ there. It has been discussed previously but I bet my hat we will at least maintain parity in the scrum; the breakdown and the silly handling errors are going to hurt us much more.....

 

[fatprop]

+1.
Absolutely agree. As much as it hurt me to see us roll-over against the Poms, I do see that it is far better to blood some front row cover in a series of June internationals that no-one will really remember, to ensure we have adequate depth come 2011.

But only Slipper has emerged as near viable cover, the other two have been found very wanting. I know they are the best kids we have, but it may have been smarter to stick Daley et al in a Currie Cup team or a New Zealand provincial team and let them learn a bit first and let the "oldies" take the pain/blame whilst building proper depth.

 

[HG]

I don't know about you lot, but the front row is not really my biggest concern for the 3N. Let's get worried about the breakdown and the sheer physicality and mongrel that the Boks in particular employ there. It has been discussed previously but I bet my hat we will at least maintain parity in the scrum; the breakdown and the silly handling errors are going to hurt us much more.....

das you answered your own question about the scrum and what has changed. The Saffas play a more physical game at the contact areas. They contest the scrums but don't see them the same way as say England does. This also applies the the AB's no sense in wasting large amounts of energy when you consider the breakdown more important.

 

[Scotty]

Fair point Scotty, but given the Boks and the Kiwis will still need to cover Genia and Cooper in a Wallaby jumper, with Daley as prop what has changed?

The few times the Bulls attacked the ruck the Reds looked very shaky. You can count on the Boks and AB's counter rucking and attacking the scrum a lot more than the Bulls did against the Reds.