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Ruggamatrix with Eddie Jones

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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Just listened to this weeks show, bloody good.

Eddie talks about the interesting stats from the S14, tries usually come within the first five phases (so set piece moves should return and Aus needs a crash-baller as one centre), the Reds made most of their within 10m of the breakdown.

Bulls scored the most tries and also kicked to most (the trick was they do it well)

Predicts an NZ v Bok RWC final

well worth a listen

http://ruggamatrix.heavensgame.com/main/archives/1170
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
Just listened to this weeks show, bloody good.

Eddie talks about the interesting stats from the S14, tries usually come within the first five phases (so set piece moves should return and Aus needs a crash-baller as one centre), the Reds made most of their within 10m of the breakdown.

Thanks for the link, good listening. Jones certainly knows his footy.

I'm not sure those S14 stats necessarily translate to test rugby. I agree with him about needing a centre who can give us go forward, we're getting outmuscled in midfield.

Ultimately as Eddie points out, we're always going to struggle for quality cattle. Surprised he's pretty much written off the Wallabies for next year's World Cup though.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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What was interesting was how quickly he wrote off the French though - especially considering they did the ABs at home just last year. All because he doesn't rate their line-out.

Fully recommend it for a listen, he's always got something to say, and some strong agendas

Just remembered - he also was totally in love with the NRIs on this episode - wasn't he an opponent at the beginning?
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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He wrote off the sides with lineout issues, his thought process was. RWCs are won through defence, matches in the end games become tighter and that leads to more lineouts. A dominant lineout is needed to get your ball and to put pressure on the there's.
 

Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
Blacks and Boks seem a pretty good bet for the RWC final. Right now they are the best two teams.

Eddie Jones really talks a good game and makes some intersting points. I think the South Africans had it right making him an assistant to Jake White, rather than the head coach.

That point Arsene Wenger made about the coach of a national side not being in control of player development is an interesting one. You could assume he has a very defeatist attitude, but I seem to recall that he was highlighting that fact that the area of coaching that interests him most is player development (and it is an area he has had much success with) - which is not a big part of being a national coach. I am pretty sure that if he was asked, Mr Wenger would agree that no matter what the player resources are, some coaches use them better than others (in football - and BTW all that fucking diving and histrionics really shits me - the best example for Australians would probably be Guus Huddink, who managed to get the most out of limited resources in Australia, and before that South Korea).

In the case of Robbie Deans there have been a couple of arguments put forward in his defence. The first is that he is 'building depth' by playing young players - it would appear that Wenger and Jones don't believe Deans is in a position to be building depth as that is, was, and will be the job for others. The other argument is that the depth isn't there, and it is not his fault the depth isn't there. Right now, there are a lot of injuries to players who would be considered 1st (or even 2nd) choice players (maybe even more than is the case normally) - but that only means the current run of form can be explained (interestingly, the June tests have on average been more sucessful than the average over the whole of his time as head coach). Over his whole time as head coach, has he really had to deal with that many more injuries than anyone else? Maybe the most fatalistic argument in support of Deans is 'we are just plain shit - what can he do?' - a little bit like his own statement relating to only being able to use what he has got. Maybe we are seeing why Deans was so successful with the Crusaders (his ability to develop players that play 'his style'), and also his limitations as a national coach (as he isn't in a position to develop players to play 'his style', he isn't sure what to do). As has been said before, there is a step up required for coaches as well as players at the internatinal level, and probably more pertinantly, the skills required of a national coach are not exactly the same as for club or provincial coach (there is no doubt Deans' coaching and player development skills as shown with the Crusaders were of the highest standard).

I think ]Eddie Jones' points about competing with league and AFL for young athletic players are only partly accurate. Neither of those two codes are intersted in the kind of kid who would go on to play in the rugby front row. The same goes for the small zippy guys, or the monster locks. League these days has a generally very narrow range of 'desirable physiques'. AFL is slightly broader, but neither have the broad range of shapes and sizes found in rugby - and the areas where there is overlap between the codes are not really the areas where rugby is struggling.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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I think the biggest depth builder will be the change from S14 to S15, more games = more players getting game time and of course another side.

All we need then is an academy game program linked to the Aus local games. That would be 8 games to start and we have the start of a program, then build from there.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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He wrote off the sides with lineout issues, his thought process was. RWCs are won through defence, matches in the end games become tighter and that leads to more lineouts. A dominant lineout is needed to get your ball and to put pressure on the there's.

yeah, interesting considering the AB lineout issue, although they kinda touch on that
 

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Simon Poidevin (60)
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Eddie talks about the interesting stats from the S14, tries usually come within the first five phases (so set piece moves should return and Aus needs a crash-baller as one centre), the Reds made most of their within 10m of the breakdown. Bulls scored the most tries and also kicked to most

Eddie's generally right about 69.6% of the time, that's why the Boks got him on board for 28.4% of their matches in 2007.

Steady Eddie's an unashamed media tart who's recently taken to polishing his appalling record as Wallabies coach. I don't countenance his opinion or blatherings one bit, and I'm surprised sensible posters on this site give him airtime.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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I have always liked differing opinion, I find Eddie's analysis generally thought provoking.

You don't have to agree with his opinions, but I don't see any value in ignoring them.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
Steady Eddie's an unashamed media tart who's recently taken to polishing his appalling record as Wallabies coach. I don't countenance his opinion or blatherings one bit, and I'm surprised sensible posters on this site give him airtime.

Wow, what's with the hate ? And isn't Robbie Deans' record worse than Eddie Jones' ?

Eddie's a great rugby brain and has plenty of interesting comments. Its always interesting hearing from Dwyer, Knuckles, Macqueen - the guys who've been in Robbie's hot seat.
 
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daz

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Wow, what's with the hate ? And isn't Robbie Deans' record worse than Eddie Jones' ?

RD isn't finished yet so the percentages are a moot point right now. It is probably also worth me stating that I think of EJ (Eddie Jones) pretty much the same way I think of dogshit on my shoes; the animal that did the job has long since left, but his stinky, disgusting mess has been left behind for many to clean up.

Eddie's a great rugby brain

Is it? Cool. Do you think we can have it removed and put on display somewhere?
 

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
I like what he said about the amount of test rugby being played. There is so much of it now that people just don't care. Combine this with the fact that test matches are now becoming used for young player development; makes you wonder what the point of them are - we don't want to go down the road of soccer international friendlies.

EDIT: Holy smokes, he keeps repeating things that I have been saying on this forum over the past few weeks: that we are missing Mortlock, Heenan and MMM are the most aggressive players we have produced since the goldern era. Stop listening to Eddie, listen to me!
 

MajorlyRagerly

Trevor Allan (34)
the first problem with his analysis, is that I believe if both SA/NZ top their pools, they will meet in the semi! At which point, I will be shitting myself.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
EDIT: Holy smokes, he keeps repeating things that I have been saying on this forum over the past few weeks: that we are missing Mortlock, Heenan and MMM are the most aggressive players we have produced since the goldern era. Stop listening to Eddie, listen to me!

Time to come clean and take the 'R' off your username !

Not sure what Jones has done to earn such ire from some. He did manage to take a pretty mediocre Wallaby side deep into extra time of a RWC Final against the best team England has ever had.
 

HG

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Time to come clean and take the 'R' off your username !

Not sure what Jones has done to earn such ire from some. He did manage to take a pretty mediocre Wallaby side deep into extra time of a RWC Final against the best team England has ever had.

Your full of it Nasa. You lambasted him for ages and then laughed when the Reds employed him>
The Guy is a washed up Hack.
You seem to change you mind like you change you undies. (every 6 months)
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
As much as it pains me to say it of a Randwick man, Eddie's coaching record speaks for itself.

He inherited a team at the top from Macqueen at both the Brumbies and Wallabies. On both occasions the teams did not develop anything new and stagnated under his tutelage. His efforts at the Reds were woeful even considering the injury toll. The interview is interesting (I find any discussion of Rugby interesting) but states the obvious. The fact that he writes off the French is nothing new, he has a 60% chance of being right as even the French couldn't tell you if they will show up to play (consider the recent game in Argentina). Picking SA and NZ as the front runners doesn't take a lot of analysis given they are light years in front of all other contenders.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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You have to put a bullshit filter on him and yes, he did fuck up our national team, largely because he and Reddie! share the same interpersonal skills.

But having coached more than one national and provincial sides, I think he might just know a bit more about the technical side of modern rugby than even the really sensible posters around here!
 
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