Rugby - not set pieces

[Aussie D]

Let's just assume it's Chariots and move on.

Pretty sure Bruce has admitted he was referring to Ryan Cross.

 

[Scarfman]

Nicely spotted - my post was up there for about 15 seconds. About as long as it takes Chariots to do the 40.

 

[Gagger]

Gratuitous and irrelevant detail, Gagger. But as a way of feigning interest in your comment I'll ask the obvious: were you alone?

It wasn't irrelevant to me

 

[Bruce Ross]

It wasn't irrelevant to me

Hopefully it's not on webcam.

 

[Lee Grant]

Commentators

• Miles Harrison [Leicester v Saracens] after 19 year old Tigers' 13. Manu Tuilagi (Dobbie's mate) got the ball from brother 11. Alesana Tuilagi 47 metres out then stepped Sarries 10. Owen Farrell and fended off 8. Ernst Joubert, ran a while then stepped inside to knock over 15. Alex Goode near the goal line and scored a try in the tackle of 4. Steve Borthwick “In this job it doesn't pay to be speechless but I nearly was – that was incredible.”

True - he was like a mini (105kg) Jonah Lomu. Watch this space on the youngest Tuilagi.


Referees

• Mark Lawrence Super Rugby [Round 1??] “You had beautiful advantage: you had possession.“

• Peter Allan, Assistant Referee, Wales v. Ireland, blundered in advising Kaplan that the ball used for a quick lineout was the same one that was kicked out. Shades of a while back now when, IIRR, Ali Williams, then playing for the Crusaders, again IIRR, took the ball out of the ballboy's hand at Subiaco and threw it to a team mate for a quick lineout - and the Crusaders scored. Like Allan, the touchie (Leckie?) did not notice what happened.

If either event had happened in the Top 14 and, unlike last night, the officials had been unsure, they could have asked the TMO to check it. France have a dispensation to do this in their domestic rugby and - you know what - it is not used that often; so it doesn't slow the game down very much at all. You can watch Top14 for a whole season and not notice it has been used; so why not use it elsewhere?

• In the same game Wales 12. Davies got tackled and went to ground not held. He got up with the ball and Jonathan Kaplan pinged him as he did Delve before in a Super game.

• James Jones, Welsh referee, has a good idea to stop scrums hitting on the “En” of “Engage.” His call is: “Crouch, Touch, Pause, Gage”. Not very interesting? Good point.


Trivia

• Ever noticed the different little flags at the bottom of the V on some of the Bath jerseys? I thought it was for the nationality of the player but it's a bit more than that: it signifies that the player has been capped by his national team. I said it was trivia.

• And ditto for one glimpse of Plays of the Week on Foxtel's “Rugby Club”. It's Round 2 and the Highlanders have just scored against the Chiefs; there's a shot of their fans going bananas. Whilst this is going on you can see two blondes sitting down looking sideways at each other and having a good old chat.

Reminded me of when my eldest had his first trial game at age 6. The first time he got the ball he ran around his team and the other team and scored a try. After the game he came up to my wife and said “Mum, Mum – did you see my try?” - “Yes darling, it was lovely,” (pretending that she knew what a try was.)

A filthy lie: she was nattering to one of the other mothers at the time.

 

[Bruce Ross]

Reminded me of when my eldest had his first trial game at age 6. The first time he got the ball he ran around his team and the other team and scored a try. After the game he came up to my wife and said “Mum, Mum – did you see my try?” - “Yes darling, it was lovely,” (pretending that she knew what a try was.)

Possibly to her everlasting regret she has certainly found out by now, living with you, LG.

 

[Lee Grant]

3 kids - what can I say? And me over 40 when I got married. You robbed the cradle Lee, surely.

Guilty as charged.

 

[Nusadan]

[Reminded me of when my eldest had his first trial game at age 6. The first time he got the ball he ran around his team and the other team and scored a try. After the game he came up to my wife and said “Mum, Mum – did you see my try?” - “Yes darling, it was lovely,” (pretending that she knew what a try was.)

A filthy lie: she was nattering to one of the other mothers at the time.

Happened to me personally as a kid...scored a try after a quick tap in near the posts in the u16As v Scots, asked Dad after game, see that? Oh it was you eh? I thought it was a good try...geez...

Also the coach of my 2nd XV team missed my quick throw in (when I was a prop and not the usual thrower) and the lock ran through untouched to score a try, had to be told by the captain after the game it was me...

Story of my life...

 

[dobduff11]

Nusadan you should try the occasional cheeky grubber or chip kick from Hooker, you could become the next Huia Edmonds. Also it's better to have the captain tell the coach what you did than blatantly trying to show off in front of the coach (makes for cringeworthy viewing, a saffer in my school team always does it and he is hated haha).

Watch this space on the youngest Tuilagi

Did i not tell you to watch out for him Lee, the kid is a freak and will hopefully get a shot in the full england team at the RWC. Alex Goode had no chance, my claim to fame is a 50% tackle percentage on Manu, better than some pro players having seen him tear it up this season.

 

[Bullrush]

Nusadan you should try the occasional cheeky grubber or chip kick from Hooker, you could become the next Huia Edmonds. Also it's better to have the captain tell the coach what you did than blatantly trying to show off in front of the coach (makes for cringeworthy viewing, a saffer in my school team always does it and he is hated haha).

Did i not tell you to watch out for him Lee, the kid is a freak and will hopefully get a shot in the full Samoan team at the RWC. Alex Goode had no chance, my claim to fame is a 50% tackle percentage on Manu, better than some pro players having seen him tear it up this season.

Fixed

 

[dobduff11]

Bullrush he has already appeared for the Saxons so he cant rep for Samoa. I'm pretty sure he can't anyway.

Anyway it's a bit hypocritical to say we are poaching talent when NZ have been doing it for years. Manu has been living in Hinckley (leicestershire) since he was 12 and has played for the England schoolboys side. How old was Siti Sivivatu when he moved to NZ? 17.

And btw i'm not defending the selections of Hape, Flutey and henry paul because thats silly selecting them, but Manu's situation is different

 

[Lee Grant]

Did i not tell you to watch out for him Lee

Indeed you did, but seeing him on the wing earlier this season for Leicester had already perked my interest. The midfield is where he belongs though and I'd like to see him get a gig at 12 sometime even if for part of a game already won.

Anyway it's a bit hypocritical to say we are poaching talent when NZ have been doing it for years. Manu has been living in Hinckley (leicestershire) since he was 12 and has played for the England schoolboys side. How old was Siti Sivivatu when he moved to NZ? 17.

And since this is the trivia thread: you are right about Sivi. He did not qualify for NZ otherwise than on residency and the NZRFU tried to get his term started from when he came to NZ on his Wesley College scholarship. The IRB, protective of Islander rugby for a change, ruled that his residency time should start at the end of his school days.

 

[Aussie D]

Also on Sivi, I read that he wanted to play for Fiji in 2002 but their union wouldn't pay for his flight home to participate in the training camp and game that would have locked him away with them for his career. He hadn't made it to the Chiefs at that stage and was playing 2nd Division NPC.

Also Dobduff, most of the islander lads playing for NZ were either born there or came to NZ at a young age. Sivi is an exception, not the rule. England pick more players who come to their shores as adults than the NZers do.

 

[Lee Grant]

Laws

• Titans v Dragons – The excellent Jamie Soward of the Dragons chips for the brilliant Darius Boyd; meantime the whingeing Titans' defender William Zillman tries to take the pill and runs into referee Phil Haines and knocks him to the ground. Boyd runs in for a Mighty Dragons try unopposed. The try stood because it was the defender's responsibility to avoid Haines.

Er Lee, this is a rugby union thread and that was a league game? Correct, but what would have happened to the same situation in a rugby union game? In practice referees sometimes stop play if he gets in the way of a defender, but players should not rely on that generosity.

The law says only that a scrum should be set if the ball or ball runner touches a referee and either side is disadvantaged, but tough luck for defenders if they run into the ref. The law is silent on that matter.

 

[topo]

I reckon a rugby ref would apply the random decision generator and come up with a scrum.

On another point...
Jarrod saffey was picked for oz schools as a prop in 2001. He has subsequently played all his rugby as a back rower.
Lots of players move up to the front row as they age but I can't remember too many moving back. Usually once you stick your head in there it's a life sentence.
Anyone think of any others?

 

[lincoln]

Reminded me of when my eldest had his first trial game at age 6. The first time he got the ball he ran around his team and the other team and scored a try. After the game he came up to my wife and said “Mum, Mum – did you see my try?” - “Yes darling, it was lovely,” (pretending that she knew what a try was.)

A filthy lie: she was nattering to one of the other mothers at the time.

You married the wrong woman Lee - mine was the referee and facilitated our 6 year old's first meat pie.

 

[rugbysmartarse]

You married the wrong woman Lee - mine was the referee and facilitated our 6 year old's first meat pie.

legitimately I assume - your wife's not kaplan is she?

 

[Lee Grant]

Now that raises another question - and I don't care what the answer is provided the person in question is a good referee.

 

[Albert]

Jarrod saffey was picked for oz schools as a prop in 2001. He has subsequently played all his rugby as a back rower.
Lots of players move up to the front row as they age but I can't remember too many moving back. Usually once you stick your head in there it's a life sentence.
Anyone think of any others?

I think Saffy was initially a back-rower. His move to the front row was a Br. Anthony special - he loves mobile, ball-carrying props and hookers. Another Joeys back-row to front-row and back to back-row transition in more recent times has been Dave Hickey. I know Hicks missed out on the highest schoolboy honours, and is still eligible for colts at Uni, but watch this space. He spent two years at hooker for Joeys 1st XV, but he's playing in the loosies again now and killing it. Bruce Ross may have more info, but I'm backing him to see a decent amount of time in the Shute Shield during 2011.

 

[Bruce Ross]

Another Joeys back-row to front-row and back to back-row transition in more recent times has been Dave Hickey. I know Hicks missed out on the highest schoolboy honours, and is still eligible for colts at Uni, but watch this space. He spent two years at hooker for Joeys 1st XV, but he's playing in the loosies again now and killing it. Bruce Ross may have more info, but I'm backing him to see a decent amount of time in the Shute Shield during 2011.

IIRR someone said Hickey played 12 at one time at Joeys. He is trialling in the Grade Firsts and I doubt he'll go back to Colts. He's a great prospect at 7 but if he gets any more aggressive they might have to play him in a muzzle. Jack De Guingand is the same age, similar potential and of similar disposition.