Reds vs Crusaders Super Rugby Rd11 2012

[drewprint]

I didn't watch the game (relied on twitter, this forum and a few moments of a choppy live stream at the death), but one of the things that's being raged about is the lopsided penalty count. Being a staunch Reds fan I'm obviously aggrieved that it was so far against my side, BUT if there's one thing I can't stand it's when people demand a balanced penalty count when their team have obviously been infringing far more often. Refs shouldn't have to keep it even for the sake of balance; if one team are idiots then they should suffer the consequences. So, on that note, tell me; did the Reds deserve to be stung with such a skewed penalty count?

 

[Riptide]

I just was spitting at the TV during the game at some of Lawrences decisions. His penalty on Gill was a joke. I just glanced over at the Silverfern and even they think Lawrence was very poor and a benefit to the Crusaders.

IF Harris kicks his goals, the Reds win this in a massive upset. They neutered the Crusaders attack all night long and pressured them into mistakes. They will be happy with their performance but gutted they didn't get the result I thought they deserved.

 

[twenty seven]

I want to agree with that but you're wrong on Neville. He's a fantastic rugby player with skills.

Skills can get ou so far and yes h has some but his lack of understanding was obvious. I am only saying what I saw.I'm not trying to be criticalI am just saying what I saw, I watch all the Rugby games because I enjoy watching the game no matter who plays.

 

[qwerty51]

Fair enough but if that's all you've seen of him play from last night that's a bit harsh. I've seen him toil in Shute Shield and he's gone very well.

 

[Riptide]

I didn't watch the game (relied on twitter, this forum and a few moments of a choppy live stream at the death), but one of the things that's being raged about is the lopsided penalty count. Being a staunch Reds fan I'm obviously aggrieved that it was so far against my side, BUT if there's one thing I can't stand it's when people demand a balanced penalty count when their team have obviously been infringing far more often. Refs shouldn't have to keep it even for the sake of balance; if one team are idiots then they should suffer the consequences. So, on that note, tell me; did the Reds deserve to be stung with such a skewed penalty count?

Truly.. No. Hate when we whinge about refs and we benefitted enormously from Lawrence's appalling work at the breakdown in the RWC, but he really is a poor ref.

 

[RedsHappy]

I asked before but does anyone know Harris' percentage from when he missed his first one?

How does someone get 23? in a row then be so bad? Must be all confidence for him.

Qwerty, quite right. As posted above, Harris' kicking misses and mistakes were crucial to the Reds' loss: 5 kicking points missed, penalty kick missed touch, restart too short, can't afford this v top team at home, esp Cru. He made similar mistakes and misses last week, and I noted the major risk factor in this area for us then. (But, so typically in Aus rugby, no ones seems to care too much about kicking.)

Harris' accuracy overall this year is now very near QC (Quade Cooper)'s average I'd suggest, maybe a touch worse.

 

[Antony]

Fair bit of ref-whinging going on here, but I really didn't think either side got away with too much.

I think that mccaw obstruction could have been given, but that didn't lead to any points anyway. And ben franks did drop the hand at least once before half-time. The reds also got a lineout-throw when they shouldn't have in late in the second half.

Beyond that I think it was mostly above board. Frankly I was amazed at how the crusaders forwards stayed onside - that's a rare pokemon that one. Led to lots of easy metres for the reds forwards.

 

[twenty seven]

Rugo I have heard that Bryce ignores his 'assisstants' when it suits him. And for those who are choking, this has come from a pretty good source.

 

[Ruggo]

[quote="No4918, post: 355855,
Gill is very, very good. What happens if he gets a call up for the Wobs, does he still go to the U20 WC? He and Pocock could work really well in tandem on national duties.[/quote]

Looking into my crystal ball I see a Gill vs Hooper fan war on the horizon.

 

[Bowside]

I expect the Bryce Lawrence facebook petition to cop a few hundred more likes after this afternoons game.

Congrats to the crusaders on a great grinding win.

Higginbotham deserves to be the one of the first players written down into the starting team come june.

 

[gel]

I didn't watch the game (relied on twitter, this forum and a few moments of a choppy live stream at the death), but one of the things that's being raged about is the lopsided penalty count. Being a staunch Reds fan I'm obviously aggrieved that it was so far against my side, BUT if there's one thing I can't stand it's when people demand a balanced penalty count when their team have obviously been infringing far more often. Refs shouldn't have to keep it even for the sake of balance; if one team are idiots then they should suffer the consequences. So, on that note, tell me; did the Reds deserve to be stung with such a skewed penalty count?

No.

 

[No4918]

Ref whinging? Saders first 6 points came from piss poor calls. After that both sides can complain at various times.

 

[Slim 293]

Gill should go to the Junior World Champs...

He won't be required for the Wallabies with Pocock going to start every possible match, and Hooper available as his backup...

There's no point having him in a Wallaby training camp to the detriment of our junior team...

 

[kiap]

I asked before but does anyone know Harris' percentage from when he missed his first one?

How does someone get 23? in a row then be so bad? Must be all confidence for him.

Lost confidence after the injury. Pre-injury, the metronomic swing of Ben Hogan. Post-injury, a weekend hack.

 

[Forcefield]

Michael Hooper and Liam Gill are hard to separate at the moment. Since only Gill is eligible for the U20s you'd have to have him there and Hooper with the Wallabies. Otherwise Matt Hodgson and Beau Robinson are options. They are more physically developed and there is no need to rush the youngins.

 

[No4918]

Looking into my crystal ball I see a Gill vs Hooper fan war on the horizon.

Having McCaw bought on to combat you because you are dominating the Crusaders loosies at the breakdown = win

 

[tranquility]

I didn't watch the game (relied on twitter, this forum and a few moments of a choppy live stream at the death), but one of the things that's being raged about is the lopsided penalty count. Being a staunch Reds fan I'm obviously aggrieved that it was so far against my side, BUT if there's one thing I can't stand it's when people demand a balanced penalty count when their team have obviously been infringing far more often. Refs shouldn't have to keep it even for the sake of balance; if one team are idiots then they should suffer the consequences. So, on that note, tell me; did the Reds deserve to be stung with such a skewed penalty count?

Mate to be fair, if you didn't watch the game don't discredit what others are saying on the performance of the ref, in a game that was probably watched in minute detail. He was average, and I honestly felt like we were on top for most of the match, barring the blooooody scrum of ours which is a farce. Harris misses the kick from in front? Saders getting a scrum penalty from in front of our goal posts on our feed when the ball is out... Tough loss to swallow.

 

[twenty seven]

Fair enough Qwerty. Maybe another year in the Shute sheild to improve the core/fundamental skills. The mistakes he made were fundmental. He is athletic and strong and with more experience will do well. A second rowers job is huge and takes a long time to learn. It is far more involved than peolple give them credit for.

 

[drewprint]

Mate to be fair, if you didn't watch the game don't discredit what others are saying on the performance of the ref, in a game that was probably watched in minute detail. He was average, and I honestly felt like we were on top for most of the match, barring the blooooody scrum of ours which is a farce. Harris misses the kick from in front? Saders getting a scrum penalty from in front of our goal posts on our feed when the ball is out... Tough loss to swallow.

Umm, not discrediting them at all, hence my question. In the heat of the moment people get carried away; I like to know what they think after a moment of reflection.

 

[twenty seven]

Will the JWC be more beneficial to Gill than a Wallaby camp?Be interesting to see what he would choose.
He had a blinder. Tough Kid with awesome skills.