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Reds v Rebels, Sat May 17 @ 7:40

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ChargerWA

Mark Loane (55)
I'm surprised at your attitude Charger.

If RG was still at the Force, do you think you would be in the finals, let alone fighting for a shot at the title? I don't, and nor do most people.

I would have thought you would be pleased to have a coach that can forge a tight, winning team after 7 years of being in the wilderness. So why be bitter about RG? By him leaving, you are now within spitting distance of real success so he probably did you a favour, even if he didn't mean it.

Enjoy it while you can and recognise the glass is half-full for a change.

Seriously.

I'm not thinking of the Force, I'm actually thinking about what is good for the a Reds.

And I'm certainly not bitter about him leaving the Force. I will direct you to my first post in the RG to leave the Force thread. I was quite excited by the prospect at the time. Nothing has changed, I just don't rate the guy.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/co...ce-and-join-the-reds.10612/page-4#post-348440
 
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tranquility

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I'm going to have to support the Rebels in this one. Nothing personal against the Reds, I just think Richard Graham is a turn coat prick and a loss might help him get what he deserves.

Love it.

Not the sentiment. Just the passion.
 
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Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
S2050, you may recall I took a similarly hopeful line for a Reds win driven by 'pride, passion and despair' vs the Blues. I really thought a 'senior players firing up to revive the long lost 'best of the Reds' ' type recovery was probable, it just had to happen didn't it?

With the awful train wreck of a loss vs the Blues I then realised: the team's coherence, confidence, esprit de corps, capacity to hold or execute a game plan, trust in each other, all this was totally and utterly shot. The team was in fact in true mental state and skills state disarray. The degradation of the 2011 Reds was near total. Yet even worse was to come in 2H vs Cru.

I have to say I came home on Sunday night from Suncorp somehow shattered, if one can ever be made that by being a fan of a team, and I now suppose one can.

Something that once had given my young son and me so much enjoyment, fun, real fascination in its building, and great entertainment and local pride had been reduced to something weak and lost that I could barely recognise in the shadowlands of it all. Something I had come to love, become a real part of, had died and a little corner of my everyday happiness had now gone too. Very sad, as much as shattered.


This is the start of the loss of a rusted on fan. A road too many Tahs fans trod and didn't return.

For me the angst was never about losing, it was the manner of the losses. On far too many occasions it was the same as the Reds (and dare I say the Brumbies last weekend even though they won). It was how they played the game. It was the predictability of the loss, the poor execution of base skills and the lack of responsibility from those actually in a position to make changes. In the case of the Tahs it was the fact that many of us knew that the culture was crook and there was little hope of a resurrection and in the end we hoped for a brief bask in the sunshine game to game.

I revelled in the Qld side from 2009 to 2011 for how they played the game. Yes even 2009, because winning whilst great isn't everything to me. I still believe if you play the game well and execute the skills to a high level you will always be competitive and play great Rugby. That is all I want and what I think most fans want.
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
S2050, you may recall I took a similarly hopeful line for a Reds win driven by 'pride, passion and despair' vs the Blues. I really thought a 'senior players firing up to revive the long lost 'best of the Reds' ' type recovery was probable, it just had to happen didn't it?

With the awful train wreck of a loss vs the Blues I then realised: the team's coherence, confidence, esprit de corps, capacity to hold or execute a game plan, trust in each other, all this was totally and utterly shot. The team was in fact in true mental state and skills state disarray. The degradation of the 2011 Reds was near total. Yet even worse was to come in 2H vs Cru.

I have to say I came home on Sunday night from Suncorp somehow shattered, if one can ever be made that by being a fan of a team, and I now suppose one can.

Something that once had given my young son and me so much enjoyment, fun, real fascination in its building, and great entertainment and local pride had been reduced to something weak and lost that I could barely recognise in the shadowlands of it all. Something I had come to love, become a real part of, had died and a little corner of my everyday happiness had now gone too. Very sad, as much as shattered.


RH,

Not every team can make the finals every year. Some teams like the Force and the Rebels have never made the finals once. The Kings got obliterated after one season. The Lions haven't tasted success since the "amateur" days of Super 10. The Highlanders got to the final once, I think, and then lost. And I don't need to tell you that my beloved Tahs have lost two finals and not made the finals too many times to count.

Every team has years like the Reds this year. Sometimes its injuries - the Stormers this year have more than half their team in rehab. Sometimes its coaches - think about teams that have had John Mitchell direct them. Sometimes its just great players who hung on too long (Brumbies).

Its a salutary lesson that success is transitory, but life goes on. Even the Crusaders don't win every year - last time was 2008. Your happiness will return; who knows how long to wait.
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
The match up I am looking forward to is Jones/Neville v Simmons/Horwill. Hope Link is watching it closely to, should have some imput into Wallabies squad selection.

Glad Smith is back in the front row.

Really strange feeling reading everything ahead of this match, normally it's the Rebels under fire so seems strange that all the negative is about the Reds.

If the Rebels kick I hope they don't awaken the Reds counter attack.
 

Brumby Jack

Steve Williams (59)
Reds

1. Ben Daley
2.
James Hanson
3.
Greg Holmes
4.
Rob Simmons
5.
James Horwill (C)
6.
Curtis Browning
7.
Beau Robinson
8.
Jake Schatz
9.
Will Genia (VC)
10.
Quade Cooper
11.
Jamie-Jerry Taulagi
12.
Anthony Fainga’a
13.
Ben Tapuai
14.
Dom Shipperley
15.
Mike Harris

16. Saia Fainga’a
17.
Albert Anae
18.
Jono Owen
19.
Ed O’Donoghue
20.
Dave McDuling
21.
Nick Frisby
22.
Ben Lucas
23.
Rod Davies
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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is that no changes to the team that gone done like a dinner last weekend? I guess though, through injuries and suspension, we probably don't have too many options.

We can't just keep swapping and changing JJ and Rocket. Would probably prefer JJ, and just hope we've worked on our defensive alignment (and re-alignment)
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
is that no changes to the team that gone done like a dinner last weekend? I guess though, through injuries and suspension, we probably don't have too many options.

We can't just keep swapping and changing JJ and Rocket. Would probably prefer JJ, and just hope we've worked on our defensive alignment (and re-alignment)

Before the vs Cru game RG stated clearly that working on all matters defence pre that game was a major priority after the multiple defensive debacles in NZ.

Then the Cru put on 57 points - routinely, our defence was appalling. Can there be a better, more severe marker of just how serious are the mental, skills and motivational issues within this current Reds team?
 

swingpass

Peter Sullivan (51)
according to rebels website Lahiff, Roberts, Aholelei, Timani, Jeffries and Rokobaro all playing Dewar Shield this weekend.

so by deduction reserve backs will be Meehan, Veainu and Josh Holmes ! Holmes to cover 10 and ?12
Toby Smith in 23 at least, Fualau reserve hooker, otherwise i suspect an unchanged line up
 
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