Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
No worse a back-up than Hegarty
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No worse a back-up than Hegarty
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Firstly i love what Quade did in his playing time, but Quade has publicly fallen out with 3 of his coaches(Thorn, Deans, Cheika) and was allegedly described by teammates as cancerous after his comments in 2019.
As an onfield player, i agree he is no worse then Hegarty, but even if those things aren’t true do the Reds really need Quade in the team noting the culture they've been working on. They seem to be going pretty well without the potential disruption he might cause.
As an onfield player, i agree he is no worse then Hegarty, but even if those things aren’t true do the Reds really need Quade in the team noting the culture they've been working on. They seem to be going pretty well without the potential disruption he might cause.
liquor box
Peter Sullivan (51)
Is there any reason to believe he has not matured and changed in the way JOC (James O'Connor) is said to have changed since his younger days?
If there is such a thing as a passing skills coach then he would be ideal
Ignoto
Peter Sullivan (51)
Deans reverting playstyle between winning the Tri-Nations and the RWC was more cancerous to Australian Rugby than Quades actions. Convince me otherwise, but we had a coach who played at 35 year old number 8 on the Wing during a RWC game.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
I’m not starting a debate about what Deans did.. Quade he also had fallouts with Cheika and Thorn.
End of the day, culture is a hard thing to build and Reds have worked hard on, they also seem to finally have a good mix of experience and youth, is it really worth bringing in someone like Quade?
Is he even available?
your judging Deans on the basis that he played Radike Samo, one of the most talented backrowers to play for the Wallabies, on the wing v Russia? Wow
Also, Samo had experience on the wing. Remember him playing on the wing for Canberra Vikings when they played in QPR.
Quade is never going to play for the Reds while Thorn is there. Reds aren't going to get rid of Thorn any time soon so not worth worrying about Quade's future in QLD.
Quade is never going to play for the Reds while Thorn is there. Reds aren't going to get rid of Thorn any time soon so not worth worrying about Quade's future in QLD.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Makes you wonder what Rennie is looking to get out of him. Doesnt seem like the mentor type.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
I think in the Wallabies it’s better managed, there’s plenty of senior guys like White, AAA, and Hooper and it’s only a short tour. Reds would be a bit different, plenty of junior guys in the squad and a longer season together.
I think he still has a fair bit to offer, and would love a another redemption story, I just don’t think its really worth the cost/risk for the reds.
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Peter Johnson (47)
quade getting about a million a year doing a short season in japan....pretty sure he wouldn't WANT to come back.
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Darby Loudon (17)
Given Rennie has been quoted as saying they took a larger squad to NZ anticipating lockdown in NSW/VIC and travel restrictions, the late inclusion players who were based in QLD (Cooper/Paia'aua) are likely to be primarily for opposed training purposes (my opinion).
In some respects its not a bad idea to take Quade if you want to (try to) replicate an opposition backline which might have Richie Mo'unga in it. You certainly wouldnt get similar replication with Hodge or To'omua opposing.
PhilClinton
Mark Loane (55)
Agree with everything you've said, but at the same time, you've got to consider that JOC (James O'Connor) was probably coming from a much darker place in terms of his attitude and perception as a teammate and role model than Quade was. And now he's the Reds captain.
Adam84
Rod McCall (65)
Agree, and i will admit that i also objected to JOC (James O'Connor) coming back to the Reds also
Ignoto
Peter Sullivan (51)
Remember Radike had to play on the wing because Drew was undercooked from and S&C perspective and did his hammy (or was he being rested for the next game?).
So I see that as a failure to plan appropriately and that Drew blowing his hammy was a foreseeable risk that did not pay off at all in terms of reward.
Risks are taken in every RWC squad because you never go into a tournament with the entirety of your playing group being 100% fit and healthy. You take some risks on the basis that the upside a player offers is worth the risk of carrying them in the squad when they are recovering from injury etc.).
You are wrong on the Drew Mitchell situation. He did come into the tournament undercooked and did his hamstring in this match (his third match of the RWC) and was then replaced but he wasn't the reason Samo played on the wing.
Radike Samo started this match on the wing because Digby Ioane had a broken thumb from the first match against Italy and rather than drop him from the squad and replace him, Deans elected to keep Ioane in the squad for later in the tournament and make do with the players he had. If you want to criticise Deans for picking Samo on the wing it should be because of Ioane.
Deans elected to rest Kurtley Beale, Pat McCabe and Anthony Fainga'a from his first choice 22 backs for this match and play Samo on the wing (with Mitchell the other wing).
Ioane came back to play the quarter final, semi final and 3rd vs 4th playoff.
Jimmy_Crouch
Peter Johnson (47)
Probs could have played the third string halfback who came from the sevens program rather than your starting 8
Jimmy_Crouch
Peter Johnson (47)
Check the first page of the thread
Phipps was one of our two back reserves and ended up on the wing after Mitchell came off injured (we played all three halfbacks in this game).
In the previous game against the USA we had a couple of injuries in the backs (I think Horne may have broken his cheekbone and McCabe got concussed from memory) so we were very light on for options.
All I pointing out was that Samo played a game on the wing not because we brought an undercooked player into a RWC but because we didn't replace a key player who suffered an injury in our opening game in the hopes he would be healthy later in the tournament (which he was).
Normally the criticism of Deans around the 2011 RWC selection is focused on not selecting Hodgson as a backup to Pocock which meant we played McCalman at 7 in a key game against Ireland.
Jimmy_Crouch
Peter Johnson (47)
We took three scrum halves to the tournament and the third stringers only involvement was 30mins as an injury replacement on the wing against Russia after the game was in the bag. Surely starting him on the wing was a smarter play than risking your main game starting number 8. I just can't see the logic. FYI you are right Genia was on the bench but he didn't actually get on.