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Bill Watson (15)
Regardless of what anyone hear says about the administration, the coaches, the players etc in the end it is all moot. We can discuss all aspects of the problems and submit various ideas for fixes but in reality, who listens?

This isn't something that's only to do with the Reds, it happens for every sports team anywhere. There is just no real communication of whats really going on, mainly because they don't want to be hounded by the media over their plans I expect. But it's a real shame that in times like these the members can really only see themselves as a source of revenue and anything they have to say really gets heard by no one (other then other members who inhabit the same space - forums, blogs, the pub etc). Real damage can be done to the club if they are perceived to be inactive after the members hear the same old drivel that's always pushed out in times of crisis "We have complete faith in <insert name here>", "We good plans in place for successful <insert subject here>" etc. Many members won't renew their membership unless they see a change, something positive, something to give them hope things are on the improve. And the club just doesn't want to give any of this information out until it's all done and dusted.

I really wish sporting clubs would look to ways and means to communicate with members. There are ways this can be done without having to actually talk to each one. True one can always email the club and express one's concerns, you also might get the odd person get into the ear of someone after a game, but who really reads that email or takes notcie of one person's views, and it will all go nowhere unless an awful lot of people email/say the same thing. Clubs really need an avenue to promote interaction with members and fans on a large scale, but very few do such a thing. The only large scale feedback they see and take notice of is how many show up to the home game and how many renew their membership. problem with that is, by the time it badly drops off, it's all too late. it is possible for clubs to interact, if they really wanted to.
 

BarneySF

Bob Loudon (25)
Regardless of what anyone hear says about the administration, the coaches, the players etc in the end it is all moot. We can discuss all aspects of the problems and submit various ideas for fixes but in reality, who listens?

This isn't something that's only to do with the Reds, it happens for every sports team anywhere. There is just no real communication of whats really going on, mainly because they don't want to be hounded by the media over their plans I expect. But it's a real shame that in times like these the members can really only see themselves as a source of revenue and anything they have to say really gets heard by no one (other then other members who inhabit the same space - forums, blogs, the pub etc). Real damage can be done to the club if they are perceived to be inactive after the members hear the same old drivel that's always pushed out in times of crisis "We have complete faith in <insert name here>", "We good plans in place for successful <insert subject here>" etc. Many members won't renew their membership unless they see a change, something positive, something to give them hope things are on the improve. And the club just doesn't want to give any of this information out until it's all done and dusted.

I really wish sporting clubs would look to ways and means to communicate with members. There are ways this can be done without having to actually talk to each one. True one can always email the club and express one's concerns, you also might get the odd person get into the ear of someone after a game, but who really reads that email or takes notcie of one person's views, and it will all go nowhere unless an awful lot of people email/say the same thing. Clubs really need an avenue to promote interaction with members and fans on a large scale, but very few do such a thing. The only large scale feedback they see and take notice of is how many show up to the home game and how many renew their membership. problem with that is, by the time it badly drops off, it's all too late. it is possible for clubs to interact, if they really wanted to.


Just not (yet) one of those Hickey "Meet with the fans" sessions!
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
We "trust" the Board to make the right decisions on behalf of the supporters - you cannot inform the supporters of everything - decisions need to be made and often quite quickly - its about being proactive as opposed to reactive.

However if those Board decisions prove to be shit then they should be in the firing line as well - no different to the position of coach or the players..
 

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Bill Watson (15)
We "trust" the Board to make the right decisions on behalf of the supporters - you cannot inform the supporters of everything - decisions need to be made and often quite quickly - its about being proactive as opposed to reactive.

However if those Board decisions prove to be shit then they should be in the firing line as well - no different to the position of coach or the players..

Out of interest, who would actually be in the position to fire members of the board? I don't really know how the inner workings of the QRU actually work or setup. To me they appear as their own entity and they don't have to answer to anyone but themselves.
 

suckerforred

Chilla Wilson (44)
"There's no divide in that team, they're just incredibly disappointed they're not getting the results at the moment and they're a proud, proud bunch of blokes."

There may be no divide, but the level of 'disappointment needs to be turned around.
 

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Bill Watson (15)
Just not (yet) one of those Hickey "Meet with the fans" sessions!

Definitely not! But, there should be a better way to keep an open rapport with the members by PR other then just sending out lots of emails trying to get them to come to games and spend their money. Obviously the only place to do this would be within a members area of their website - or perhaps some other ingenious idea I haven't thought about.
 

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Darby Loudon (17)
Carmichael can go too. Primarily for failing to act 3 months ago, but also for the list and injuries comment.

We haven't recruited well (geez, I wonder who is responsible there) but we still fielded more Wallabies (at least run on) than any Australian side last week and do so on a week to week basis.
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
"There's no divide in that team, they're just incredibly disappointed they're not getting the results at the moment and they're a proud, proud bunch of blokes."

There may be no divide, but the level of 'disappointment needs to be turned around.

Suppose its a bit like a business partnership - when its making plenty of money then no arguments - when its not the cracks start to appear
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Out of interest, who would actually be in the position to fire members of the board? I don't really know how the inner workings of the QRU actually work or setup. To me they appear as their own entity and they don't have to answer to anyone but themselves.



The Members of the QRU of which there are 25 or and I think are the below?

Souths Rugby Club
Norths RUC
Sunnybank Rugby Club
UQ Rugby Club
Brothers RC
Easts RC
Wests Rugby Club
Redlands Rugby Club
GPS RC
Logan City RUC

Gold Coast & District RU
Sunshine Coast RU
Bundaberg Rugby Union
Mackay Rugby
Central QLD Rugby Union
Townsville RU
Darling Downs Rugby
FNQ Rugby
Central Highlands Rugby Union
Mt Isa Rugby
Western QLD Rugby

QLD Cntry RU
QJRU
QLD Schools RU
QLD Suburban RU
QLD Rugby Refereers Association
So there is an AGM every year at which board members are voted on and off (rotational I think every 2 years). Thought the constitution was on the web site, but can't see it.
Current Board is here:
http://www.redsrugby.com.au/AboutUs/BoardofDirectors.aspx
I have a sneaking suspicion this may be McCall's last year on the Board or at least Chairman? He's been there since 2009 or so.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Carmichael can go too. Primarily for failing to act 3 months ago, but also for the list and injuries comment.

We haven't recruited well (geez, I wonder who is responsible there) but we still fielded more Wallabies (at least run on) than any Australian side last week and do so on a week to week basis.

do you know? I don't. Apparently we are signing JOC (James O'Connor) despite the coach not wanting him. So its the CEO? Or the Board?
 

biggsy

Chilla Wilson (44)
do you know? I don't. Apparently we are signing JOC (James O'Connor) despite the coach not wanting him. So its the CEO? Or the Board?

I would happily take JOC (James O'Connor) over RG. This may be the start of RG departure from the reds. Let's hops so.
 

suckerforred

Chilla Wilson (44)
do you know? I don't. Apparently we are signing JOC (James O'Connor) despite the coach not wanting him. So its the CEO? Or the Board?

Seriously, who has been responsible for recruitment? Personally I would have thought that the Head Coach would have a fair input. Or at least the coaching team.

And does this now fall under the perview of Sam Cordingley at the General Manager of Rugby Operations?

Serious questions Reg as I would really like to know the answers.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Carmichael can go too. Primarily for failing to act 3 months ago, but also for the list and injuries comment.

We haven't recruited well (geez, I wonder who is responsible there) but we still fielded more Wallabies (at least run on) than any Australian side last week and do so on a week to week basis.

This is a difficult thing for the Reds in my opinion. Moreso than for any other team, the Reds have a lot of fans with the opinion that they should only recruit locally and that once a Queenslander plays elsewhere they're less welcome at the Reds.

The Queensland identity is one of the Reds strongest attributes but it also makes life more difficult for them as a professional sporting team recruiting in the same markets as their competitors.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Seriously, who has been responsible for recruitment? Personally I would have thought that the Head Coach would have a fair input. Or at least the coaching team.

And does this now fall under the perview of Sam Cordingley at the General Manager of Rugby Operations?

Serious questions Reg as I would really like to know the answers.


It should be Graham, with Cordingly handling negotiations, but also providing some input to Richard.

But this does not seem to be the case with JOC (James O'Connor).
 

swingpass

Peter Sullivan (51)
It should be Graham, with Cordingly handling negotiations, but also providing some input to Richard.

But this does not seem to be the case with JOC (James O'Connor).
i would think sam cordingly saw enough of JOC (James O'Connor) at the Rebels to be very very wary of recruiting him again
 

Thinker

Darby Loudon (17)
do you know? I don't. Apparently we are signing JOC (James O'Connor) despite the coach not wanting him. So its the CEO? Or the Board?


Does it matter? I wouldn't be the board so it's either directly or indirectly Carmichael. He would have to sign off on them all. And even if he doesn't he appointed whoever does.

The board issue is an interesting one, but given the major conflict of interest there should be concerns about the boards operation.

A friend and former team mate of Grahams has expressed to me (what is apparently a common view, but I can't confirm) that Graham has always had a leg up getting gigs etc due to his special relationship with a QRU board member. Basically, the view is he wouldn't have had a coaching career at all if not for this connection. Makes it hard to sack him if its true.
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
The Members of the QRU of which there are 25 or and I think are the below?

Souths Rugby Club
Norths RUC
Sunnybank Rugby Club
UQ Rugby Club
Brothers RC
Easts RC
Wests Rugby Club
Redlands Rugby Club
GPS RC
Logan City RUC

Gold Coast & District RU
Sunshine Coast RU
Bundaberg Rugby Union
Mackay Rugby
Central QLD Rugby Union
Townsville RU
Darling Downs Rugby
FNQ Rugby
Central Highlands Rugby Union
Mt Isa Rugby
Western QLD Rugby

QLD Cntry RU
QJRU
QLD Schools RU
QLD Suburban RU
QLD Rugby Refereers Association
So there is an AGM every year at which board members are voted on and off (rotational I think every 2 years). Thought the constitution was on the web site, but can't see it.
Current Board is here:
http://www.redsrugby.com.au/AboutUs/BoardofDirectors.aspx
I have a sneaking suspicion this may be McCall's last year on the Board or at least Chairman? He's been there since 2009 or so.

Reg thanks for that - looks bloody unwieldly to me - too many bodies.

Suppose that is why Carmichael has to make the "on the ground" decisions.

It also makes HIM directly responsible about the value and results of his decisions.

Therefore the Board needs to do fuckall but appoint the CEO, let him loose, being confident about the quality of decisions made AND also having him being accountable.
 

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David Codey (61)
Boards that do fuck all,never make anyone accountable.
It's the Boards where it's members roll up their sleeves and get amongst the nitty gritty,that both understand the business,and lay down meaningful KPI's so that management are actually accountable.
That's why the phantom is still the CEO at the Tahs.
 
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