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Reds 2014

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Darby Loudon (17)
So what a whirlwind debut for Jonah Placid.. Subbed on, let's in a try (through no real fault of his own, a 4 man overlap), is penalised for tackling a player in the air, cops a knee to the injured? sternum in the process, and drags himself over to the sidelines. Debut over.

Poor guy :(


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I once saw an American exchange student play a game of uni rugby here. He tuned up wearing runners and obviously had no idea of the rules. The combination lead to a yellow card within 20 seconds of subbing into the game. I won't need to tell this story again as I saw Jonah's debut. I hope he bounces back and plays 100 games, but that was about as bad as it gets. Right up there with Guy Shepherdsons performances off the bench in the 2011 finals.
 
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I have many views on what has gone wrong this year from top to bottom but I'll save them for when less filled with rage.

The $6 million dollar question is: when reds memberships fall south of 15k next year, will Carmichael and his thirst for the almighty dollar pull the trigger on the coaching staff? Or will they wait until next season is over and the organisation is in a state not seen since Jones was coaching.

Just wow..,,
 

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Rocky Elsom (76)
(Post 2821) I think $onny Bill Williams had similar "memorable" game in RWC11. Could have been his debut in RWC. Subbed on with 15 (or so) to go. 1st touch for him was a YC. - Shoulder Charge (IIRC or is it wishfull thinking).

Placid will bounce back when Team Rehab are finished with him. He is a very skilled player, and will be able to put this behind him easily.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Maybe I'm wrong, but Richard Graham has never seemed all that impressive as a coach. The Reds obviously have a lot of talent, they should be doing a whole lot better than this. Taking nothing away from the Force, but really, on paper, the Reds should win at home.
 

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Phil Kearns (64)
Just checked youtube and could not find anything on JJ Taulagi. Does anyone have any or able to give me more of an indication on what to expect?

And, of course, you will hear nothing from the "expert" Fox commentary team. Lots of meaningless stuff about how many wins each team has had, or not had, how many in a row, and so on, ad nauseum.


Seriously, do these idiots not understand that it is their job to inform us, not bore us to tears? Wrong thread, I know, but I am totally frustrated.
 

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David Codey (61)
Maybe I'm wrong, but Richard Graham has never seemed all that impressive as a coach. The Reds obviously have a lot of talent, they should be doing a whole lot better than this. Taking nothing away from the Force, but really, on paper, the Reds should win at home.
I just don't understand why Graham is the focus of what's gone wrong.
Why does Link avoid any criticism at all?
They were worse in 2012, when he was coach,they deteriorated further,last year when Link was also still coaching.
Bear in mind,the Oz conference is MUCH tougher in 2014,than it was in both 2012 & 2013.
 

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David Codey (61)
Sorry,poorly written.
Worse in 2012,than 2011.
My line of thought was that the Reds have deteriorated year on year since 2011, but only now is the coaching being questioned.
 

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Michael Lynagh (62)
I'll post here what I mentioned in the match day thread vs the Force - the Reds players at times have no idea what to do.

Genia, in particular, has shocking decision making right now. The only time he should be allowed to kick is when he's sweeping back. Genia put in an absolutely nothing kick with 5 minutes left, 4 points up 30m from your own line, offering the Force a chance to win the game.

Then the drop goal attempt once the Reds got to the Force 22. Not to win the game, to tie.

No self belief or confidence. I am starting to think that some rumblings about coaching issues may be true, I certainly hope not.

The other thing that worries me is the use of the Reds bench, some bizarre sub decisions. Reminds me of the first round where Fisher and Larkham got it so wrong.
 

SouthernX

John Thornett (49)
What's everyones thoughts of trying to poach a guy like Angus Cottrell back to QLD?

I believe he is off contract with the Force this offseason & being a Brizzie Kid could be enticed to come home?

I think his work rate & go Forward running is better then Schatz & Quirk but then again I am a one eyed Bulldogs supporter, So I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks of him outside of West Brisbane.
 

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Peter Sullivan (51)
What's everyones thoughts of trying to poach a guy like Angus Cottrell back to QLD?

I believe he is off contract with the Force this offseason & being a Brizzie Kid could be enticed to come home?

I think his work rate & go Forward running is better then Schatz & Quirk but then again I am a one eyed Bulldogs supporter, So I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks of him outside of West Brisbane.
Hands off buddy you boys didn't want him first time around he was on his way to Spain when we found him he is a wa boy now.


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John Thornett (49)
Hands off buddy you boys didn't want him first time around he was on his way to Spain when we found him he is a wa boy now.


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Plucked out of nowhere by Richard Graham.

It might come back to bite you if Richard Graham is retained for 2015 & young Cottrell wants to repay the faith to the man who gave him a chance.
 

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Jason Little (69)
What's everyones thoughts of trying to poach a guy like Angus Cottrell back to QLD?

I believe he is off contract with the Force this offseason & being a Brizzie Kid could be enticed to come home?

I think his work rate & go Forward running is better then Schatz & Quirk but then again I am a one eyed Bulldogs supporter, So I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks of him outside of West Brisbane.

Cottrell is one of the future stars in the backrow. Gets better with every outing. As I asked in the game review, is he the next 'Melon'? I think he might be.
 

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Mark Ella (57)
A few weeks ago now I posted either in this thread or a game thread that I thought the Reds were a deteriorating side not only because of current coaching standards, not just from the head coach, but also because of a lack of forward planning. That post received a fair bit of sarcastic comment, but a few weeks on and we are seeing a bit of genuine critique and questioning of the results and more importantly the manner in how they are being achieved.

I understand the comments regarding the Reds developing home grown talent through the ranks, but that being said they really needed to recruit and search more widely to fill the gaps left by Higgers, Ioane, Samo, Hynes. In particular Higgers and Samo have not been replaced adequately and in most games this year the Reds backrow has been well and truly defeated in all aspects. I just do not rate Quirk in particular, but Shatz is also struggling this year. I am sure that somebody can post plenty of stats to argue this point, but bear in mind the game last night, the only time the Reds got any real go forward was when Cotterell was sin binned.

A quick look at the Reds bench also doesn't give any relief, there just isn't anybody playing well enough to come on and make a real difference.

Finally I was disturbed to see on the Rugby Club that Genia believes his form is good. I think along the same lines as many others here and as Bob Dwyer has opined earlier this week, his passing is slow and laboured, his kicking (in particular box kicks) poorly executed in general and decision making very up and down.

As stated by an earlier poster this can't be all laid at the feet of Graham. The lack of recruitment and effective development has been building since 2011 when players to replace Hynes, Ioane, Morahan, Samo and Higgers should have been brought on. It just hasn't happened.
 
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