Reds 2011
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Ted Fahey (11)
HG, Yes they are rumours and I know about as much as you. This is a blog where people share information and here say. It is not a court of law where everything has to based on fact. It would be a pretty boring site if it was.
I didnt mention or quote any figures. I did say that there is an indication that he could earn 3 times as much from the Force. As you agreed (I assume you are not bullshitting) "the offer is substantial"...is that bullshit or rumour or you dont know. Is it case that you can quote a rumour "the offer is substantial" but if any one else does it is bull shit.
I will say that I beleive what I have heard on this instance and I hope it isnt true.
As for the ARU top up Quade's manager will have been given an indication of what his top up is. 3rd party deals have nothing to do with the ARU, keep that in mind
I didnt mention or quote any figures. I did say that there is an indication that he could earn 3 times as much from the Force. As you agreed (I assume you are not bullshitting) "the offer is substantial"...is that bullshit or rumour or you dont know. Is it case that you can quote a rumour "the offer is substantial" but if any one else does it is bull shit.
I will say that I beleive what I have heard on this instance and I hope it isnt true.
As for the ARU top up Quade's manager will have been given an indication of what his top up is. 3rd party deals have nothing to do with the ARU, keep that in mind
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Ted Fahey (11)
At this stage the Reds are desperatley trying to come up with a counter offer. From what I have been told (Hear say but believable) they wont be able to come close and that the 3rd party is willing to go higher.
The Reds have to rely an a couple things,
1. Playing to Quades emotions and loyalty.
2. Positioning the playing benefits and career benefits of staying with the Reds
3. Trying to prove some how that the Force are involved or arranged the 3rd party deal.
As I have said previously I hope he doesnt leave but i think the search for a replacement is on.
The Reds have to rely an a couple things,
1. Playing to Quades emotions and loyalty.
2. Positioning the playing benefits and career benefits of staying with the Reds
3. Trying to prove some how that the Force are involved or arranged the 3rd party deal.
As I have said previously I hope he doesnt leave but i think the search for a replacement is on.
liquor box
Peter Sullivan (51)
Jets said:
I dont know about that, why would you sponsor an alledged criminal? I dont see him earning much in third party payments as a direct "face of a company" as he is damaged goods.
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liquor box said:
Agreed, however if he stays at the Reds and cements a place in the test side he will be earning bonuses from all the games he plays for the Wallabies, if he goes to the force and then struggles to make the test team he won't get these bonuses which are upwards of 11k a game. This is probably why he has been offered such a large contract, because even if the Force offered him 50-100k more a year he still has the potential to lose money by not making the Wallabies because the team may not the performing.
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TOCC
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liquor box said:
totally disagree, the bloke is worth a mint..
Every young rugby player either wants to be quade cooper or will want to be quade cooper if he continues his current form for the rest of the year and into next year. Most young kids dont even know what Quade did nor will it matter to them in 12months time.
His little incident may reduce his overall value, but he will still have $bucketloads of potential.
waratahjesus
Greg Davis (50)
its a massive gamble for him to move, look at giteau, the force hardly got the best of him and he was arguably the best in the world when he went there.
Im still not convinced of his mental state, he is doing well to not have to many brain farts this year and i thik having a good relationship with those around him and his coach may have alot to do with it. the fact that the force have a coach who is leaving and a team that will again change several players over the off season doesnt really make sense for him. that said if someone backed a truckload of money up to my door i probably wouldnt care either.
Im still not convinced of his mental state, he is doing well to not have to many brain farts this year and i thik having a good relationship with those around him and his coach may have alot to do with it. the fact that the force have a coach who is leaving and a team that will again change several players over the off season doesnt really make sense for him. that said if someone backed a truckload of money up to my door i probably wouldnt care either.
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Spook
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waratahjesus said:
That's a nonsense statement.
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Greg Davis (50)
Spook said:
and thats an opinion with no back up or actual opinion other than to degrade, you mind actually posting why.
i think the Giteau signing was a failure on several fronts, short term it created buzz but long term have they got anything out of it? the money spent on him would have been better off recruiting a front row and some up and coming inside back talent. He played behind a beaten pack on most occasions and they never threatened the finals.
finally he faught with his coach and triend to get out of the contract when the money dried up, something that in my opinion is probably a factor when players like tamua and leafinalo or however you spell it are happier to sit behind him than take a risk.
your actual opinion would be most welcome spook, try not to look at it through you bias rose coloured glasses though
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Peter Sullivan (51)
dont get me wrong, he is my favourite player and definatley sell tickets to games and I agree that kids dont really care, but do big companies really want to use him? Would BHP or Rio Tinto want him to be a guest speaker at a function, or someone like Genia? He is marketable to an audience that wont get him massive third party deals in my opinionTOCC said:
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Greg Davis (50)
liquor box said:
how many players actually do work for there third party deals though? Quade isnt really the speaking type, i think a picture in an ad for a free car and sme extra money would be all he would have to do
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rugbywhisperer
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OK - here is a tip,
any problem with Cooper or any player will be paling into total insignificance in the days to come.
Severe bloodletting to happen at Reds HQ very soon and this is not going to be pretty.
any problem with Cooper or any player will be paling into total insignificance in the days to come.
Severe bloodletting to happen at Reds HQ very soon and this is not going to be pretty.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Cooper is never, ever going to go on a speaking tour. He is one of the worst speakers I have ever seen, but that isn't what he is about. He is about playing rugby, using is instinct and intuition to break down defenses. Ever notice a familiar pattern with his brain farts? They generally come when he has time to think. See the trip. See the dropping of the ball in space against the Force. He isn't good when he thinks, he has instinct.
The last instinctive player (and also poor speaker) for the Reds was Chris Latham. Passion, drive and instinct made him a great player and despite his massive following, to my knowledge was never a great earner as far as 3rd party sponsors is concerned. In fact if you think about it, there aren't many current wallabies that have the big profile, prescence or charm that you need to have huge amounts of personal sponsors. No one comes close to the likes of Gregan for far ranging recognition, or Eales for recognition and respect. Giteau probably comes closest, but he too isn't the best speaker, and doesn't appear to be the brightest tool in the shed. If I had to pick a few that may make that mark it would be Genia and TPN, but both seem quite shy.
The last instinctive player (and also poor speaker) for the Reds was Chris Latham. Passion, drive and instinct made him a great player and despite his massive following, to my knowledge was never a great earner as far as 3rd party sponsors is concerned. In fact if you think about it, there aren't many current wallabies that have the big profile, prescence or charm that you need to have huge amounts of personal sponsors. No one comes close to the likes of Gregan for far ranging recognition, or Eales for recognition and respect. Giteau probably comes closest, but he too isn't the best speaker, and doesn't appear to be the brightest tool in the shed. If I had to pick a few that may make that mark it would be Genia and TPN, but both seem quite shy.
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