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Reds 2011

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daz

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Lion said:
Re Sheperdson, I think the Reds would be better off pursuing Dunning.
He is off contract at the Force. Much better prop either side of the scrum than shepardson.

Not convinced that Dunning is the right fit. He has been a bench player more often than not at the Force, and from ground level he seems to infringe an awful lot recently. I'm happy to be proven wrong if anyone has his stats up their sleeve.

I have to admit that when he was wearing Gold, I found myself yelling at him and Baxter as much as the opposition...

Sheperdson, on the other hand, seems to be a prime candidate. I can easily see him blossoming under the Reds style and re-capturing his past form as first choice, rather than as 3rd string....
 
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TOCC

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ask any force fan, who are usually a rather patrotical bunch and they will tell you that they wouldnt miss Dunning in 2011
 

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
These signings are good for the Reds and good for Aus rugby. Spreading the tighthead depth around so most are in the frame for a starting spot can only be a good thing. I'm happy that players actually want to come to the Reds for opportunities - Link and the selectors obviously see something in these players that will fit into future Reds plans and that they have the right attitude and work ethic.
 
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Geeves

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Step back and have a look at what's been posted for a bit and think on last year or when the Force joined the comp.

Firstly we lost a couple of players to the Rebels not a wholesale pillaging (Weeks was the biggest loss). It now looks as players want move and play for QLD. While the discussions here are now debating if the player is worth signing (i.e. Sheperdson v Dunning). Damn it nice not really having to worry too much about players jumping ship. I'll even bet Cooper signs once the court case is over.

Damn me but I'm going to set up a shrine to McKenzie and give it a shot of rum every night. The transformation has been fantastic.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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excellent post Geeves.

And what I find the most staggering thing about the transformation? Is how quick it has been achieved. Not saying we are 'there' yet, but wow what a quick turnaround.
 

Godfrey

Phil Hardcastle (33)
I think it's because this is the year after I started re-focussing on following rugby after a few years of near-apathy. Good timing Reds!
 
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Geeves

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In all honesty part of me believes the Reds can't make it to the final 4 and if they do they won't make it past the semis. Although I would love to be proven wrong. I don't think they quite have the composure as yet and the depth in the squad to cover key injuries. But hell please prove me wrong.

As mentioned before the transition is in part due to Mooney (Sharks and Blues games last year provide a good example). McKenzie, from an outsiders point of view, has rewarded hard training and effort (Huston last year was not fit and was not dropped) and has was blessed with a group of talented youngsters who have experience at Super 14 level. Then he has instilled confidence, worked hard on key skills, tightened up the defence and Cooper's ability to now make the right decision has paid dividends.

You can not buy this self belief in a team and the willingness of the players, coaching and board to work together instead of publicly infighting (just look at McKenzie while at NSW) has been sensational. Next year they are in with a good shot of making the finals but then everyone will be very wary of them so it will be tougher.

I just hope that for the rest of this year and next year if they have a bad game that people remember the transformation of the shambles and cut them a break. Somehow I think not.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Great article by Bob Dwyer below - love his point about taking the space ahead of the ball at the ruck. Kiwis do it in their sleep. Is this a Braid influence?

The Rebirth of the Queensland Reds: Bob Dwyer analysis


The Queensland Reds, for more than a short while, cellar-dwellers in the Super 14 competition, have made the rugby world sit up and take notice with their well-deserved win over the Bulls at Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane. The Reds had been a long-time powerhouse in Australian, and perhaps world, rugby for a considerable period in the 70’s and 80’s, but it’s been some time since they could dare to hope for a return to those glory days, at least until last Saturday night.

The Reds played quality, attractive, passionate rugby to outplay the champion South African team and, in the process, won back a legion of previously disenfranchised Queensland rugby supporters and moved into the ‘top four’ on the table for the first time this season – actually, for many seasons.

How has this happened? It can’t be a fluke; they’ve been steadily improving from their good, but not great, opening game against the Waratahs. I’ve come up with a few thoughts, but it’s a complex mix, and you might have a few more of your own.

The Squad.

The squad have built up steadily, after Queensland dominated selections for the Australian schoolboys and age-group teams for the last five or so years. Many of these newer players are now coming of age – in their early twenties – and are ready to play their best rugby at the higher level.

There are the obvious ones – Will Genia, Quade Cooper, Digby Ioane and Peter Hynes – but just this year, Ben Daley, Laurie Weeks and Saia Fainga'a have made an enormous contribution from the front-row, to the total team effort. Van Humphries is a ‘fair dinkum bloke’ who has served his (late) apprenticeship and is now able to lead his young charges. Lock, Rob Simmons, is another developing young talent who will be around for a long while and backrower, Scott Higginbotham, has convinced me – actually a couple of weeks ago – that he will be a Wallaby this year. Daniel Braid has been enormous for his team, and, by my guess, not just on the field.

Anthony Fainga'a has been vital to his backline’s performance and is an excellent foil for Quade Cooper’s extravagant talents. I’ve seen him play better than he did against the Bulls – it’s important to keep the line straight, but it’s also important to pass the ball to take advantage of the space which you have thereby created – but he has had an excellent season to date.bob_dwyer_logo_stacked

Will Chambers looks very good; this was a great signing. He has improved steadily – full marks to the coaching staff – and his extra pace adds a lot to his team’s performance.

The back three, whoever they choose, also have pace to burn. Add strength, agility and toughness and you’ve got a lot to give you confidence at the back.

The Coaching Staff.

I don’t know them all, but I do know head coach, Ewen McKenzie, and backs coach, Jim McKay, very well. Ewen is very experienced, intelligent, knowledgeable and hard working. Jim is not so experienced at the highest level, but is the equal of Ewen in all other respects. Jim also believes implicitly in the value of giving his players the opportunity and the ammunition to allow them to play the game to the full extent of the laws.

Selection and preparation have clearly been of the highest order. Game plans and, more importantly, execution have been exciting, fun and successful for all involved – including the fans.

Performance.

What are the Reds doing this season that has everyone talking about them and in glowing terms? Simply, they do the ’simple’ things well and this allows their natural talent to shine.

Their set plays are good. They have excellent pace across the board.

Their catch and pass skills are ok and will get better.

Importantly, they pass the ball in front of the receiver.

They chase back with urgency and this gives them the opportunity to counter-attack.

Their forwards chase the ball and are not preoccupied with the ‘next’ phase.

The inside backs chase the pass – Quade Cooper is getting many ‘second touches’ on the ball.

In defence, they obviously have the appetite for the job and tackle with enthusiasm. That’s a good start, but, at the tackle contest, they strive to immediately take the space beyond the ball. This makes it difficult for the arriving attacking players to get over the ball. It’s not ‘counter-rucking’; this happens before the ruck is formed.

Character.

They remain modest in their achievements to date. Once again, full marks to the coaching staff. At the after-match TV interview, Will Genia said that “they don’t want to get ahead of themselves.” This is honest and wise. They clearly enjoyed their performance and their victory, but they know that, now, only next week’s game matters. They did convincingly beat the Bulls, but the Bulls have never won the last game of their ‘tour’ since Super rugby began in 1996.

Recently, a mate of mine was asked what qualities he looked for when assessing the potential of a young player. His immediate reply was, “Good manners, because that makes them coachable”.

Ewen must have had this in mind when he, also at an after-match TV interview, said that his squad were all very ‘coachable’.

The performances of the Queensland Reds and the Stormers last weekend, proved to me, yet again, that rugby, when played at its best, has no equal in sport.
My sincere thanks to all involved with these two teams.
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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I have never been a fan of Dunning either. But maybe it is just because he looks like a big playful puppy.
 

Lion

Ted Fahey (11)
I am a Dunning fan he has just returned froma Nasty injury and has been a better prop than Shepardson has ever been.

He would be great for the Reds and add some real mungrel to the pack. Shepardson would be a wast eof money.
 

wobbly

Fred Wood (13)
It's a toss up on who the bigger dissappointment between Shep and Dunning. Dunning has been a shower of shite for the Force this season. He's a marked man by canny opponents and saffa refs.

I really hope the ARU relents and lets Braid resign. If not perhaps the Reds should bank on Daley, Kennedy and Holmes and perhaps another young THP. What the story with Dayna Edwards?
 
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TOCC

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Braids not going to stay either way, he is either chasing his pension in the northern hemisphere or going back to NZ and trying for the all blacks at the RWC...
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Well he is outplaying Latimer and Waldron is an injury liability. I think a world cup squad birth is near assured. Unless something changes.
 
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daz

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Sully said:
I have never been a fan of Dunning either. But maybe it is just because he looks like a big playful puppy.

He IS a bloody big playful puppy. He is a really nice bloke and excellent value on the piss. Happy to chat to all and sundry.

As has been stated before, he is past his best by a considerable way. I'm not sure how much is left in the tank, to be honest. But be that as it may, I just never really rated him that highly.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
en_force_er said:
Well he is outplaying Latimer and Waldron is an injury liability. I think a world cup squad birth is near assured. Unless something changes.

Given Richie playing 6 these days I tend to agree.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Spook said:
I think Link could turn Sheperdson around. He's gone stale.

This is what I like about his signing. Proven player that just needs to be revived. Given his current slide down the ranks he would of been a bit of a bargin which is great for a cash strapped Reds.

This signing is right in so many ways.
 
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tranquility

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I don't think it has been confirmed yet. I would probably prefer just to use Jack Kennedy. He wasn't even good in his prime, John Connolly was the only coach ever to rate him.
 
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