Rebels 2017

[Highlander35]

Is McMahon back this week?

Has Timani finished his suspension?

Colby?

Probably.

Definitely not.

No idea.

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[daz]

I think a lot of Woodward's professional decisions are influenced by a very sick family member, so maybe don't make presumptions.

Without putting words into scooter's mouth, I think that his "assumption" was based on the fact that we all heard Jason say, very clearly, that he was returning the NZ to have a shot at the AB's RWC squad.

Most of us, whilst disappointed to lose him, understood that as a stated goal and ambition. I reckon most of us even wished him well, even if we thought he had two chances of breaking into that squad!

 

[GoMelbRebels]

Probably.

Definitely not.

No idea.

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Timani back for Tahs. Colby back for this week I heard.

 

[Scooter]

Without putting words into scooter's mouth, I think that his "assumption" was based on the fact that we all heard Jason say, very clearly, that he was returning the NZ to have a shot at the AB's RWC squad.

Most of us, whilst disappointed to lose him, understood that as a stated goal and ambition. I reckon most of us even wished him well, even if we thought he had two chances of breaking into that squad!

Amirite my thoughts are pretty much what Daz said. I also saw an article where Woodward said he had realised he wouldn't make AB squad and that was one reason for moving to England (where he was eligible immediately).

 

[Rebels3]

If McMahon can come back, a back row of Fainga'a, Mafi and McMahon is good.

Front Row is good enough
Locks are horrendous, worst in the comp
Back row is very good (considering McMahon plays)
Scrum half is solid (considering Meehan is picked)
Fly Half is horrendous (worst in the competition)
Centers are solid
Outside backs are good.

It's the 2 horrendous areas that are whats the biggest concern.

 

[blues recovery]

If McMahon can come back, a back row of Fainga'a, Mafi and McMahon is good.

Front Row is good enough
Locks are horrendous, worst in the comp
Back row is very good (considering McMahon plays)
Scrum half is solid (considering Meehan is picked)
Fly Half is horrendous (worst in the competition)
Centers are solid
Outside backs are good.

It's the 2 horrendous areas that are whats the biggest concern.

I think this is a very fair review of this team
You're in big trouble if every time one of your locks has a hit up you go backwards 5 metres .
Also not sure at hooker . Hanson seems to have really gone down hill this year
Are the massive line out problems his or the poor quality of the locks or both
Anyway how do you compete at this level if you can't win your own line out ball at least 90 per cent of the time and you have a fly half (insert which ever name you want ) who runs around in circles , can't tackle , has no game sense and is massively unfit

 

[lou75]

If you read what I said I stated that discussions preceded Clarkes appointment as CEO
I'm not disputing that Clarke made the appointment but what I can tell you as fact is that the previous CEO started a process with EM and TM and handed the details of this over to Clarke when he commenced .
One of the really interesting/challenging things on this forum is to distinguish views based on gossip/here say or opinion and those based on fact
We're all guilty of the later on many occasions

I think Tana Umanga was also considered at that stage

 

[blues recovery]

I think Tana Umanga was also considered at that stage

I don't know anything about that

 

[Rebels3]

I think this is a very fair review of this team
You're in big trouble if every time one of your locks has a hit up you go backwards 5 metres .
Also not sure at hooker . Hanson seems to have really gone down hill this year
Are the massive line out problems his or the poor quality of the locks or both
Anyway how do you compete at this level if you can't win your own line out ball at least 90 per cent of the time and you have a fly half (insert which ever name you want ) who runs around in circles , can't tackle , has no game sense and is massively unfit

Yeh Hanson hasn't been playing the house down, but he is still not a liability. Siliva is considerably better than Leafa as well, too bad it's taken multiple seasons to realise this. As for lineout it's a combination of bad jumpers and a lack of options. At least once McMahon comes back we have another option, the others (Timani and Reid) have barely played and the only competent jumper (Day) has missed most of the games.

 

[Braveheart81]

Yeh Hanson hasn't been playing the house down, but he is still not a liability. Siliva is considerably better than Leafa as well, too bad it's taken multiple seasons to realise this. As for lineout it's a combination of bad jumpers and a lack of options. At least once McMahon comes back we have another option, the others (Timani and Reid) have barely played and the only competent jumper (Day) has missed most of the games.

Siliva Siliva has been unavailable through injury for the vast majority of his time with the Rebels as far as I remember.

 

[MACCA]

Im not sure if everyone is privileged enough to have witnessed what I did post game on Saturday, it was very bittersweet. After each game, two players usually head up to the Weary Dunlop Club for a quick post-match recap. It was Tyrel Loamx and Anamaki Mafi. Usually the moderator has to shush the crowd like a school teacher while the players speak. When it was Mafi's turn, he was close to, if not, tearing up. The room went silent as he just thank the fans for the support. This one hurt to watch. If he is feeling it, then so are all the other players too. Clearly their systems, mostly in attack, but also it defence, are not yielding results, and that is completely the coaches responsibility. The complete ARU/SANZAAR debacle is placing massive pressure on them too and if you don't have peace of mind going onto a rugby field, you'll be found out.

If I were McGahan, resign to the fact you'll be head coach in title only for the remainder of 2017 but not afterwards, not with these results. I suggest you ask the players what to do, give them the opportunity to work out the game plan and strategy. Be there as a mentor but only if they seek it and if they have conviction in what they have worked out, let them roll with it. If it doesn't work, they will learn from it and redesign/adapt. I reckon he would owe them that much.

Even with the injuries, we should have won at least 4 games by now, not scrapping by with one. This is not an acceptable standard and must be addressed. I know I am selling ice (frozen H2O) to the Eskimos with that statement, I have just had enough as it is hurting my love for the Rebels and rugby.

Wonder what contribution Morgan Turinui has made. Could he replace TT?



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[Slim 293]

Siliva Siliva has been unavailable through injury for the vast majority of his time with the Rebels playing rugby as far as I remember.

 

[amirite]

A story has come out today, reported in the Herald Sun and reposted by G&G with their usual "Victorian don't know rugby from league" comedy shtick, saying the ARU have offered the Rebels a buyout figure.

Story here: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/rugby/melbourne-rebels/the-future-of-the-melbourne-rebels-continues-to-hang-in-the-balance/news-story/a9db208e3d2ae818b30d18b610928b9f&memtype=anonymous

My take is - Of course the ARU have offered a number to see if there's a get out easy route, it's just doing 'due diligence'. They'd be insane not to. And of course Cox has a price, like all men, but I think in all likelihood the ARU won't be able to go high enough.

More than likely it's just all quiet on the western front (pardon the pun) with news on this issue, so the media do the usual 'flip the narrative', it's happened before in this issue and it will happen again. The media needs content, and when you've flogged the crap out of every angle of "Force are getting unfairly booted" and "Rebels and Brumbies should merge", you need a fresh angle so you can keep getting eyeballs on your articles.

As fans we have to be careful not to make too much of this story, but also not too little either.

 

[GoMelbRebels]

A story has come out today, reported in the Herald Sun and reposted by G&G with their usual "Victorian don't know rugby from league" comedy shtick, saying the ARU have offered the Rebels a buyout figure.

Story here: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/rugby/melbourne-rebels/the-future-of-the-melbourne-rebels-continues-to-hang-in-the-balance/news-story/a9db208e3d2ae818b30d18b610928b9f&memtype=anonymous

My take is - Of course the ARU have offered a number to see if there's a get out easy route, it's just doing 'due diligence'. They'd be insane not to. And of course Cox has a price, like all men, but I think in all likelihood the ARU won't be able to go high enough.

More than likely it's just all quiet on the western front (pardon the pun) with news on this issue, so the media do the usual 'flip the narrative', it's happened before in this issue and it will happen again. The media needs content, and when you've flogged the crap out of every angle of "Force are getting unfairly booted" and "Rebels and Brumbies should merge", you need a fresh angle so you can keep getting eyeballs on your articles.

As fans we have to be careful not to make too much of this story, but also not too little either.

TBH I was more than a little pissed at Nick Hartman's "comedy" in this morning's GAGR Rugby News. He is off my Christmas card list.

 

[amirite]

TBH I was more than a little pissed at Nick Hartman's "comedy" in this morning's GAGR Rugby News. He is off my Christmas card list.

I stopped listening to the pod, not because of the banter but because the lack understanding of our local rugby game (combined with their willingness to have an opinion on it) was appalling.

They don't have to understand our local game, they don't live here, but saying "my Dad lives down there and says shit's fucked" does not constitute a learned or quantitate insight worthy of arguably Australia's premier independent rugby news source.

 

[daz]

Been thinking a bit about "what-if", and it really only crystallised in my mind last night when I read the newspaper "headlines" and had that split second thought that my team was gone.

If the Rebels are chopped, I reckon that my interest in Rugby in this country, including the Wallabies, would die the second the Rebels played their last game.

I don't think there is another footy code in Oz that interests me, and while I do love F1, it is hardly a real sport.

I think it very likely my attention will be drawn to the Top14.

 

[amirite]

Been thinking a bit about "what-if", and it really only crystallised in my mind last night when I read the newspaper "headlines" and had that split second thought that my team was gone.

If the Rebels are chopped, I reckon that my interest in Rugby in this country, including the Wallabies, would die the second the Rebels played their last game.

I don't think there is another footy code in Oz that interests me, and while I do love F1, it is hardly a real sport.

I think it very likely my attention will be drawn to the Top14.

If the Rebels go, we become the only team in the Rugby world with multiple professional teams than the 2nd largest State/Provence does not have a side.

 

[Rebels3]

In 20years when we are projected to become the largest state, it will look even silly

 

[upthereds#!]

A story has come out today, reported in the Herald Sun and reposted by G&G with their usual "Victorian don't know rugby from league" comedy shtick, saying the ARU have offered the Rebels a buyout figure.

Story here: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/rugby/melbourne-rebels/the-future-of-the-melbourne-rebels-continues-to-hang-in-the-balance/news-story/a9db208e3d2ae818b30d18b610928b9f&memtype=anonymous

My take is - Of course the ARU have offered a number to see if there's a get out easy route, it's just doing 'due diligence'. They'd be insane not to. And of course Cox has a price, like all men, but I think in all likelihood the ARU won't be able to go high enough.

More than likely it's just all quiet on the western front (pardon the pun) with news on this issue, so the media do the usual 'flip the narrative', it's happened before in this issue and it will happen again. The media needs content, and when you've flogged the crap out of every angle of "Force are getting unfairly booted" and "Rebels and Brumbies should merge", you need a fresh angle so you can keep getting eyeballs on your articles.

As fans we have to be careful not to make too much of this story, but also not too little either.

it was reported at the start of this debacle that cox wanted 4.75 to go away. However it dragged on, cost him in damages and he has since said he won't sell if the team gets folded. However, with the massive financial guarantees of the WA government, including compensation for the victorian govt. withdrawal of funds dedicated to hosting a bledisloe, in addition to the consortium of millionaire rugby guys who want to help the force on top of the several million raised by the own the force campaign to buy back what they sold to the aru.....sadly it seems that the rebels have moved to the top of the shitkick list.

 

[elementfreak]

Been thinking a bit about "what-if", and it really only crystallised in my mind last night when I read the newspaper "headlines" and had that split second thought that my team was gone.

If the Rebels are chopped, I reckon that my interest in Rugby in this country, including the Wallabies, would die the second the Rebels played their last game.

I don't think there is another footy code in Oz that interests me, and while I do love F1, it is hardly a real sport.

I think it very likely my attention will be drawn to the Top14.

I was watching the Cheetahs v Highlanders game at the weekend, before the Rebels came along I liked how both teams played rugby and generally liked seeing them do well. I reckon I would probably support the Highlanders if the Rebels went, my interest in Australian rugby has never really widened from the Rebels.
I can't bring myself to support the Wallabies (or any Australian sporting team) due to the amount of pain they all inflicted on me growing up.

Hopefully we don't get the chop, I would really like to see the Rebels stick around, as you can definitely see the skeleton of an exciting and promising rugby team forming. We just need to get the right game plan and coaches to suit the talent we have got. Unfortunately at the moment I don't think we have that quite right, but here's hoping we are around next year with a better coach and a better gameplan.

I was thinking the other day about how much I miss the Damien Hill coached Rebels. Sure we lost a lot of games, but at least they were entertaining. Instead of now where we lose even more games and they are boring affairs.