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Rebels 2017

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Braveheart81

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Will Genia (78)
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I really don't think they can get rid of teams right now.

My prediction is that there will be no big announcements out of the meeting but they will be looking at potential changes to the structure for next year.

I'm guessing that the lack of success of Super 18 will scupper plans to expand further (which I think were entirely the plan when they moved to 18 teams).

3 conferences, 8 team finals with two guaranteed from each conference plus the next two highest teams on competition points would be good. Seeding for finals would be conference winners and then points order so all conferences are guaranteed a home quarter final.
 
amirite

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Chilla Wilson (44)
I think too many of us see team quality and confusing competition as the same issue. They're separate.

I think South Africa should be told, 3 conferences of 6 guys, it's happening. As compromise maybe there's more non-conference games by percentage.
 
GoMelbRebels

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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
FTA need live sport more than ever. With streaming services and downloads taking away viewers, it's live sport that keeps the viewers tuning in. Ten don't have much in the way of winter sport, so they would (should) jump at the chance.
 
Tex

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Greg Davis (50)
Brumby Runner said:
Rebel3 and Amirite. My post re the possible relocation of the Brumbies to Melbourne was in response to a number of suggestions by Melbourne fans here that that should happen if the Rebels fold. In truth, I don't want to see any Aus franchise get the chop, but I do have my thoughts about the long term viability of a franchise based in Melbourne, simply because of the overwhelming support down there for AFL.

My main point is that if Melbourne can't sustain the Rebels, and I think long term there is a doubt about that, then moving the Brumbies or any other team there will inevitably lead to two franchises going to the wall. Let's not change anything but see over time how the Rebels succeed.
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Melbourne can sustain the Rebels; Melbourne, however, has been let down by the Rebels.

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amirite

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Chilla Wilson (44)
The opportunity isn't going well, but it only takes 2 years to 'reboot' a franchise - maybe less.

Jake White did it, Nick Stiles is doing it to an extent. Any decision on the Rebels must be future facing.
 
Tex

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Greg Davis (50)
Which parts do you disagree with? Stathi has been pushing rugby stories in The Age for years and has done so professionally and fairly.

Accusing him of carrying an agenda because you disagree is tinfoil hat stuff.

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GoMelbRebels

GoMelbRebels

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Tex said:
Which parts do you disagree with? Stathi has been pushing rugby stories in The Age for years and has done so professionally and fairly.

Accusing him of carrying an agenda because you disagree is tinfoil hat stuff.

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Yeah, I know, I was just peeved because I felt that article was unbalanced. I don't disagree with his points, just feel it's a bit unfair to kick a man (team) when it's down.
 
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Peter Sullivan (51)
There is nothing in Pathi's story thats not a fact. The off field problems have exacerbated the the on field weakness. I find Wayne Smiths article in the Australian today encouraging, re iterating the two franchises at risk are Force and Brumbies. But things can change rapidly.
 
Tex

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Greg Davis (50)
GoMelbRebels said:
Yeah, I know, I was just peeved because I felt that article was unbalanced. I don't disagree with his points, just feel it's a bit unfair to kick a man (team) when it's down.
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I'd agree with a version of that - namely that the media should have been pushing harder on the board, CEO and coach rather than regurgitating media release stories from the comms unit.

The club has been able to coast along, doing its thing, supported by a public who just want a long-term sustained presence of top flight rugby in Melbourne.

What i'm shitty about is the gut feeling that I/we have been taken a bit for granted. Weak decisions from the ARU in the first instance, then the ongoing poor governance from the Rebels' inception.

Realistically who suffers if the Rebels/Force/Brumbies are cut? Good players and coaches will be snapped up by local teams and the European/Japanese powerhouses, middling blokes will also find contracts. It's the fans who turn up week after week hoping to see a good performance and possibly a win who will cop it in the neck.

Rant over.
 
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Chilla Wilson (44)
It's also the coaches, players, managers in the development pipeline (and those that would've been in the future).

Do we really think there's 5-10X as many professional-level Victorian/Western Australian players now then there was in the past? Probably not.

The Dane Haylett-Pettys of the world back in 1995 probably would've just been a dominant club football player until he was in his late-20s and work became too much.

Admittedly some moved to Sydney/Brisbane and ground their way up, but not everyone was lucky enough to a) be able to move or b) was noticed by professional programs once they did.
 
dru

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David Wilson (68)
Tex said:
Realistically who suffers if the Rebels/Force/Brumbies are cut? Good players and coaches will be snapped up by local teams and the European/Japanese powerhouses, middling blokes will also find contracts. It's the fans who turn up week after week hoping to see a good performance and possibly a win who will cop it in the neck.

Rant over.
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This is a rant that should NOT stop. Who wins? As you say Eurpoe and Japan. And within a few years the average standard of Super rugby teams is exactly as now. All four of them.
 
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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
dru said:
This is a rant that should NOT stop. Who wins? As you say Eurpoe and Japan. And within a few years the average standard of Super rugby teams is exactly as now. All four of them.
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And as I have said before, would this be happening if they stayed with 15 teams? Probably not yet, at least. Why should Australia suffer because SA wanted another team they shouldn't have been given?!
 
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Greg Davis (50)
amirite said:
If you think having 4 teams improves each side you've completely missed a little phenomenon called globalisation.

The Rugby marketplace is one marketplace.
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Concentration of talent? Wallabies jersey and associated contract top ups are an incentive for the best to stay, the dross don't get promoted to fill positions.

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Chilla Wilson (44)
Tex said:
Concentration of talent? Wallabies jersey and associated contract top ups are an incentive for the best to stay, the dross don't get promoted to fill positions.

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1. Top up contacts are still less than overseas contracts.
2. Hypothetically the 3-4 top ups from the side that gets booted get distributed around the other teams (at a net positive of 1 Wallaby per remaining Super team), but the mid-tier players from that side for the most part leave. The mid-tier players are the Wallabies of the future.
3. The dross you speak of, many of them improve.

Ignoring the global marketplace is to ignore every economic trend in the world, including what we're currently seeing in rugby.
 
Highlander35

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Steve Williams (59)
If it's down to the Broadcasters we "should" be safe I reckon.

Fox probably wouldn't be happy with a reduction in Australian derbies, and I can't see a way to get rid of us (or any other Aussie team for that matter) without reducing that amount, or maybe maintaining it at best.

Plus, the more games in the AEST/AEDT prime timeslot the better.
 
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