Quade telling it how it is
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daz
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Agree with you that Beale probably should be stood down pending the outcome, but since it has dragged on for most of this year and he is technically innocent at this moment in time, it is not really apples for apples.
QC (Quade Cooper) actually really did say something along the lines of "change things to suit me or get fucked" (the words are mine, but the intent is QC (Quade Cooper)'s) to his employer and employer staff. That is not a guilty/not guilty incident.
EDIT: Wording changed due to being correctly called on them
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Why would you do that? What if he is found innocent, you just stood down someone for doing nothing wrong.
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daz
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That earns the Spiro Zavos award, Daz.
Well, yeah, ok. Point taken.
Like Spiro I see nothing wrong with my amateur journalism.
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David Codey (61)
Yes they have set the standard, apparently if you steal things and go through the mediation process(as KB (Kurtley Beale) is ) then they will start you.
Apparently you don't even have to tackle if you don't feel like it.
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Billy Sheehan (19)
I wonder what the reaction to QC (Quade Cooper)'s musings would have been if it had been made by say, Horwill or Genia or Poey.
I know the reaction will be "they wouldn't do it". But just suppose it was Big Kev on the Rugby club instead of QC (Quade Cooper) and he made the same comments, would we have viewed the intention differently?
E.G. would we have assumed that he meant that the style of play should be changed to suit Kevvie, or would we veiw it as "it should be changed to suit the Wobs style" . . .
What if it was Will Genia that said that the atmosphere was toxic? What with JON, RD being reappointed unjustifiably, the strange selections, the massive underacheivement of the national team, the constant injuries etc., I think we may have agreed with him.
If it was David Pocock describing unhappiness with the current setup, would have have thought "is that why he and WG and QC (Quade Cooper) et al haven't signed the ARU contract"?
I truly wonder what our reaction would have been.
I know the reaction will be "they wouldn't do it". But just suppose it was Big Kev on the Rugby club instead of QC (Quade Cooper) and he made the same comments, would we have viewed the intention differently?
E.G. would we have assumed that he meant that the style of play should be changed to suit Kevvie, or would we veiw it as "it should be changed to suit the Wobs style" . . .
What if it was Will Genia that said that the atmosphere was toxic? What with JON, RD being reappointed unjustifiably, the strange selections, the massive underacheivement of the national team, the constant injuries etc., I think we may have agreed with him.
If it was David Pocock describing unhappiness with the current setup, would have have thought "is that why he and WG and QC (Quade Cooper) et al haven't signed the ARU contract"?
I truly wonder what our reaction would have been.
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John Thornett (49)
I would be dusting my boots off and heading down to Wallaby training
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TOCC
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I dont really want to reignite this issue as I've said my piece previously...
But starting a player who has just been charged for such an offense sends the wrong message to all the player...At the very least he should have been NOT considered for selection due to bringing the game into disrepute(which he was guilty of).
The root of the issue is, Deans and the ARU have undermined their ability to punish and discipline players due to the leniency shown in the past.
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There is a reason sarcasm is looked down upon....
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David Codey (61)
Not surprisingly, this was your opinion when QC (Quade Cooper) was caught stealing.
You have got more conservative over the past few years!
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Peter Johnson (47)
Agree with you that Beale probably should be stood down pending the outcome, but since it has dragged on for most of this year and he is technically innocent at this moment in time, it is not really apples for apples.
QC (Quade Cooper) actually really did say something along the lines of "change things to suit me or get fucked" (the words are mine, but the intent is QC (Quade Cooper)'s) to his employer and employer staff. That is not a guilty/not guilty incident.
EDIT: Wording changed due to being correctly called on them
I think it was more: "change things so we start winning games or get fucked".
I want to see how beale plays outside genia, could really set his game off.
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I'm sure you would have also read that within the context of the thread that that post was in reply to suggestions his contract should be torn up and Quade kicked out of the game..
I've never suggested Beale should be kicked out of the game, i said he shouldn't have been considered for selection for a match to set an example to other players.. I also supported the same punishment for Quade following that incident...
So what's your point?
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David Codey (61)
Read your original post again, you were adament that being charged of a crime was proof of nothing.And that no action was appropriate until any charge was proved.
Why is there a difference in how you believe KB (Kurtley Beale) should be treated,and how you believed QC (Quade Cooper) should have been treated.
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daz
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Guys, we are getting off track here. When we start doing the "he said, she said" routine, that should be a sign that the thread is going nowhere.
Let's move on.
Let's move on.
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David Codey (61)
Beales kicking was looking the goods but he was pretty poor vs the ABs. Kicked short when he should have kicked long and when he kicked long often didnt find space. There were a few times where there was only the fullback deep in the second half when he should have been kicking long for territory but held onto it instead.
because part of the players wages come from sponsorship
if a player is lowering the return to the sponsor through his off field actions, it needs to be fixed
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No that not what the initial post suggested at all...as I said, my comments were in reply to those who believed he should have had his contract torn up..
You are digressing and debating a topic years old, the topic at hand is that the ARU and RD have already set a low standard for disciplining players over the years and as recently as 2 months ago, to now change that drastically would be to admit they were wrong and a subsequent knee jerk reaction.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Embattled Queensland Reds five-eighth Quade Cooper is expected to re-sign with the Australian Rugby Union before the end of the month, but a chunk is likely to be missing from his contract to cover a heavy five-figure fine.
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