Quade telling it how it is

[Braveheart81]

The ARU showing some balls at this point would be to publically dismiss Quade Cooper.

 

[Scotty]

Cooper hasn't exactly produced a lot of running creative rugby for the Wallabies in the last year or so. Regardless of perceived tactics, he has made many errors in the test arena.

Even if Deans was to leave as Wallabies coach, I still wouldn't be letting QC (Quade Cooper) near the place. I think it is unacceptable for a player to make these sort of outbursts in public undermining his team, his teammates and the organisation.

When your form and fitness are as poor as they have been, Quade Cooper's comments come across as the whinging of a petulant child. Both literally and figuratively, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Cooper has made a lot of mistakes for the Wallabies, but I see parallels to Chris Latham's career.

Latham used to carve it up for the Reds, almost winning games on his own back at times, however is form for the Wallabies was always patchy. He was required to play a more restricted game, not allowed to the try the things he could for the Reds. He also had the axe hanging over his neck at all times, and it showed in his nervous performances for the Wallabies.

Once he started to establish himself for the Wallabies (and coinciding with Burkes sharpe drop off in form) he began to replicate his Reds form for the Wallabies. He needed the support and confidence to really show what he had at the top level.

The parallel extends to the fact it was mostly NSW supporters that bashed him in his wallaby performances, but even they changed their minds eventually as he became worlds best in his position.

I feel if Cooper had this same support from his coach he could get to the same heights that Latham did, and become the best in his position in the world.

 

[Scotty]

I don't see any evidence to suggest anyone aside from Quade Cooper has issues.

There was a reported argument between Deans and Genia just after Genia took over the captaincy reins.

And I also now wonder why Pocock was given the captaincy over Genia. It appears to all outside that Genia is the better on field captain, so why choose Pocock (who often looked to Genia to make the decisions anyway).

 

[Braveheart81]

Cooper has made a lot of mistakes for the Wallabies, but I see parallels to Chris Latham's career.

Latham used to carve it up for the Reds, almost winning games on his own back at times, however is form for the Wallabies was always patchy. He was required to play a more restricted game, not allowed to the try the things he could for the Reds. He also had the axe hanging over his neck at all times, and it showed in his nervous performances for the Wallabies.

Once he started to establish himself for the Wallabies (and coinciding with Burkes sharpe drop off in form) he began to replicate his Reds form for the Wallabies. He needed the support and confidence to really show what he had at the top level.

The parallel extends to the fact it was mostly NSW supporters that bashed him in his wallaby performances, but even they changed their minds eventually as he became worlds best in his position.

I feel if Cooper had this same support from his coach he could get to the same heights that Latham did, and become the best in his position in the world.

I think this is a pretty good comparison.

I don't think it is as simple as just being given the support to do it at test level too. I think Latham improved dramatically over his career and gaining that consistency to pull off the sublime is critically important.

The biggest difference between Super Rugby and Test Rugby is that it is more difficult. The same move works with less frequency in the test arena and the mistakes get punished more frequently in test rugby.

I think Cooper needs to realise that he must improve his consistency before he is going to be backed to the hilt for the Wallabies.

We need greater consistency than going into each test with the plan that Cooper is going to throw caution to the wind and if it comes up we'll probably win and if it doesn't we'll probably get smashed.

 

[I like to watch]

However if the ARU finally show some balls and sack Deans and install Link then Cooper may well just stay.

Which might be possible, if QC (Quade Cooper) was consistently our best player in each and every Test match.But he is not.
At his peak, he could either win or lose a test match single handed.
He is not at his peak, he is not even fit to fucking play ATM.
He is flaky,and has held the game to ransom on a couple of occasions to maximise his current deal.Which is fine, but not the sort of behaviour of someone that you are going to put all your eggs in one basket.
His history is littered with indiscretions,if it's a decision between RD or a rollercoaster ride with QC (Quade Cooper), every administrator would back RD every time.
Maybe it has got to the stage that QC (Quade Cooper) needs to go, regardless of what happens with RD.

 

[Scotty]

I think this is a pretty good comparison.

I don't think it is as simple as just being given the support to do it at test level too. I think Latham improved dramatically over his career and gaining that consistency to pull off the sublime is critically important.

The biggest difference between Super Rugby and Test Rugby is that it is more difficult. The same move works with less frequency in the test arena and the mistakes get punished more frequently in test rugby.

I think Cooper needs to realise that he must improve his consistency before he is going to be backed to the hilt for the Wallabies.

We need greater consistency than going into each test with the plan that Cooper is going to throw caution to the wind and if it comes up we'll probably win and if it doesn't we'll probably get smashed.

Without a doubt, I comes from both sides of the equation (player and coach), and both are letting us down at the moment. The main difference is that Deans is letting all the players down, and most likely impacting on their ability to reach their potential, while Cooper is only really letting himself down with his mistakes.

Catch 22 though. Cooper has shown consistency within the Reds structure and game plans. If the coach doesn't back you at the national level, it will be very hard to gain that consistency there.

 

[Loki74]

Will it really be such a bad thing if he does go. Not great for Queensland rugby I know. But at test level, he will not be playing for some time - another knee operation. Maybe EOYT, more likely Super rugby next year. By then we have Lealifano back, JOC (James O'Connor) back, still have Barnes and Beale (assuming neither run off to League or o/s) and hopefully worked back to peak fitness in Beale's case. Seems to me we could be pretty solid in fly half by then and may not miss Cooper all that much. The reason Cooper is such a focus at the moment is that we are down to Barnes (solid, but uninspiring) and Beale (head isssues, possibly stomach issues). Others may step up next year as well (Foley at NSW). If I was the ARU, I would be saying to Cooper if you don't want to be part of this, good luck to you. He will not get nearly the profile or the same money in Rugby League.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

That could be the same problem here: no one told him the right way to deal with a problem.
But it appears his agenda may have been QC1 rugby 2.


QUADE COOPER is on the verge of walking away from rugby union.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/a...-into-touch-20120924-26hi8.html#ixzz27PnhJZND


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In accordance with the posting rules I provided the link to an article in which the likelihood of QC (Quade Cooper) playing for the chooks was specifically addressed and was addressed by reference to pretty clear considerations.

Noyce said:

But with Roosters chairman Nick Politis out of the country on business, it was left to club chief executive Steve Noyce to hose down the reports. ''We're aware of a lot of speculation but James Maloney is joining us as our marquee signing at five-eighth, and we've made a commitment to James,'' he said.
Maloney is expected to form a formidable halves combination with Mitchell Pearce, leaving little room for Cooper. He could play at fullback but the club also appears to be full there, with gun winger Roger Tuivasa-Sheck considered a successor to veteran Anthony Minichiello.

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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/australia-rugby/critical-cooper-ready-to-kick-wallabies-career-into-touch-20120924-26hi8.html#ixzz27RoqtsdQ​

Given the specificity of the denials and the reasoned responses it seems unlikely QC (Quade Cooper) would be heading to the chooks: besides which his boss (Noyce) has already tipped the media as to where he ranks QC (Quade Cooper) in relation to the playing roster at that club and, if this farce has proved anything it is that he doesnt like an honest appraisal of his place in the pecking order.

All of this only goes to support the view that QC (Quade Cooper) is by no means a walk up start or perhaps even a 1st grade prospect with a club who finished a long way down the ladder in 2012.

I cant speak of the Broncos but they know where he is and there's not a hint of a rumour linking the two.

Japan seems a good option and no doubt SBW can sell him up there.

 

[I like to watch]

Well Steve Noyce will just have to go.Clearly they have not thrived during his tenure.sack him and sign QC (Quade Cooper).

 

[Swat]

The best possible result that could come out of this is that Quade is disciplined by the ARU for his twitter comments. He gets disgruntled and tries to leave to play with SBW but the roosters can't fit him on their roster. Tries to get a gig in france but they won't offer him a contract until he's been back on the park for quite some time so he has to go through at least one more season with the reds first and by the time that is finished Dingo has moved on and Quade is happy to play with Link as coach.

Also, Quade comes to the realisation that acting like a dick has tarnished his reputation and that is worth far more than dollars so he drops Khoder Nasser as his manager and turns into an all round good bloke.

 

[HG]

Which might be possible, if QC (Quade Cooper) was consistently our best player in each and every Test match.But he is not.
At his peak, he could either win or lose a test match single handed.
He is not at his peak, he is not even fit to fucking play ATM.
He is flaky,and has held the game to ransom on a couple of occasions to maximise his current deal.Which is fine, but not the sort of behaviour of someone that you are going to put all your eggs in one basket.
His history is littered with indiscretions,if it's a decision between RD or a rollercoaster ride with QC (Quade Cooper), every administrator would back RD every time.
Maybe it has got to the stage that QC (Quade Cooper) needs to go, regardless of what happens with RD.

That's the way throw the baby out with the bath water! Sure Cooper hasn't been at his best, but he has had a knee reconstruction. He hasn't been the worst either, infact Barns has performed a lot worst that Cooper as have a number of other players. The guy has some serious talent but for him to perform as with Genia or any other back the forwards need to do their stuff. It is obvious to blind Freddy that Deans is not getting the team to gel and this is the result unhappy campers. It has been a wasted 5 years with Deans and if you were honest you would pick Cooper over Deans is asked which person was of more value to the team.

 

[emuarse]

Cooper hasn't exactly produced a lot of running creative rugby for the Wallabies in the last year or so. Regardless of perceived tactics, he has made many errors in the test arena.

Even if Deans was to leave as Wallabies coach, I still wouldn't be letting QC (Quade Cooper) near the place. I think it is unacceptable for a player to make these sort of outbursts in public undermining his team, his teammates and the organisation.

When your form and fitness are as poor as they have been, Quade Cooper's comments come across as the whinging of a petulant child. Both literally and figuratively, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

If there are two gates available to you, and the one (ARU) you would prefer to go through is closed (contract renewal) and locked at the time, but the other gate is ajar, what do you do?
You'd probably do what QC (Quade Cooper) is doing - kick, pull & push on the closed one for it to open. If it doesn't then you go through the other one (NRL/overseas).
I believe the ARU is absolutely contemptible in the way they treat players of class - first Matt Giteau, then Quad Cooper. Sack the gatekeeper I say.

 

[Blue]

Cooper has made a lot of mistakes for the Wallabies, but I see parallels to Chris Latham's career.

Latham used to carve it up for the Reds, almost winning games on his own back at times, however is form for the Wallabies was always patchy. He was required to play a more restricted game, not allowed to the try the things he could for the Reds. He also had the axe hanging over his neck at all times, and it showed in his nervous performances for the Wallabies.

Once he started to establish himself for the Wallabies (and coinciding with Burkes sharpe drop off in form) he began to replicate his Reds form for the Wallabies. He needed the support and confidence to really show what he had at the top level.

The parallel extends to the fact it was mostly NSW supporters that bashed him in his wallaby performances, but even they changed their minds eventually as he became worlds best in his position.

I feel if Cooper had this same support from his coach he could get to the same heights that Latham did, and become the best in his position in the world.

Latham didn't knee oppo captains in the head, act like a goose, and shoot his mouth off in public.

Hence there was more patience with him. If Quade just pulled his head in a little more, he would get more support outside of Queensland but he has made this bed.

Now whether he has done it on his own accord or as part of a Queensland conspiracy to get rid of Robbie and JON and move in the Queensland cavalry, only time will tell us.

 

[Blue]

There was a reported argument between Deans and Genia just after Genia took over the captaincy reins.

And I also now wonder why Pocock was given the captaincy over Genia. It appears to all outside that Genia is the better on field captain, so why choose Pocock (who often looked to Genia to make the decisions anyway).

No I reckon it's coz Will is from Queensland and we all know that the rest of the world hates you lot.

 

[ACT Crusader]

You could say the Crusaders would have taken the title but for the earthquake. Then again, you could say they only started playing with ticker again, playing like a premiership winning side, after the earthquake. They were reasonably complacent beforehand. Yes, I know they are traditionally slow starters but they were dragging their feet more than usual at the start of 2011 - they looked like an ITM Cup side than the best team in the competition'rs history. Shit, had the earthquake not come and they had not pulled their finger out when they did they might have dropped one or two more games and not even made the top six.

At the end of the day you can speculate all you want, you can say the Reds were lucky, you can make all the excuses in the world but the trophy was in our cabinet that year. We were clearly better than thirteen of the fifteen teams that year and we were better than the Crusaders when it counted. What could have, should have or would have been counts for nothing. It's what was done that matters. It is about who produces the goods on the day not who could have if a, b and c happened.

Personally, I think people taking the shine away from the Reds premiership is poor fucking sportsmanship - but that's just me.

Just to clear something up, the earthquake happened on 22 Feb 2011, just days after round 1. Round 2 was forfeited. So a "slow start" after one game?? A game we lost by 2 points to the Blues in Auckland. I guess we dragged our feet for one game. But hey I'll let you spin however you want. You seem to be good at that...

 

[Dumbledore]

No I reckon it's coz Will is from Queensland and we all know that the rest of the world hates you lot.

I know I do.

 

[Scoey]

Will it really be such a bad thing if he does go. Not great for Queensland rugby I know. But at test level, he will not be playing for some time - another knee operation. Maybe EOYT, more likely Super rugby next year. By then we have Lealifano back, JOC (James O'Connor) back, still have Barnes and Beale (assuming neither run off to League or o/s) and hopefully worked back to peak fitness in Beale's case. Seems to me we could be pretty solid in fly half by then and may not miss Cooper all that much.

Not pointing you out personally Loki, but I'm having trouble with this proposition that has been put up a few times in this thread. Do we really need Cooper when we have Lilo, JOC (James O'Connor), Barnes and Beale all options at 10.

• Lilo a stellar season at S15 but is untested at Test level. One of the many arguments about QC (Quade Cooper) is that S15 prowess does not transfer to Test arena automatically. Edit: But he has suffered a major injury and players don't always come back quickly from big injuries ie QC (Quade Cooper).
• JOC (James O'Connor) is not even the best 10 at his S15 franchise and if you ask 6 different people his best position then you'll get 6 different replies. QC (Quade Cooper) is a flyhalf. If we want to give the most important gig on the paddock to a utility back give AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) a go. Tongue in cheek but you get what I mean.
• Barnes is regularly rubbished as not being a Test #10. This is the same reason people are happy to see QC (Quade Cooper) go.
• Beale is in almost career worst form and has been making far more mistakes than QC (Quade Cooper) in recent tests. Let QC (Quade Cooper) go because of his mistake rate and then install someone who is going worse?

I can't swallow that. We don't have players that are specialists in their positions. THAT is why we struggle at a national level. Yet we have a dedicated fly half in QC (Quade Cooper) but sure, let him go - we don't need him. Doesn't make sense.

 

[ACT Crusader]

If there are two gates available to you, and the one (ARU) you would prefer to go through is closed (contract renewal) and locked at the time, but the other gate is ajar, what do you do?
You'd probably do what QC (Quade Cooper) is doing - kick, pull & push on the closed one for it to open. If it doesn't then you go through the other one (NRL/overseas).
I believe the ARU is absolutely contemptible in the way they treat players of class - first Matt Giteau, then Quad Cooper. Sack the gatekeeper I say.

But for every Giteau and Cooper there have been scores of "class" players without the publicised issues.

 

[Scoey]

There was a reported argument between Deans and Genia just after Genia took over the captaincy reins.

And I also now wonder why Pocock was given the captaincy over Genia. It appears to all outside that Genia is the better on field captain, so why choose Pocock (who often looked to Genia to make the decisions anyway).

From what I've heard is that RD has always preferred that his captain be a forward.

 

[I like to watch]

...Let QC (Quade Cooper) go because of his mistake rate and then install someone who is going worse?

Your missing the point, his form is only a small part of it.
It's all the shit that he brings with it.
And as you say, his form was hardly stellar.
If he was in career best form, many would ignore all of his indiscretions.Now that he is flat out being selected, there is no tolerance for any of his bullshit.