Quade telling it how it is

[Tangawizi]

Do they telecast all the NSW Cup games?

QLD Cup has been live on Channel 9 all season in Qld from 2-4pm on a Sunday afternoon... so probably not good to joke about that when the Wallabies can't even get live free to air coverage and super rugby is a midnight 1 hour highlights show.

 

[twenty seven]

After 5 years though, why are we talking about this shit. Dwyer and Macqueen had the team tight, playing to a consistent pattern and high performance. Deans may not be a bad coach according to what is on paper but why do the Wallabies suck as a team as bad as they do? Why are we not consistent? Why do we not have a recognizable consistent pattern of play as we have had in the past?

Macqueen took the Wallabies outside of Sydney and NSW thats why he was so successful. It was not the city nor the state but because thats were so many of the powers to be were located and all kept putting their two cents worth in. Macqueen was smart, he knew what he had to do to get the job done and get the team to focus on what they had to do.
Now - well, NZ know Dean's coaching style and everybody knows the past of our High Performance Boss - Aus and NZ, having done stints in both.
We have too many chiefs with a "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY' belief and a team of ever changing players and positions. Passion for the game and country are probably put on the back burner when its about saving your arse and a place on the team!

 

[HG]

The team is currently on tour to play tests against South Africa and Argentina.

Cooper responds with a tweet saying that his feeling towards rugby are who's playing compared to AFL and NRL where he's saying "how do I get tickets?"

I think it is ridiculous to say that his comments don't undermine his teammates. Do you think they'll be appreciating the comments made about how there is shit going on behind and above the players? What if these opinions aren't held by everyone and it is just Quade having a whinge because things aren't working out for him?

Do you think the players appreciate the fact that the Australian Rugby public and media are focused on the crap that Quade Cooper is tweeting rather than a Rugby Championship test this weekend?

Part of being a team player is having respect for your team. I think Quade Cooper is showing absolutely none.

Link has always been strong on discipline. Do you think he'd put up with a player making these kind of outbursts under his control? I highly doubt it.

He is commenting on the style they are playing under our shit house coach, read all his tweets, I did.
He has taken a pot shot at Deans and his random game plans, Jumping from defensive, attacking, kicking, the players have no clue as to what Deans is going to do next and Quade has called him on it. I don't expect he believes that he will be playing anytime soon for Deans as I believe he thinks Deans will be sacked at the end of the rugby championship. If he is not then he will pack up and leave and head to League.

 

[Redsfan]

I can't imagine that Quade is the only one that feels this way. Remember a few tests ago, when Deans was bewildered with the chip kicks? They weren't part of the game plan, apparently. If the players were willing to (unsuccessfully) take matters into their own hands on the field, I'd say they are all pretty aware of problems with the coaching and back-room staff.

 

[Brisbok]

Ha.........if those chip kicks were the players' idea, it is pretty clear that they should be kept far away from stategic/tactical planning!

 

[Redsfan]

Maybe so (and that's what I meant by unsuccessfully). What it does tell us though, is that there is dissension in the ranks, and there is a slowly developing trickle of information that suggests that Deans has 'lost the shed'.

 

[Braveheart81]

I don't see any evidence to suggest anyone aside from Quade Cooper has issues.

 

[Schadenfreude]

You could say the Crusaders would have taken the title but for the earthquake. Then again, you could say they only started playing with ticker again, playing like a premiership winning side, after the earthquake. They were reasonably complacent beforehand. Yes, I know they are traditionally slow starters but they were dragging their feet more than usual at the start of 2011 - they looked like an ITM Cup side than the best team in the competition'rs history. Shit, had the earthquake not come and they had not pulled their finger out when they did they might have dropped one or two more games and not even made the top six.

At the end of the day you can speculate all you want, you can say the Reds were lucky, you can make all the excuses in the world but the trophy was in our cabinet that year. We were clearly better than thirteen of the fifteen teams that year and we were better than the Crusaders when it counted. What could have, should have or would have been counts for nothing. It's what was done that matters. It is about who produces the goods on the day not who could have if a, b and c happened.

Personally, I think people taking the shine away from the Reds premiership is poor fucking sportsmanship - but that's just me.

I was at every home game, and its the best quality rugby I've ever seen. The Tahs game, beating the crusaders twice, and the demolition of the Blues were massively impressive.

 

[Redsfan]

I don't see any evidence to suggest anyone aside from Quade Cooper has issues.

Really? You don't think there's anything to be read into the fact that multiple players refused to execute a coach's gameplan, instead devising their own (apparently inferior, but that's not the point) plan instead? It wasn't just Quade with the chip kicks against the Springboks. Ergo, it wasn't just Quade that was executing a different gameplan.

Maybe this is just my natural QLDer tendency to see everything as a conspiracy, though.

 

[HG]

Don't stick your head in the sand. I am sure the players are frustrated with Deans and although you won't hear anything from the team they are not stupid, we here are all on the get rid of Deans as is a lot of the media bandwagon. Just because you can't see it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

 

[I like to watch]

I can't imagine that Quade is the only one that feels this way. Remember a few tests ago, when Deans was bewildered with the chip kicks? They weren't part of the game plan, apparently. If the players were willing to (unsuccessfully) take matters into their own hands on the field, I'd say they are all pretty aware of problems with the coaching and back-room staff.

That's a long bow.
Players taking poor options under pressure does not translate to a mutiny forming amongst the players.
The papers have been chock a block with quotes from his peers supporting him in some way haven't they?
Not one fucking word,from anyone in any way supporting anything he says. Problem in the shed? More like problem in the head!

 

[Redsfan]

That's a long bow.
Players taking poor options under pressure does not translate to a mutiny forming amongst the players.
The papers have been chock a block with quotes from his peers supporting him in some way haven't they?
Not one fucking word,from anyone in any way supporting anything he says. Problem in the shed? More like problem in the head!

None lining up to distance themselves, either.

 

[Braveheart81]

Really? You don't think there's anything to be read into the fact that multiple players refused to execute a coach's gameplan, instead devising their own (apparently inferior, but that's not the point) plan instead? It wasn't just Quade with the chip kicks against the Springboks. Ergo, it wasn't just Quade that was executing a different gameplan.

Maybe this is just my natural QLDer tendency to see everything as a conspiracy, though.

I would put it down to poor option taking under pressure rather than deciding a different gameplan.

I really doubt players have dreamt up their own game plan and then decided to go with it. If that was the case you'd think they'd have continued to do it after half time.

Don't stick your head in the sand. I am sure the players are frustrated with Deans and although you won't hear anything from the team they are not stupid, we here are all on the get rid of Deans as is a lot of the media bandwagon. Just because you can't see it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

So you're saying that not accepting rampant speculation with no basis except to say that if Quade Cooper is saying it, other players must believe it too is sticking my head in the sand?

The media loves creating drama because people read it. Just the other day there was an article which resulted in a thread on here about Barnes moving on after the Lions tour based on nothing more than a journo asking the loaded question of "if you received a big offer to play overseas would you consider it?"

 

[Redsfan]

I would put it down to poor option taking under pressure rather than deciding a different gameplan.

I really doubt players have dreamt up their own game plan and then decided to go with it. If that was the case you'd think they'd have continued to do it after half time.

Hmm, good point about the second half. I remain suspicious though, and will keep my tinfoil hat on for now.

 

[I like to watch]

None lining up to distance themselves, either.

By saying nothing, they are distancing themselves aren't they?

 

[Redsfan]

By saying nothing, they are distancing themselves aren't they?

I don't know, are they?

 

[p.Tah]

Excellent article in the Australian by Wayne Smith. I was getting jaded with some of his JON attacks, but this is very well balanced IMO.

The quote I like at the end reads

These are heartbreaking times for Australian rugby.

These are times when the ARU needs to show some leadership.

But how can it solve the problem when it forms such a big part of the problem?

Its behind the pay wall but the link is here:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...met-with-silence/story-e6frg7v6-1226480583236

 

[HG]

I would put it down to poor option taking under pressure rather than deciding a different gameplan.

I really doubt players have dreamt up their own game plan and then decided to go with it. If that was the case you'd think they'd have continued to do it after half time.



So you're saying that not accepting rampant speculation with no basis except to say that if Quade Cooper is saying it, other players must believe it too is sticking my head in the sand?

The media loves creating drama because people read it. Just the other day there was an article which resulted in a thread on here about Barnes moving on after the Lions tour based on nothing more than a journo asking the loaded question of "if you received a big offer to play overseas would you consider it?"

So you are happy with the way they are playing under Deans! do you think Cooper may realize that Link could do a better Job of it. The players are not silly, they haven't had a consistent game plan since before the world cup! Deans has completely lost the plot and everyone can see it including the players. Cooper has made the decision that he will not play under Deans by the look of it and will head to League. However if the ARU finally show some balls and sack Deans and install Link then Cooper may well just stay.

 

[Braveheart81]

So you are happy with the way they are playing under Deans! do you think Cooper may realize that Link could do a better Job of it. The players are not silly, they haven't had a consistent game plan since before the world cup! Deans has completely lost the plot and everyone can see it including the players. Cooper has made the decision that he will not play under Deans by the look of it and will head to League. However if the ARU finally show some balls and sack Deans and install Link then Cooper may well just stay.

I am not happy with how the Wallabies have been playing but the bit I am most unhappy about is the inconsistency and the inability to execute our skills to anywhere near an acceptable level.

There have been far too many dropped balls, poor kicks (both short and long) and erractic passes.

Rugby isn't that complex. We don't need to do anything too remarkable. We need players to work hard, realign quickly and provide options.

When you look at McCabe's try against Argentina, we had mutliple people running onto the ball and Shipperley out wide and unmarked (but drawing the outside defender out wider than he should have been to cover our inside players). We don't need long cut out balls, fancy run arounds or anything like that to make our attack dangerous. We need players in motion so the defence are unsure of who is going to get the ball. We also need to work hard in support. The All Blacks score so many tries just because they work much harder to be in position in case a pass can be made or a mini break is made.

Personally I don't see how any coach or the ARU can put up with Cooper's outbursts. I don't think you can accept that sort of behaviour and still maintain the discipline and commitment required to succeed in test rugby. Whilst I don't think Deans will get the sack at the end of the Rugby Championship and unless we have a disastrous EOYT, he'll be here for the Lions tour as well, I don't think a new coach would be too happy to welcome Cooper back into the fold after having such a public tantrum.

 

[fatprop]

So you are happy with the way they are playing under Deans! do you think Cooper may realize that Link could do a better Job of it. The players are not silly, they haven't had a consistent game plan since before the world cup! Deans has completely lost the plot and everyone can see it including the players. Cooper has made the decision that he will not play under Deans by the look of it and will head to League. However if the ARU finally show some balls and sack Deans and install Link then Cooper may well just stay.

that is unworkable, it would make the Brumbies "player power days" look like the good old days.

maybe we could have a player vote to decide who should coach them ...................................... fark