Quade telling it how it is

[fatprop]

I'm certainly not Quades biggest fan. But he is currently the best 10 that we have a chance of creating an exciting style of rugby around.

Robbie on the other hand is the turd stuck onto the bottom of the Wallabies shoe, it's just no one has bothered to scrape him off yet.

I tend to agree with the first premise and question the second.

Deans isn't a bad coach, his coaching record on paper is clearly better than most coaches around including the supposed shoe in to replace him in Link.

The only challenge he has is consistently beating the All blacks, and even there we still win the odd game most years.

 

[Scotty]

Apparently Quade will be on The Rugby Club on Thursday night so I'm sure he'll say a few things that might leave the ARU cringing.

I doubt it. He will have been schooled by then.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I doubt it. He will have been schooled by then.

and he's always shown how quickly he learns?

 

[fatprop]

So well structured and precise play can't be replicated at test level? might as well not bother with putting a test team in the mix then.

many a Kiwi has suggested to me even the S15 win is devalued by the RWC year and the Kiwi sides resting so many top players

 

[Snort]

Looking at this as calmly as possible...

The Wallabies aren't a bad side. This season they have beaten Wales (European champions), South Africa and Argentina. So, not too shabby. They have been whacked by New Zealand, sure. But they're the next-best team in world Rugby. That's not "sack the coach" territory.

The Wallabies have shown a lack of penetration in many of their games, and that has made them frustrating to watch. From my perspective, this is mostly because they don't have any creativity in the centres. Barnes at 12 may turn out to be an answer to this (I quite like the idea of Barnes and Ashley-Cooper in the centres), but for the most part the team has relied on centres who just crash it up. I don't blame Deans for this - with O'Connor out, what are his choices?

Cooper's form for the Wallabies this year has been poor, following the RWC last year when it was awful. No-one doubts his talent. But it's highly unattractive when a player in poor form looks to blame other people (including the coach) or the team's style of play. The team's style of play doesn't make you kick out on the full, or get charged down, or throw passes to no-one.

An ideal situation for Australia would be to have Cooper in the team, fit and confident and firing. But if he really wants to play League, let him go. I suspect his manager is in his ear telling him that this form is someone else's fault, and that he's a genius in high demand. But on current form, if he signed with the roosters, he'd be running around for Newtown at Henson Park.

 

[No4918]

Fuck Quade and fuck Deans.

I'd love Cooper to be involved in rugby in this county for a long time but Deans can fuck off right now. Love watching him play but am feeling a bit 'MEH' about his possible leaving. I suspect both are at fault in all this but Deans has been a complete fuck up since he started.

No one in the NRL is going to take the chance on Cooper with his knee and form, and give him more money than the ARU will be offering. Maybe a stint being a shit kicker in the NRL and getting shown up will show him some humility. Then he can run with his tail between his legs back to the ARU and be a team man or fuck off overseas. What the fuck is he thinking?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Fuck Quade and fuck Deans.

I'd love Cooper to be involved in rugby in this county for a long time but Deans can fuck off right now. Love watching him play but am feeling a bit 'MEH' about his possible leaving. I suspect both are at fault in all this but Deans has been a complete fuck up since he started.

No one in the NRL is going to take the chance on Cooper with his knee and form, and give him more money than the ARU will be offering. Maybe a stint being a shit kicker in the NRL and getting shown up will show him some humility. Then he can run with his tail between his legs back to the ARU and be a team man or fuck off overseas. What the fuck is he thinking?

You left out JON

 

[redstragic]

I tend to agree with the first premise and question the second.

Deans isn't a bad coach, his coaching record on paper is clearly better than most coaches around including the supposed shoe in to replace him in Link.

The only challenge he has is consistently beating the All blacks, and even there we still win the odd game most years.

After 5 years though, why are we talking about this shit. Dwyer and Macqueen had the team tight, playing to a consistent pattern and high performance. Deans may not be a bad coach according to what is on paper but why do the Wallabies suck as a team as bad as they do? Why are we not consistent? Why do we not have a recognizable consistent pattern of play as we have had in the past?

 

[Tangawizi]

Brent Tate is still carving up in the NRL after 3 full knee reconstructions, plus all the dramas with his neck.

Do people seriously think there are no clubs who would take a chance with Quade? Or that he'd start in reserve grade?

Can we bring a touch of reality to the discussion please?

The real problems, aside from the Wallabies playing poorly, lie with the ARU and the stupid contracting system they've introduced.

Might have seemed like a great idea to JON at the time but all it's achieved is to piss off fans, players and Super Rugby franchise CEO's all over the country.

 

[emuarse]

many a Kiwi has suggested to me even the S15 win is devalued by the RWC year and the Kiwi sides resting so many top players

Were not the Crusaders in the final, and how many of their players were rested at the working end of the Super 15 season - don't believe all the rabbiting you hear from Fern munchers

 

[vidiot]

I'm not sure that the coaching team has a common vision. Perhaps Robbie only really had the first couple of years and then the interference started. Nucifora, McGahan....

They probably need to make some more deposits in belief, and take more learnings from the games to come.

Or we could just start afresh by giving a new coach a run with a (coaching) team picked by the coach, not the administrators.

 

[fatprop]

After 5 years though, why are we talking about this shit. Dwyer and Macqueen had the team tight, playing to a consistent pattern and high performance. Deans may not be a bad coach according to what is on paper but why do the Wallabies suck as a team as bad as they do? Why are we not consistent? Why do we not have a recognizable consistent pattern of play as we have had in the past?

I would suggest it is both the coach and the players and injuries.

Look at this season, we have our best 10 wounded and sulking , two captains gone, our best 15 too fat to play, our best counter attacker injured

And we are wondering why we are struggling

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[Snort]

I'm not a huge fan of Deans. But he's plainly a capable coach. Even so, a coach doesn't rise above the level of the material he has to work with. Deans has a squad with limited depth that he has established as the world numer two side. That's not too bad. Instead of mindless Deans-bashing, why not suggest who he could select that would strengthen the team?

The question was asked: "Do people seriously think there are no clubs who would take a chance with Quade? Or that he'd start in reserve grade? Can we bring a touch of reality to the discussion please?"
Here is a touch of reality. Cooper has been in poor form for a year. He has had injury problems for a year. His front-on defence is a weakness. Add all these things up, and then work out how much an NRL team would be prepared to pay for a guy who has never played the game at senior level. Yes, he's talented, very much so. But what has he done with that talent, lately?

 

[fatprop]

Were not the Crusaders in the final, and how many of their players were rested at the working end of the Super 15 season - don't believe all the rabbiting you hear from Fern munchers

The Kiwi argument is that they would never got the home final in a normal year

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[Ignoto]

Apparently Quade will be on The Rugby Club on Thursday night so I'm sure he'll say a few things that might leave the ARU cringing.

Perhaps Marto will share a few "skull vodkas" before the recording to really get the tongue going!

 

[Gagger]

I'm certainly not Quades biggest fan. But he is currently the best 10 that we have a chance of creating an exciting style of rugby around.

Robbie on the other hand is the XXX stuck onto the bottom of the Wallabies shoe, it's just no one has bothered to scrape him off yet.

I get that you're trying to make an analogy, but lets try and keep it less personally insulting please.

 

[biggsy]

I've been bored on wallabies rugby for years. I can see coopers frustration and Eddie jones is now involved. I agree on what is said abou the ARU and the way there playing. It a different team every time the wallbies take the field. If they want to keep cooper in rugby heads have to roll. The only people that can't see what happening are the twats in the ARU.

I believe Cooper is gone, he won't be at the reds next year and the wallabies are to blame. I hope I'm wrong.
His style of play will Suit NRL becuase it's a piss poor easy style rugby. Lets face it, The game ends at every tackle. Now thats boring.

And a dig at cooper as much as I'm a fan of him. The environment that he is around,maneger, sonny and mundine is TOXIC. And they would be a big part of pushing cooper to lash out.

 

[redstragic]

I would suggest it is both the coach and the players and injuries.

Look at this season, we have our best 10 wounded and sulking , two captains gone, our best 15 too fat to play, our best counter attacker injured

And we are wondering why we are struggling

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I take your point, last year this was not the case though and we played very hot and cold. There was that game against France a couple of years ago, I thought that was the beginning of the new wallabies era, since then we have risen to that level only a couple of times.

 

[AlexH]

many a Kiwi has suggested to me even the S15 win is devalued by the RWC year and the Kiwi sides resting so many top players

They were not resting their top players at the back end of the season.

The two best teams played in the finals and the best team won. Let the Kiwis spin it however they want -- they're good at that.

 

[wamberal]

They were not resting their top players at the back end of the season.

The two best teams played in the finals and the best team won. Let the Kiwis spin it however they want -- they're good at that.

Silly post. The Crusaders had a horrible season, playing away from home after a huge natural disaster, they had to make the return African leg before playing in the final.


Maybe the Reds were the better team on the day, but they had all the breaks, and the Crusaders had precisely none.