Quade telling it how it is

[I like to watch]

...... And then again, maybe he hasn't and is just an immature prick putting shit on his boss in public, when his performances have hardly been exemplary.

Bingo

 

[I like to watch]

Yes, I see a difference.

I was only responding to you calling sharpie 'exemplary'.

Also refer to Sully's post above. It just seems that to NSW supporters you are only affecting the game of rugby if you do something to it in NSW or at the national level. If you try and hurt Qld rugby, they couldn't care less!

There are no sacred cows in NSW. If they behave like a dick, they get called a dick.
For some reason you guys keep defending the undefendable.

 

[Sully]

There are no sacred cows in NSW. If they behave like a dick, they get called a dick.

bullshit.

 

[Scotty]

That's it Scotty. That is what we are all about, just all of us wanting Qld rugby to perish. You've nailed it.

That isn't what I said.

But do you agree with the assertion that Sharpie 'exemplary' on and off the field?

 

[cyclopath]

That isn't what I said.

But do you agree with the assertion that Sharpie 'exemplary' on and off the field?

I wouldn't call anyone exemplary. I fail to see what Strawman Sharpe has to do with Quade Cooper.

 

[waratahjesus]

I never understand the sharpe hate in Qld, in the end his defection started a rot that saw things change and you win a comp, his staying would have no garuntee of the success on and off field Qld has had the last few years. You should thank him.

Then you should join Jim in saying Quades behavior is unacceptable.

 

[Scotty]

Because Deans is the coach, and Quade is a player. Deans was responding to a direct question, and QC (Quade Cooper) went off unprompted on twitter. Deans made a very specific, non-defamatory statement about Cooper, and QC (Quade Cooper) painted everyone at the ARU and all the Wallabies coaches as the problem, while also bagging the code generally and professing his love for AFL and NRL.

The coach has a right to make such statements, as long as he can back them up. Sometimes calling a player out in public can be good for their motivation- Eddie Jones was a master of this. And it wasn't like what Robbie said was so drastically out of the blue, QC (Quade Cooper) played badly- there is no two ways about it.

It's pretty clear one or two mild lines by Deans in response to direct questioning is not comparable to late-night tweets sticking the boot into the entire backroom staff of Australian rugby, no matter how justified.
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You are looking at only a small part in how Deans has handled Cooper. This year the following has happened:

1. He was told he wasn't fit enough for the Wales series despite making his comeback for the Reds prior to that.
2. We were told he wasn't fit enough for the first RC match, therefore wasn't selected on the bench as an attacking option later in the game.
3. He miraculously was fit enough for the next RC match (a whole week later) after the first game didn't go to plan, so was thrown into what was in all likelihood a 'no win' situation for him. (vs the ABs on their home turf). Deans then employed a game plan where Barnes was at first receiver at lineouts (the time when a flyhalf gets the most space)
4. Cooper has a mistake riddled game vs the Pumas, and for the first time I can recall Deans talks to the media about wanting to hook a player (by his comments he was only stopped due to injury to Shipperley)
5. Speculation in the media and comments from Deans indicating that Cooper was under pressure to keep his spot for the SA tour. The only other viable options where one guy that had already been moved from 10 and the other who got dropped from the starting line-up.

It isn't as black and white as you suggest. To me, the handling of Cooper by Deans is what has brought all of this on, so I am astounded that so many are concentrating on the Cooper side of this and not the Deans side.

 

[Scotty]

I wouldn't call anyone exemplary. I fail to see what Strawman Sharpe has to do with Quade Cooper.

I didn't bring up Sharpe in this thread, just continued on the line started by another.

 

[Scotty]

I never understand the sharpe hate in Qld, in the end his defection started a rot that saw things change and you win a comp, his staying would have no garuntee of the success on and off field Qld has had the last few years. You should thank him.

Then you should join Jim in saying Quades behavior is unacceptable.

For the third time in this thread, I agree he has made a mistake.

However, I don't agree the reaction to this has been fair and balanced.

 

[spectator]

I haven't posted on the forum for quite a while because of a frustration with the game I love, Rugby, within Australia. I am not going in to all the reasons within this thread because it probably is not appropriate and may read more like a novel than a post.​

The point I wish to make here is, Quade I am assuming has a similar frustration to me. Something is not quite working at many levels of Australian Rugby. But unfortunately Quade in his high profile position has chosen to publicly complain about his employer, This simply would not be allowed in the corporate world. He needs to be disciplined for this.​

Secondly, Generation Y, needs to understand the ramifications of right here, right now 'gratification.' There are consequences to all actions and Quade needs to be educated in this.​

I like Quade Cooper, I like his play, I like the thing he can do for our game. But to me this action is not acceptable.​

What an excellent post.....

 

[barbarian]

You are looking at only a small part in how Deans has handled Cooper. This year the following has happened:

1. He was told he wasn't fit enough for the Wales series despite making his comeback for the Reds prior to that.
2. We were told he wasn't fit enough for the first RC match, therefore wasn't selected on the bench as an attacking option later in the game.
3. He miraculously was fit enough for the next RC match (a whole week later) after the first game didn't go to plan, so was thrown into what was in all likelihood a 'no win' situation for him. (vs the ABs on their home turf). Deans then employed a game plan where Barnes was at first receiver at lineouts (the time when a flyhalf gets the most space)
4. Cooper has a mistake riddled game vs the Pumas, and for the first time I can recall Deans talks to the media about wanting to hook a player (by his comments he was only stopped due to injury to Shipperley)
5. Speculation in the media and comments from Deans indicating that Cooper was under pressure to keep his spot for the SA tour. The only other viable options where one guy that had already been moved from 10 and the other who got dropped from the starting line-up.

It isn't as black and white as you suggest. To me, the handling of Cooper by Deans is what has brought all of this on, so I am astounded that so many are concentrating on the Cooper side of this and not the Deans side.

This hardly adds up to a prolonged period of mismanagement and mistreatment. I dispute point 1, which only leaves us with the last three weeks of a coaching period spanning years.

QC (Quade Cooper) is not the first person to feel aggrieved (rightly or wrongly) at the actions of a coach. And I can make a perfectly good argument that Deans decisions in every instance were justified- for the first Bled he stuck by Barnes who had done so well against the Welsh. And Deans has copped PLENTY of flack for selection decisions on here, including those you have talked about here.

And that brings us back to Nathan Sharpe and the proper way one handles themselves after being badly treated by a coach. Sharpie was overlooked constantly in the early days of the Deans era, despite overwhelming support on here. Instead of bitching on twitter he went back to his province, hit the training paddock and gym hard (as he outlined on one podcast), and came back a better player who is now back as Wallaby captain.

It is a ever-present story in sport. In other words, 'don't get bitter- get better'.
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[I like to watch]

You are looking at only a small part in how Deans has handled Cooper. This year the following has happened:

1. He was told he wasn't fit enough for the Wales series despite making his comeback for the Reds prior to that.
2. We were told he wasn't fit enough for the first RC match, therefore wasn't selected on the bench as an attacking option later in the game.
3. He miraculously was fit enough for the next RC match (a whole week later) after the first game didn't go to plan, so was thrown into what was in all likelihood a 'no win' situation for him. (vs the ABs on their home turf). Deans then employed a game plan where Barnes was at first receiver at lineouts (the time when a flyhalf gets the most space)
4. Cooper has a mistake riddled game vs the Pumas, and for the first time I can recall Deans talks to the media about wanting to hook a player (by his comments he was only stopped due to injury to Shipperley)
5. Speculation in the media and comments from Deans indicating that Cooper was under pressure to keep his spot for the SA tour. The only other viable options where one guy that had already been moved from 10 and the other who got dropped from the starting line-up.

It isn't as black and white as you suggest. To me, the handling of Cooper by Deans is what has brought all of this on, so I am astounded that so many are concentrating on the Cooper side of this and not the Deans side.

1 & 2.Deans should have declared that QC (Quade Cooper) was not selected in the match day squad? Everyone uses the old not fit line.In fact most people understood that he was fit and not selected. Bear in mind his RWC campaign was a disaster,and his form with the Reds was steady at best.
3. Deans is a twat for not selecting him,and is now a twat for selecting him?
4.QC (Quade Cooper) has a mistake riddled game, the coach is asked whether he thought of hooking him and he agrees it crossed his mind.The audacity of the man!
5. Yep there is speculation that someone out of form is under pressure to hold his spot. However when this is no longer an issue due to injury QC (Quade Cooper) dishes shit on the coach.
It appears to me that he has a sense of entitlement that is not warranted.

 

[cyclopath]

I didn't bring up Sharpe in this thread, just continued on the line started by another.

No, but you're running with it.

 

[Jiggles]

In hindsight, Giteau's opinion on Deans should have been valued or at least discussed in more detail than it was..

 

[en_force_er]

I imagine this is a long standing privet battle that's finally spilled into the media. I think they need to keep it classy and behind closed doors, we shouldn't know any of this.

There will always be a rumour mill but this is info from press conferences and twitter. Really not good enough.

That being said, now that it's out it's all awfully interesting

 

[Brumbieman]

RIGHT message, but wrong messenger.
Quade Cooper's call this week for the Wallabies to be brave, not boring, in their remaining Rugby Championship Tests against the Springboks and Pumas would have resonated with thousands of frustrated Australian fans. None of them would have any problems with the Wallabies' commitment of late, merely with their lack of adventure and enterprise. They're not shouting "Try harder!" from the grandstands. They're shouting "Try something!"
On Monday, in the wash-up to last weekend's Pumas Test, I wrote: "If these Wallabies are ever going to deliver the performance Australians are yearning for, they've got to learn to let go of their fears." So needless to say, Cooper's rallying cry comes as music to my ears.
If only it hadn't been Cooper calling for this change of mindset. If only it had come from, say, Will Genia or David Pocock or James Horwill. Coming from one of those Australian captains, such a bold rallying cry would have been not only well-received but well-respected. None is a maverick, none has anything personally to gain by making such a statement.
A call from Cooper to throw caution to the wind is like being hectored by an old-style hippie about the virtues of free love. Or, as Mandy Rice-Davies might have put it: "He would say that, wouldn't he!" Within the context of the Wallabies set-up, Cooper is a free spirit in chains. That's not to say coach Robbie Deans sends him out to play in handcuffs. But Deans is, at heart, a rugby conservative. True character traits are laid bare at times of extreme pressure and it is fair to say the further the Wallabies progressed in the World Cup last year, the narrower Deans had them playing. By the time they reached the semi-final showdown with the All Blacks, they were reduced to basically two attacking ploys, Genia box kicks and Pat McCabe crash balls.
Cooper wriggles and squirms within the tight confines of such an environment. It was noticeable that the only time he played with any real freedom during the World Cup was in the virtually meaningless playoff for the bronze medal against Wales when, rumour has it, he decided to throw off the shackles and simply play his own natural game. For the first time in the tournament he started showing glimpses of the form that had lit up Super Rugby earlier in the season and the tragedy was that just as he metaphorically was starting to find his feet again, he literally lost them and his knee buckled beneath him.
He is well aware he is no longer Deans's first-choice five-eighth. That would be James O'Connor. With O'Connor injured - and arguably Christian Lealiifano as well - Berrick Barnes was given first crack at the 10 jersey. It was only after his indifferent displays there that Deans finally turned to Cooper.


For all his brash exterior, Cooper is at heart a fairly sensitive soul and well aware of his coach's ambivalence about him. But clearly the ambivalence cuts both ways and while it is probably taking the pop psychology a tad too far to suggest that Cooper's mixed display against the Pumas - at times woeful, at times wonderful - was a reflection of his inner turmoil, I suspect it's not too long a stretch.
Equally, Deans bit like a great white shark when asked after the game whether he had considered replacing Cooper. Had it been McCabe having a hot-and-cold game or Ben Alexander, Deans would surely have batted the question neutrally away, but not in this instance. Yes, he admitted frankly, he had considered that very thing and probably would have hooked Cooper from the game had Dom Shipperley's dislocated finger injury not left him short of options.
So, no love lost on the Cooper-Deans front and when it was suddenly announced on Tuesday that Cooper would miss the remainder of the Rugby Championship to have a grease-and-oil change on his squeaky knee, the widespread suspicion initially was that Deans had found a low-key way of removing Cooper without creating a scene.
As it turned out, that wasn't a fair assumption - Cooper really needed to have his knee attended to - but it was amazing how many people interpreted the snap announcement in that fashion.
Under the circumstances, Cooper then is the wrong messenger to be delivering this particular message. The perception, rightly or wrongly, is that he has an agenda, that by imploring his teammates to be bold not boring, he is subtly criticising the way Deans has the Wallabies playing the game.
The real conspiracy theorists are going even further, suggesting that by pressuring Deans into playing a high-risk game on the highveld against a Springboks team that is totally risk-averse, he is increasing the likelihood of the Wallabies being defeated, which would further undermine Deans's already precarious position.

And, finally, there are any number of Cooper critics who find it highly amusing that a player who so often is moved out of the frontlines in defence is calling for bravery from the Wallabies. No matter that Cooper has demonstrated his courage countless times.
It's not his ticker that's lacking, it's his tackling technique. Still, it is the oldest trick in the political book to discredit the message by discrediting the messenger and Cooper yet again was coming in for his share of personal vilification on blogsites yesterday.
Happily, like the bowler in the Monty Python sketch whose deliveries keep getting smashed straight back at him, hitting him plumb between the eyes, he's getting used to it by now.
Hopefully, some of Cooper's message gets through. He is right - the Wallabies are never going to reach their potential, never going to beat the All Blacks, with a try-nothing approach. Yes, they'll risk even heavier defeats than the ones they've suffered of late if they dare to be different, dare to dare but, as the Korean War flying manual apparently first put it, no guts, no glory.

Excellent article.

 

[Scotty]

No, but you're running with it.

Just defending my position.

 

[Brumbieman]

You are looking at only a small part in how Deans has handled Cooper. This year the following has happened:

1. He was told he wasn't fit enough for the Wales series despite making his comeback for the Reds prior to that.
2. We were told he wasn't fit enough for the first RC match, therefore wasn't selected on the bench as an attacking option later in the game.
3. He miraculously was fit enough for the next RC match (a whole week later) after the first game didn't go to plan, so was thrown into what was in all likelihood a 'no win' situation for him. (vs the ABs on their home turf). Deans then employed a game plan where Barnes was at first receiver at lineouts (the time when a flyhalf gets the most space)
4. Cooper has a mistake riddled game vs the Pumas, and for the first time I can recall Deans talks to the media about wanting to hook a player (by his comments he was only stopped due to injury to Shipperley)
5. Speculation in the media and comments from Deans indicating that Cooper was under pressure to keep his spot for the SA tour. The only other viable options where one guy that had already been moved from 10 and the other who got dropped from the starting line-up.

It isn't as black and white as you suggest. To me, the handling of Cooper by Deans is what has brought all of this on, so I am astounded that so many are concentrating on the Cooper side of this and not the Deans side.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Scotty]

Nice one Brumbieman.

As many of us said before the first RC game - Deans picked a team for a narrow loss rather than a possible win.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Well,he almost got hooked against Argentina, then if we go back to last year he was humiliated in NZ before his injury.
So I am nonchalant about it.

Quade put people through gaps all game, watch the replay - as soon as someone went to a gap, they got the ball.