QLD Reds 2010

[RugbyReg]

Aaaaaanyway.

Apparently the new coaching structure with new coaches (other than forwards coach) will be announced in the next day or so.

 

[Scotty]

Yeah, he doesn't really look 39, does he. I think he would be great in some role at the Reds, but probably earns too much money elsewhere.

 

[fatprop]

Aaaaaanyway.

Apparently the new coaching structure with new coaches (other than forwards coach) will be announced in the next day or so.

isn't the forwards coach, the most important role ................................

 

[RugbyReg]

Aaaaaanyway.

Apparently the new coaching structure with new coaches (other than forwards coach) will be announced in the next day or so.

isn't the forwards coach, the most important role ................................

yep, so its important to find the right person, not just anyone.

Meanwhile, Helmet is involved:

Former Wallaby and Reds greats Daniel Herbert, Tim Horan and Dan Crowley will play an active role in player recruitment and retention at the QR Reds as part of a new strategy approved by the Queensland Rugby Board.

Herbert will fill the role of Reds General Manager incorporating team management duties as well as professional player negotiations, effective immediately. Former Wallaby selector Horan and Crowley will take on consulting roles, supporting Herbert in developing and mentoring promising and existing players.

All three will join Head Coach Phil Mooney and QAS Reds Academy Coach Paul Carozza on an expanded recruitment and retention panel, headed up by CEO Ken Freer as chief negotiator.

Queensland Rugby Chairman Peter Lewis said Herbert, Horan and Crowley had each played over 100 games for Queensland and won six Super Rugby titles between them. They have collectively played 185 Tests for Australia and all are World Cup winners. Horan and Crowley are two of only five players to have played in two World Cup-winning squads.

"These three men have all played the game at the highest level and gone on to build successful careers outside rugby," Mr Lewis said.

"They will each bring different skills and perspectives to the table and extensive experience in the professional game. They speak the same language as current players and their views are respected. Their influence will go a long way in recruiting and retaining the best players."

Mr Lewis said Herbert had managed Australian businesses abroad and had run his own event management company in France. Since his return to Australia Herbert had done an excellent job project managing the proposed $100m Ballymore Redevelopment as a multi-sport and community complex with sports medicine and athlete facilities.

"Daniel has an extensive network of player contacts in Australia and overseas that we will be able to tap into and he has a good rapport with players. He'll do an excellent job as Team Manager and in helping scout the best talent," Mr Lewis said.

"Tim is a former Wallaby selector and has built a career in property, while Dan Crowley has also established his own successful security business since retiring from the game and the police force. As a former QRU and ARU Board member Dan also knows how the rugby back office works and is not afraid to call a spade a spade.

Most importantly, Queensland Rugby is in their DNA. All three love the game and the Reds and will help promote that culture."

"It's an exciting opportunity and it will be very challenging," said Herbert.

"Through this role I will have a big impact on both the current crop of players as well as to support Phil in building the foundations for the future of the Reds."

Horan was equally positive. "The Reds have enormous promise. With greater self-belief they can surprise a lot of people. It was a huge honour to play for the Reds and now I'm looking forward to helping Phil put Queensland Rugby back where it deserves to be."

Crowley added: "this year's results don't reflect the ability of this team but talent will only get you half way there. If the police force and business taught me anything it's that sacrifice and selflessness are the secrets to any successful team. The three of us are committed to helping Phil build the best possible Reds team."

QR Reds Head coach, Phil Mooney, said: "this new structure provides the Reds with a point of difference and I am excited to have these guys on board."

 

[Scotty]

Those three names alone should help with player retention in providing a feel good factor, even if they don't do anything.

 

[Lindommer]

Why are there all these press announcements with Peter Lewis' name attached? He's the chairman, not the general manager. He's sounds like a lot of the problem in Queensland rugby. If he wants to be hands-on he's obviously not good enough considering Queensland's results the last few years.

 

[TOCC]

FORMER Wallabies centre Daniel Herbert is off to a flying start in his new role as the Reds' chief contract negotiator with veteran hooker Sean Hardman announcing he has no reservations about the direction Queensland rugby is heading.

Like Berrick Barnes, Hardman had held off re-signing with the Reds because of concerns over elements of the Queensland program but the 32-year-old now admits his fears have been allayed, in part by the appointment yesterday of former teammate Herbert as the Reds' general manager.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25748535-5015651,00.html

good news already

 

[formeropenside]

Now the Tahs are trying to poach Digby as well as Barnes. Can't they develop any quality players of their own?

 

[Ash]

Now the Tahs are trying to poach Digby as well as Barnes. Can't they develop any quality players of their own?

This will be interesting, Ioane had verbally agreed to stay at Ballymore. The Tahs are definitely in with a chance though - reportedly (in NSW papers). Ioane is generally regarded as an honest guy, so again, this will be interesting.

One thing that could work against the Tahs is if Ioane looks into how much ball one Tuqiri has received over the last few years...

 

[fatprop]

Now the Tahs are trying to poach Digby as well as Barnes. Can't they develop any quality players of their own?

You got Weeks, Edwards, Humpries, Houston, Byrnes, Daley, The Faingaas, Tirinui etc, it is only fair.

 

[formeropenside]

Now the Tahs are trying to poach Digby as well as Barnes. Can't they develop any quality players of their own?

You got Weeks, Edwards, Humpries, Houston, Byrnes, Daley, The Faingaas, Tirinui etc, it is only fair.

Weeks had years in Sydney club rugby without being wanted, and Edwards was a NZ'er who spent a year in Sydney before coming north. Humphries first turned out for the Reds years ago.

Houston - I've said numerous times we should swap him for Mowen. The Fainga'a's can be donated to the Force or some 5th team, and they came from the Brumbies after the centre was cut (for some reason the Brumbies wanted to keep the hooker).

Byrnes likes punching New South Welshmen - how could we not offer him the chance to do that professionally?

Daley is a Queensland schoolboy. I think he came north when he was very young. I dont know how he becomes a poach.

Anyway, I dont recall any of those players having Tahs contracts, except perhaps Turinui, before they came to Queensland. I certainly can't recall Queensland trying to poach top NSW players - except Elsom perhaps, but he's a Queenslander anyway.

For a State that supposedly produces 65% of Super rugby players, you dont seem to produce a lot of good ones.

 

[fatprop]

Now the Tahs are trying to poach Digby as well as Barnes. Can't they develop any quality players of their own?

You got Weeks, Edwards, Humpries, Houston, Byrnes, Daley, The Faingaas, Tirinui etc, it is only fair.

Weeks had years in Sydney club rugby without being wanted, and Edwards was a NZ'er who spent a year in Sydney before coming north. Humphries first turned out for the Reds years ago.

Houston - I've said numerous times we should swap him for Mowen. The Fainga'a's can be donated to the Force or some 5th team, and they came from the Brumbies after the centre was cut (for some reason the Brumbies wanted to keep the hooker).

Byrnes likes punching New South Welshmen - how could we not offer him the chance to do that professionally?

Daley is a Queensland schoolboy. I think he came north when he was very young. I dont know how he becomes a poach.

Anyway, I dont recall any of those players having Tahs contracts, except perhaps Turinui, before they came to Queensland. I certainly can't recall Queensland trying to poach top NSW players - except Elsom perhaps, but he's a Queenslander anyway.

For a State that supposedly produces 65% of Super rugby players, you dont seem to produce a lot of good ones.

:lmao: calm down, I was just highlighting that players move around whether that is a chance to start, the chance to win more or the chance to earn more money.

The reality is no one leaves unless they want to and I doubt if either will actually move.

 

[cheezel]

This will be interesting, Ioane had verbally agreed to stay at Ballymore. The Tahs are definitely in with a chance though - reportedly (in NSW papers). Ioane is generally regarded as an honest guy, so again, this will be interesting.

Didn't he verbally agree to stay with the force a few years back and then go on to sign with the reds?

 

[RugbyReg]

Morgan T from clubrugby.com.au was suggesting a few things:

- Jim Williams is expected to be involved in some capacity with the Reds, but not until after the Spring tour.
- Tony Darcy and Dan Crowley are names that have been thrown around as being involved in the forward coaching.
- Alec Evans expected to be involved, but possibly purely as a coaching mentor to Phil Mooney.

 

[Ash]

Morgan T from clubrugby.com.au was suggesting a few things:

- Jim Williams is expected to be involved in some capacity with the Reds, but not until after the Spring tour.
- Tony Darcy and Dan Crowley are names that have been thrown around as being involved in the forward coaching.
- Alec Evans expected to be involved, but possibly purely as a coaching mentor to Phil Mooney.

Hmmm, I think that no 1 and No 3 are very good news for the Reds - if they come to fruition. Ultimately, the new forwards coach will be judged on how the Reds understrength pack performs over the next 1 - 2 seasons.

 

[formeropenside]

Morgan T from clubrugby.com.au was suggesting a few things:

- Jim Williams is expected to be involved in some capacity with the Reds, but not until after the Spring tour.
- Tony Darcy and Dan Crowley are names that have been thrown around as being involved in the forward coaching.
- Alec Evans expected to be involved, but possibly purely as a coaching mentor to Phil Mooney.

Alec Evans coached Phil at Brisbane Grammar and at Wests, so there is a little history there.

 

[spectator]

Interesting to see how much influence the 'old guard' still seems to have. Hope these latest machinations yield something positive.

Funnily enough the QRU seems to have got things moving well at junior levels with Qld Schools winning the Nationals 4 years in a row and the 16's national champions last year. No doubt there is plenty talent coming through. The trick is to keep these guys in Qld, at club, Academy and ultimately S14 level.

Not sure how it can be done?

 

[Redsfan]

WALLABIES forward coach Jim Williams is in strong contention to join the Queensland Reds' coaching staff for next year's Super 14 series.

Reds head coach Phil Mooney has been looking for a new forwards coach since the QRU recently decided to let Mark Bell go following a review of the season.

While there is a good chance Williams will assist the Reds, it is not yet a done deal.

It is understood the ARU must decide whether to allow Williams to be involved with the Wallabies and a provincial team at the same time.

The recruitment of Williams would be a positive for the Reds who are trying to lift themselves off the lower end of the Super rugby ladder.

:thumb

 

[formeropenside]

Redsfan, that would be a pretty good outcome. Welcome aboard by the way.

 

[rugbyfreak]

Interesting to see how much influence the 'old guard' still seems to have. Hope these latest machinations yield something positive.

Funnily enough the QRU seems to have got things moving well at junior levels with Qld Schools winning the Nationals 4 years in a row and the 16's national champions last year. No doubt there is plenty talent coming through. The trick is to keep these guys in Qld, at club, Academy and ultimately S14 level.

Not sure how it can be done?

That's the question isn't it. It's all about how much there is left in the kitty. Looking at an article in todays Sunday Mail by Greg Davis talking to Dan Herbert about this exact subject and it sounds like they have Situata and a number of others? tied up. It will be interesting to see which ones miss out and where they end up. Hopefully we get to keep most of the kids that made the Aust Schoolboy sides.