• Welcome to the forums of Green & Gold Rugby.
    We have recently made some changes to the amount of discussions boards on the forum.
    Over the coming months we will continue to make more changes to make the forum more user friendly for all to use.
    Thanks, Admin.

QLD Reds 2010

Status
Not open for further replies.
T

TOCC

Guest
only time will tell, but maybe in the longer term i will be thanking Berrick, maybe his actions have given the necessary kick up the arse to the QRU, the public outcry towards the QRU has been incredible, its about time they realise they have the supporters to answer to.

anyway, things arent entirely that bad for 2010, Turninui returns to the side, McLinden should be a more complete package with another 12months of rugby behind him. For many of the players, they should really be hitting there physical prime and no longer have inexperience or immaturity as a excuse for there poor performances...

Also whilst McMenimen is a loss, Higginbotham has shown he is more then capable of filling that blindside flanker role, i expect to see Rob Simmons take up a lock position beside Horwill.
 

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
Digby has re-signed with the Reds!

Wallabies' Digby Ioane re-signs with Queensland Reds for two seasons

By staff writers
August 01, 2009

Queensland Reds have been boosted by the re-signing of Wallabies outside back Digby Ioane for a further two seasons.
After originally signalling his intent to stay, it was believed Ioane would leave the club, especially in the wake of Berrick Barnes's decision to join New South Wales Waratahs.

Ioane's decision to stay has ended a turbulant week at the Reds, where they also lost key people in the front office.
 

spectator

Bob Davidson (42)
Never in doubt Reddy....see, things are getting better already!!

Good point about the forwards LG, more go forward required bigtime.

A possible game day squad at the front end of the season might be:
1. Holmes 2. Hardman 3. Weekes 4. Horwill 5. Van Humphries 6. Higginbotham 7. Braid 8. Houson 9. Genia 10. Cooper 11. Morahan 12. Turinui 13. Ioane 14. Hynes 15. McLinden 16. Faingga S. 17. Daley 18. Anae 19. Taylor 20. Lucas 21. Chambers 22. Davies/Connor/Faingga A.

Hopefully some of the younger guys I have put down on the bench will be all the better for the run this year and Byrne will probably feature somewhere.

A leadership group of Horwill, Braid and Turinui to provide the right guidance and there might be some hope for a better season than the one just gone.

Injuries though will really test depth.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Great news for the Reds about Ioane - though I would have been the biggest hypocrite and queued up to watch him play for NSW had he come here.

On paper that Qld team looks OK but for me the keys are for the forwards to play:

1. with more grunt and for longer periods
2. with more intelligence (and I will spare everybody 200 words on that)
3. with more discipline (Higginbotham, please note)
4. with patience and poise, especially when the other team has the ball

No need at all for rocket science, or other players.

The backs will be fine if injuries permit, so long as they are not forced to play low percentage footie.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
Thanks Digby. You've given us Reds fans something to smile about for the first time in a while.
 
T

TOCC

Guest
all i can say is that Digby has stood up bigtime, in reality Digby could have taken the easy option and moved to NSW where his walllaby credentials would probably have been boosted having players like Barnes, Mitchell and Waugh around him.

Digby, all i can say is thankyou, you have shown what a great character you have grown into, good luck in 2010.
 

redstragic

Alan Cameron (40)
Just wanted to say thankyou to Digby and Horwill for stating their commitment to the Reds. I don't know how anybody else feels but it is a gut renching torment waiting for the the young group they have to grow up enough to start winning regularly. I thought next year was the year it would start happening and was totally devastated by Barnes decision. I think that Digby, Morgan, Hardman and Horwill are enough to instill enough pride to turn us around.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
WALLABIES star Digby Ioane last night provided Queensland rugby with the antidote to a week of turmoil when he declared: "I'm staying".

With the crisis-stricken Reds reeling from the shock loss of Berrick Barnes, Ioane delivered a ray of hope yesterday when he ended months of uncertainty and confusion by pledging his future to Queensland.

He is expected to sign a two-year deal tomorrow and will be promoted to fill the leadership void left by Barnes, who will join the Waratahs next season.

Desperate for a show of faith from a senior player, Reds rugby manager Dan Herbert met Ioane, 24, last Friday night to pitch the vision for Queensland rugby that Barnes refused to embrace.

And Herbert's hard sell has worked, with Ioane's retention a crucial bargaining chip in Queensland's attempt to retain 19 off-contract players.

In an eventful 48 hours for the embattled Reds: •The QRU board made a desperate move for stability by reaffirming its support for coach Phil Mooney;

•Rugby manager Dan Herbert was mystified by rumours Barnes's decision was partly motivated by a lack of faith in assistant coach Damon Emtage;

•Reds coach Phil Mooney postponed a fact-finding trip to Melbourne to meet with Storm coach Craig Bellamy. Mooney was due to visit tomorrow; and

•Reds consultant Dan Crowley welcomed input from Queensland icons John Eales and John Connolly to help rebuild the province.

Wallabies sensation Ioane had fielded calls from the Waratahs, Brumbies and Force since Barnes's exit but chose to maintain the faith.

"I don't want to give up on Queensland. They've got a group of people here and it would have been a bad look to walk out now. I'm staying," he said.

"Everyone seems to be walking out but there's still hope for Queensland.

"I've had a chat to Dan Herbert about what's going wrong and what their plans are for next year. I told him I wanted to play more of a leadership role. I'm just glad it's all over and I can focus on helping the Reds next year."

Ioane said a heart-to-heart with Peter Hynes and Sean Hardman had tempered his anger towards the Reds at Barnes's walkout.

"I was really angry at first about Berrick and that's why I said I could be leaving but now I've calmed down and put it in perspective," he said.

"I've spoken to Pete and "Hardy" and we feel if we can form a senior group then we can make a difference next year."

With Ioane on board, Crowley said the likes of Eales and Connolly could help off the field. "The fact is we haven't got it right, so now we have to tap into everybody," he said. "We just can't keep doing the same thing. If we're going to change, we have to go full tilt."

Nice article. Iones really standing up and taking responsibility. He will be an important leader amongst the polynesions, and of course the team as a whole.

And Hardy's sticking around it seems.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
And another article. By Andrew Slack who's articles of late have been great at making the observation as to how 'player power' impacts the modern game.

THE cracks, near invisible at the time, started to form around 1996, when CEO Terry Doyle and the Queensland Rugby Union parted ways.

A forthright, outside the square thinker, Doyle had run a very smart ship during the amateur days and was probably just the man to steer the Reds through the transition to professionalism. Not to be.

The cracks widened in 2000 when John Connolly was sacked despite an outstanding coaching record over more than a decade. He irritated too many string-pullers.

His successor, Mark McBain, the last coach to take the Reds to the finals, was shuffled off after two years, to be replaced by me. Bad call by the QRU, bad call by me.

Jeff Miller was the CEO at the time, and I daresay stability may have been attained had he stayed in that position. Selflessly, he took over the coaching reins I had vacated.

He would have been of far greater value in the office.

When the Western Force were formed, the cracks were getting wide enough to be alarming.

They were large enough to drive a truck into when a divisive Eddie Jones was lured to Ballymore.

A couple of CEOs who haven't got the job done, a chairman who, in fairness, tried hard for what seemed the right reasons, but who also ultimately failed to attract and retain proven players, and what we have at Ballymore now is an abyss.

Climbing out and finding firm footing will be a major slog.

Berrick Barnes' decision to walk out has for many, been the last straw. From casual observers to diehard fans of more than 50 years standing, I've been told by all and sundry this week that it's all over for them. The Reds are off their radar.

It's a heavy weight for Barnes to carry, and while it's quite clearly not all his fault, his departure was, for some, the one final act which turned dire into irretrievable.

Berrick is universally liked, but again it is the "it's all about me" approach of the modern athlete which is irritating the loyal fans who are left to wonder how much emotional energy they can continue to waste while supporting their team.

Why did he go? It appears to be one of the very rare times when money was not the deciding factor. In the Barnes camp, there was apparently as much dissatisfaction with middle management issues as with win-loss ratio.

After announcing his decision, he was asked if he had a problem with the coaching set-up at the Reds. He replied: "I'm not going to get into a slanging match with them or you guys (the media) about that sort of stuff."

In other words, yes, he did have a problem with aspects of the coaching.

What player in the history of any sporting code hasn't endured some problems with one coach or another?

Whatever happened to riding the tough times to the bitter end? Sure, Barnes has given his all for Queensland for little reward while wearing red. But he gained a World Cup berth, arguably when his form didn't demand it.

I am sure he does not realise how contagious the "it's all about me" bug is.

His defection already has Digby Ioane and Will Chambers getting a severe dose and you can bet your boots there will be others who have got the symptoms.

The buck stops with the QRU and the hierarchy have clearly been consistently incompetent.

However, you'd like to think there would be one player of influence who would back himself to survive and prosper whatever the difficulties, and in so doing, set the example. Barnes was many people's last hope.

And finally a little par (not on line) about Quade getting in trouble again. Broke a taxi window having a wrestle with mates. Fine 10k. Third off field strike in 5 weeks apparently. And THAT'S our future Reds fans.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
A good article from Eddie jones in the CM. A confession or two there.

******************

Eddie Jones

August 01, 2009 12:00am

EXCLUSIVE: AS a Sydney kid I always had great admiration for Queensland rugby so when the chance came to coach the Reds I was excited.

I agreed in February, 2006. By the time I arrived in mid-2006, the Queensland Rugby Union's chairman, chief executive and high-performance manager had changed.

Funds to buy new players had evaporated so I was relying on 2006 recruitment.

I admit, up front, I don't think I coached well.

I was much too hard on the players, wanting to get results immediately in the 2007 Super 14 rather than building to get results.

When I resigned I was disappointed in my effort at the Reds but felt I made some contribution in pushing for a better infrastructure to be set up.

I found the Reds had no talent ID system, no retention system and the succession planning was poor. The ACT Brumbies I left six years before in 2001 were miles ahead even then.

Queensland rugby grows good players through excellent school systems but the cultivation and retention is poor. The number of Queensland-born and bred boys doing well in rugby and rugby league is huge across Australia.

Unfortunately, the improvement has been slow since 2007. Departed chairman Peter Lewis had the desire but his foot soldiers have struggled through lack of money and possibly knowledge.

Where do the Reds go now?

A solution is there but money, honesty and knowledge need to be meshed with a new Reds culture.

Recruit executive Steve McRoberts from Tourism Queensland who has a passion for rugby. That operation knows how to make money.

A much-needed cash influx would allow this strategy - engage the Australian Institute of Sport to set up a talent ID development and retention system.

The QRU is on the right track with Tim Horan brought into the player retention group. Use Toutai Kefu as an ambassador as well.

The Reds need to start again, develop their youth, keep the best of the crop and the results will flow five years down the track.

Look inward to absorb the responsibility. Look outside the bubble of Reds rugby for world-class solutions.

Remember Queenslanders have disassembled the strongest provincial set-up in the southern hemisphere, under John Connolly in the late '90s, to the shambles of today.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
So there have been some positive views of the effort Peter Lewis has put in, and some mixed views of Barnes' decision.

I don't have an issue with the fact he has decided to move the NSW, but I am extremely angry that prior to making that decision he had indicated that he was going to stay. It is like say 'all is good mate, should be signing soon', just to wait until they turned around so he could stab them in the back. If the issue really was with some of the coaching staff - then that was always going to be the isssue, so he give off murmurs he was going to re-sign?

My opinion is that us Reds fans should be very angry at the way Barnes has handled this whole situation, much angrier that how the previous losses of Moore and Sharpe went down. Everyone seemed to like Barnes due to his work ethic and maturity, however I believe he has shown a distinct lack of maturity, and distinct lack of ethics (work or otherwise) in this situation. The more I think about it the angrier I get.
 

cheezel

Bill Watson (15)
I'm with you Scotty. Are the Wallabies playing any games at Suncorp this year? If so Barnes is in for a rude shock.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
yep v the Boks in Sept.

What's the feeling with Mooney guys? Part of me thinks that we need stability so keep him as the last thing we need is ANOTHER coach. But part of me things we need a marquee coach who's going to attract players.

In the end I guess the very basic decision become (1) do we build from the ground up utilising a lot of our young stars - Slipper, Hanson, Anae, Simmons, Schatz, Shaw, Quirk, Lance, Toua, Morohan etc) or (2) do we need to strike earlier and bring in some big name stars?
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Noddy said:
yep v the Boks in Sept.

What's the feeling with Mooney guys? Part of me thinks that we need stability so keep him as the last thing we need is ANOTHER coach. But part of me things we need a marquee coach who's going to attract players.

In the end I guess the very basic decision become (1) do we build from the ground up utilising a lot of our young stars - Slipper, Hanson, Anae, Simmons, Schatz, Shaw, Quirk, Lance, Toua, Morohan etc) or (2) do we need to strike earlier and bring in some big name stars?

You need a decent forward coach, a defence coach, a decent fitness coach and a realistic game plan. This fling it wide crap failed badly to win games.

I wonder what Steve Tuynman is up to, he was bloody good at the Tahs.
 

cheezel

Bill Watson (15)
I like Mooney, I think he should be given atleast another 2 years. As fatprop said we need a excellent forwards coach, fitness coach and defence coach. Fitness should be judged on how many players get injured during the season and the size of Houstons arse. I guess two of the most injury prone players were MMM and BB, so we can hope that we get more stability from week to week.

I'd like to see a quality marquee player after Braid leaves. As solid as Braid is, he's not the most exciting player to grace the field. If the reds are smart they'll get someone who other players would love to play beside.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
I wonder what Steve Nance is doing – he’d be good to get in on the conditioning side of things
 

redstragic

Alan Cameron (40)
Just on the being angry at Barnes thing. I too felt an amazing sense of anger at him him until I thought about how many talented inside backs the Tahs have turned into chronic under performers in the last decade.
 
T

TOCC

Guest
I rate Mooney, and by all accounts the players and heirachy like Mooney as well, he has the potential to be a very good coach, his still trying to find his feet in the professional world, he wasnt exactly surrounded with experience or success so it was always going to be hard.

All good clubs need a good culture, Mooney IMO harnesses the culture and leadership aspects, he has a very 'Wayne Bennet' deameanour about him, I want to see him remain with the club in 2011 at least, continuity and a succession planning is essential.

Like the team though, Mooney is still learning and in a coaching sense he is still very young, realistically mooney should have had a mentor of some sort to help him through the first 12monts of professional rugby, undoubtedly theres been mistakes his made and wrong choices made due to lack of experience.

Back to the topic of Barnes, at the end of the day, its not like the Reds were holding him back, if anything the added responsibility at the Reds had helped him develop further as a player, he is a starting Wallaby and he was also lauded with the Wallaby vice-captaincy against Italy earlier this year.

Im past the Berrick saga now, Ioane has helped me restore my faith somewhat.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
redstragic said:
Just on the being angry at Barnes thing. I too felt an amazing sense of anger at him him until I thought about how many talented inside backs the Tahs have turned into chronic under performers in the last decade.

Can you name a few talented inside backs the Tahs have turned into chronic under-performers?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top