QLD Reds 2010
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Yeah your probably right Noddy, but its that sort of old school thinking bullshit which is holding the QRU back...
why in this 21st century do you need a figure head, why would you keep dead wood in the organisation, trim the fat and get the qru into the professional era.
I dont understand how they fail so badly, Broncos are only around the corner and are a example of possibly a perfect way to run a professional club. Even Sunnybank Rugby Union turns over profits of $3million, why cant the QRU take not of whats happening around them.
why in this 21st century do you need a figure head, why would you keep dead wood in the organisation, trim the fat and get the qru into the professional era.
I dont understand how they fail so badly, Broncos are only around the corner and are a example of possibly a perfect way to run a professional club. Even Sunnybank Rugby Union turns over profits of $3million, why cant the QRU take not of whats happening around them.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
I'm not sure of Horans credentials as CEO, but he would at least be a big and respected name at the top. As for Miller, well he seemed to be doing a good job, and the Reds slide coincided with him stepping out from behind the desk and taking the coaching role. You could probably question his decision making ability with that one.
Lewis seems to be the one behind the redevelopment of Ballymore (not surprisingly as he is a property developer), and if that all comes off the Reds should be in a much better financial position long term. The project has taken a few hits along the way, notable from the ARU and Rudd government, but it is still running and may still work out very well.
I'm also not sure he was solely responsible for the hiring of Freer - surely that is ultimately a board decision?
Lewis seems to be the one behind the redevelopment of Ballymore (not surprisingly as he is a property developer), and if that all comes off the Reds should be in a much better financial position long term. The project has taken a few hits along the way, notable from the ARU and Rudd government, but it is still running and may still work out very well.
I'm also not sure he was solely responsible for the hiring of Freer - surely that is ultimately a board decision?
Scotty said:
yeah, you're right, but my reading of it all was that Lewis wanted his imprint on the place and Freer was the first step.
Unfortunately for Lewis his own company is in fairly dire straights, so I can't see him hanging around at the QRU for much longer anyway.
As for the Development of Ballymore. That was Herbie's job. I wonder if he's been replaced?
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Scarfman said:
and for many people, particularly those that have come to Qld from Sydney and are familiar with NSWRU and Sydney rugby, that is the real reason why Qld rugby and the QRU are where they are at.
i have said before and i stand by it - Qld rugbywill never improve as long as the REDS are controlled by the QRU - they must become a separate stand alone franchised business.
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
rugbywhisperer said:
I don't think many people here will disagree with that. The QRU have tried getting businessmen to run the Reds though, and failed. Miller, actually, isn't such a option.
But regarding what Horan and Herbert have been saying (and I have the utmost respect for those guys) - don't forget they were products of the amateur era. It still appears that the QRU and Reds have never really transitioned into the professional well at all.
Ok, looking at contracts and what we know:
Those contracted through to 2011:
Leroy Houston, Will Chambers, Ben Daley, Greg Holmes, James Horwill.
That's an important base. Houston needs to lift his game big time unfortunately. Find that form he had at the start of the season and find the fitness to hold onto it all season. Daley, Holmes and Horwill are important tight five players. Chambers will hopefully be a success and some sort of fan profile figure.
2010:
Ben Lucas, Saia Fainga'a, Anthony Fainga'a, Peter Hynes, Blair Connor, Robert Simmons, James Hanson, Rodney Davies, Aiden Toua, Dayna Edwards, Scott Higginbotham, Poutasi Luafutu, Brando Vaalu, Charlie Fetoai, Quade Cooper, Adam Byrnes, Laurie Weeks, Jack Kennedy, Mark McLinden, Morgan Turinui, Ezra Taylor, Daniel Braid.
Obviously Braid will leave but I would suspect each and everyone else will be looking elsewhere. With the emergence of the 5th franchise, there is an opportunity for them to pick up some half decent talent racing to get away from BAllymore (unless things change big time). That's a team of:
15 McLinden; 14 Hynes; 13 Turinui (more likely to go OS I expect); 12 Fainga'a; 11 Connor; 10 Cooper; 9 Lucas; 8 Taylor; 7 Luafutu; 6 Higginbottham; 5 Simmons; 4 Byrnes; 3 Weekes; 2 Fainga'a; 1 Kennedy.
Then this year we still are working out what's happening with:
Van Humphreys, Will Genia, Digby Ione, Sean Hardman
Obviously academy players aren't here and we seem to have some talent coming through, but its all points to the vital role Herbie, Timmy, Crowls and the new CEO have now.
Hmmm speaking of CEOs....I wonder if Pat Howard might consider it???
Those contracted through to 2011:
Leroy Houston, Will Chambers, Ben Daley, Greg Holmes, James Horwill.
That's an important base. Houston needs to lift his game big time unfortunately. Find that form he had at the start of the season and find the fitness to hold onto it all season. Daley, Holmes and Horwill are important tight five players. Chambers will hopefully be a success and some sort of fan profile figure.
2010:
Ben Lucas, Saia Fainga'a, Anthony Fainga'a, Peter Hynes, Blair Connor, Robert Simmons, James Hanson, Rodney Davies, Aiden Toua, Dayna Edwards, Scott Higginbotham, Poutasi Luafutu, Brando Vaalu, Charlie Fetoai, Quade Cooper, Adam Byrnes, Laurie Weeks, Jack Kennedy, Mark McLinden, Morgan Turinui, Ezra Taylor, Daniel Braid.
Obviously Braid will leave but I would suspect each and everyone else will be looking elsewhere. With the emergence of the 5th franchise, there is an opportunity for them to pick up some half decent talent racing to get away from BAllymore (unless things change big time). That's a team of:
15 McLinden; 14 Hynes; 13 Turinui (more likely to go OS I expect); 12 Fainga'a; 11 Connor; 10 Cooper; 9 Lucas; 8 Taylor; 7 Luafutu; 6 Higginbottham; 5 Simmons; 4 Byrnes; 3 Weekes; 2 Fainga'a; 1 Kennedy.
Then this year we still are working out what's happening with:
Van Humphreys, Will Genia, Digby Ione, Sean Hardman
Obviously academy players aren't here and we seem to have some talent coming through, but its all points to the vital role Herbie, Timmy, Crowls and the new CEO have now.
Hmmm speaking of CEOs....I wonder if Pat Howard might consider it???
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
Short of a miracle, we can expect the loss of Ioane, and also likely Chambers before he even arrives. Disaster looming. I hope a miracle happens, but I doubt it. However, I actually think Hardman might be the kind of guy to stick around in this mess.
Hopefully this will bring on the turnaround/cleanout needed, though. I am actually hoping Miller comes back and brings in part of his private equity solution. With some help from the ARU.
<cheap shot time>Until then, I guess we expect bad things and put up with a few of the Tah fans gloating around here...funnily enough, the same people who used to bitch about Queenslanders putting themself ahead of Australian rugby. Guess we all love a hypocrite! Even one of my friends, who is a rabid Tahs supporter, was mourning the death of the Reds yesterday as sad for Australian rugby...</cheap shot time>
The remaining 7.41 Reds supporters/fans in the whole world need all the help they can get right now.
Hopefully this will bring on the turnaround/cleanout needed, though. I am actually hoping Miller comes back and brings in part of his private equity solution. With some help from the ARU.
<cheap shot time>Until then, I guess we expect bad things and put up with a few of the Tah fans gloating around here...funnily enough, the same people who used to bitch about Queenslanders putting themself ahead of Australian rugby. Guess we all love a hypocrite! Even one of my friends, who is a rabid Tahs supporter, was mourning the death of the Reds yesterday as sad for Australian rugby...</cheap shot time>
The remaining 7.41 Reds supporters/fans in the whole world need all the help they can get right now.
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Paul Alo-Emile(Aus Schoolboys THP) has been offered a Reds Academy contract for 2010, but he has also had Western Force and the Brumbies sniffing around.
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It doesn't do anything for local talent, sure, but I think the ARU should give us special dispensation to sign a couple of extra foreigners to get some experience in the side, especially if Ioane leaves and Chambers bails.
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TOCC said:
He'll stay! I wonder how many of his Aust School mates will?
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
That's a good question - and the recent news won't help matters.
Everybody should have been sniffing around PAE - as I said in the schoolboy forum: this kid is dynamite and has Super14 written all over him. I've seen a few good school LHPs in my day but this lad is a THP who makes the the RH hand side of the scrum as steady as a rock - or moves it forward as needed for the amount allowed by schools laws - just about every time.
He is tough in the physical contests, yet light on his feet around the park. Big kid.
He wasn't the only good THP in the comp either, and I have never said that after an Oz Schools tournament.
The other lad that the Reds should acquire is winger Kimani Situata from Nudgee College though every rugby league club would be after him also. Think of a 17 y.o. Lote Tuqiri.
That's bad news that Chambers is shaky. They should take Turinui into any talks they have with him as he is an articulate, affable fellow who relates well with young people. He should offer to mentor Chambers and I think he could do it well, even if he is not in the Reds starting team himself.
I saw Chambers at Kogarah last night for the Storm against the Dragons. Hadn't been to the ground for a while and it has been modernised to the extent that it's almost unrecognisable. Was a wonderful night for a Dragons fan and family and was a top game with top players. Made me a bit envious of the quality of the product, in the sense of it being the preferred product of people in the city, and envious that union has nothing like it domestically.
But I digress - Chambers played OK but like a lot of league players: not looking as good when defence is good. On the other hand Slater and Inglis looked lethal every time they had the pill; though thankfully their efforts were often cut short. Even my son, a league freak, said Inglis is wasting his time in the 13 man code.
And what about Wendell Sailor - how well is he playing, and how popular with the crowd?
Everybody should have been sniffing around PAE - as I said in the schoolboy forum: this kid is dynamite and has Super14 written all over him. I've seen a few good school LHPs in my day but this lad is a THP who makes the the RH hand side of the scrum as steady as a rock - or moves it forward as needed for the amount allowed by schools laws - just about every time.
He is tough in the physical contests, yet light on his feet around the park. Big kid.
He wasn't the only good THP in the comp either, and I have never said that after an Oz Schools tournament.
The other lad that the Reds should acquire is winger Kimani Situata from Nudgee College though every rugby league club would be after him also. Think of a 17 y.o. Lote Tuqiri.
That's bad news that Chambers is shaky. They should take Turinui into any talks they have with him as he is an articulate, affable fellow who relates well with young people. He should offer to mentor Chambers and I think he could do it well, even if he is not in the Reds starting team himself.
I saw Chambers at Kogarah last night for the Storm against the Dragons. Hadn't been to the ground for a while and it has been modernised to the extent that it's almost unrecognisable. Was a wonderful night for a Dragons fan and family and was a top game with top players. Made me a bit envious of the quality of the product, in the sense of it being the preferred product of people in the city, and envious that union has nothing like it domestically.
But I digress - Chambers played OK but like a lot of league players: not looking as good when defence is good. On the other hand Slater and Inglis looked lethal every time they had the pill; though thankfully their efforts were often cut short. Even my son, a league freak, said Inglis is wasting his time in the 13 man code.
And what about Wendell Sailor - how well is he playing, and how popular with the crowd?
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yeah i know what you mean by been envious of what was on display at kograh last night, it had a fantastic atmosphere and the quality of rugby league that went with it was also impressive....
Is it possible that the Reds could sign Karmichael Hunt for 2010 prior to him joining AFL?
He brings a level of maturity, he also comes with a profile that could boost the exposure of the Reds for 2010 at least.
My only feeling is that by the time he finds his feet in the game he will be leaving.
Is it possible that the Reds could sign Karmichael Hunt for 2010 prior to him joining AFL?
He brings a level of maturity, he also comes with a profile that could boost the exposure of the Reds for 2010 at least.
My only feeling is that by the time he finds his feet in the game he will be leaving.
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TOCC,
The ARU will say no. JON didn't let MMM stay on, he won't let Hunt come over.
The ARU will say no. JON didn't let MMM stay on, he won't let Hunt come over.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Barnes' departure is disappointing, no doubt, but we will get over it. I think his leadership will be missed more than anything else, so a few of the older players will need to step up in that regard.
A glass half full says that Genia will be dynamite at the scrumbase, Quade Cooper will step up finally in terms of maturity and ability to control a backline, Morgs will provide the right balance at 12, Lucas will be a more than capable backup at 10, and Digby will run riot at 13.
Berrick's departure is a blow but it won't be that bad for the Reds in 2010.
Finally, wish BB well, no such thing as loyalty in todays game, except maybe from rugby fans, and he does seem like a good bloke.
A glass half full says that Genia will be dynamite at the scrumbase, Quade Cooper will step up finally in terms of maturity and ability to control a backline, Morgs will provide the right balance at 12, Lucas will be a more than capable backup at 10, and Digby will run riot at 13.
Berrick's departure is a blow but it won't be that bad for the Reds in 2010.
Finally, wish BB well, no such thing as loyalty in todays game, except maybe from rugby fans, and he does seem like a good bloke.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Well said speckie.
As valuable as Barnes has been to the Reds it is the diffident forwards who are the crux of the Reds rugby problems. Get them going forward and nabbing a bit of opposition ball and any Qld backline will do better, even one without Barnes.
The backs did some great things last year from time to time but it took a bit of brilliancy. Good forward work allows backs to play with a bit of pattern and basic rugby. Brilliancies are fine to have but can't be relied upon to occur with regularity.
As valuable as Barnes has been to the Reds it is the diffident forwards who are the crux of the Reds rugby problems. Get them going forward and nabbing a bit of opposition ball and any Qld backline will do better, even one without Barnes.
The backs did some great things last year from time to time but it took a bit of brilliancy. Good forward work allows backs to play with a bit of pattern and basic rugby. Brilliancies are fine to have but can't be relied upon to occur with regularity.
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