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QLD GPS Rugby 2018

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
I guess Wilson , Jock and Jesse will get their shot next year

So there is always that

It's a great list Taipan168 , and thanks for sharing - 11 back out of TSS's 23 next year but not much in their 16A's outside of a couple of key guys so will have to rely on similar profile of lads from Seconds and this year's 15A's

Random question - but any idea how many in Nudgee's 23 will be back next year ? ( I'm guessing 6 to 7 ? ) Their 16A's will be pretty good this year and should finish 1st or 2nd

Terrace , I think , will have a few more coming back in their 23 (should be around 8 ) but will probably have to rely on a few key guys in their 15A's to step up

BBC's number seems like it will 13 guys out of the 23 returning and a bunch from this year's 16A's that will battle it out with Nudgee . Pretty good talent in the 15A's notwithstanding some early season injury disappointments
 

The Engine Room

Ted Fahey (11)
Can anyone enlighten what impact of the coming ATAR system will have on those schools (ie. TSS) that play the completing Grades 11-12 over three years?
 

Ali Barber

Allen Oxlade (6)
I find the level of expertise and understanding of schoolboy sport espoused by some parents/posters also very humorous.

I can only assume that these are ex-wallaby's or are level 3 coaches that have experience at the highest/elite level of the sport.
Being an Ex-Wallaby at any coaching level or any coach whether level 1, 2, 3 or Grand Master doesn’t necessarily mean they could Select a Team or Coach a Choko vine over an Outhouse wall. It often comes down to who has the biggest voice and the skills of a Lobbyist !
 

Rugrat

Darby Loudon (17)
I find the level of expertise and understanding of schoolboy sport espoused by some parents/posters also very humorous.

I can only assume that these are ex-wallaby's or are level 3 coaches that have experience at the highest/elite level of the sport.
Maybe they are just parents or club coaches that have seen the age group kids play for ten years rather than two games. I have seen a few kids picked over the years in rep teams that show speed and attacking ability but lack basic defence. Just saying selection isn’t always about the rugby brains of the coach/ selector either. Cheika I presume by your standards is a suitably impressive creditialed coach but I reckon he gets selections wrong occasionally.
 

Realist

Chris McKivat (8)
Maybe they are just parents or club coaches that have seen the age group kids play for ten years rather than two games. I have seen a few kids picked over the years in rep teams that show speed and attacking ability but lack basic defence. Just saying selection isn’t always about the rugby brains of the coach/ selector either. Cheika I presume by your standards is a suitably impressive creditialed coach but I reckon he gets selections wrong occasionally.

With the selections having to be made before our GPS season has even started means reputation plays a big part and not just current form and so things become very subjective. I am sure there will be a number of Kids that will put their hands up during the season and people will wonder why they never made the rep side, like wise the opposite will be said about some of those that have made it in. The only fair way to make the best decisions is at the end of the season when there has been plenty of time to look at them and also to see how they physically hold up, especially in this age group as maturity can have an impact on current form. But as we currently know this is impossibility at the moment with how the Australian schoolboy calendar is set up.
 

Confucius Say

Colin Windon (37)
The updated Owens book as at 23/5/2018



TSS - $1.50

Nudgee - $2.75

Terrace - $5.00

BBC - $8.00

Churchie ( the big market mover ) $15.00

IGS -$20.00

TGS -$25.00

BSHS - $30.00

BGS - $50.00



Get Some



What are the bet book look like now after all the trial played? Any shift in the sentiment?
 

The Nomad

Bob Davidson (42)
Not sure if I've seen all QLD Trial teams in one place before

https://rugbynews.net.au/qld-schools-2018-gps-aic-css-representative-teams-announced/

Also seems to be a few changes - no Parata ?
Yep , Parata withdrew from the trials . Pasitoa has been moved from the Gold bench to the starting 10 for Navy.

Not sure of the reason..... injury? Or other commitments?

Injuries could still see some further changes and possible movement between the benches.


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Torpedo Punt

Herbert Moran (7)
Can anyone enlighten what impact of the coming ATAR system will have on those schools (ie. TSS) that play the completing Grades 11-12 over three years?


ER If you look a page or 2 ago we got completely lost in the maths on this one so dont hold me to it but next years seniors are in a smaller " talent" intake due to their intake starting on Jan 1 and finishing on June 30 born 2002. prep starting at a July 1 2002 intake for a full year.

Mathematically both 2018 and 2019 should be affected with 2019 being the most affected.2020 will be back to full year seniors and below.

Even though it was a half year some schools still had the same size intake...it was just easier to get in...but mathmatically talent had to be spread yeh ? Some schools didnt manage to fill all spots and some did ( read big advantage for schools with lower school fees. )

ATAR over 3 years will be as popular as repeating Grade 12 ..not very.

Comprendez ?
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
ER If you look a page or 2 ago we got completely lost in the maths on this one so dont hold me to it but next years seniors are in a smaller " talent" intake due to their intake starting on Jan 1 and finishing on June 30 born 2002. prep starting at a July 1 2002 intake for a full year.

Mathematically both 2018 and 2019 should be affected with 2019 being the most affected.2020 will be back to full year seniors and below.

Even though it was a half year some schools still had the same size intake.it was just easier to get in.but mathmatically talent had to be spread yeh ? Some schools didnt manage to fill all spots and some did ( read big advantage for schools with lower school fees. )

ATAR over 3 years will be as popular as repeating Grade 12 ..not very.

Comprendez ?

If we’re attempting to frame all this in a Mathematical context - I don’t believe it is as one dimensional , or as linear , in the way it has been explained

Far from it

If anything - you could make an argument , with good support of facts, that the transition has led to a greater accumulation and consolidation of talent

Firstly , the main thing everyone has to remember , is that School Years may run June to July , Age Group's for Rugby still run in the year you are born in ( except for under age teams in AIC of course where they play Grade )

Secondly, for the Class of 2019 , the assumption , of increased choice due to a number of January to June births being held back , that Schools with the lower fee base got bigger enrolments and therefore ( in a singular dimension ) more talent - is flawed. It is worth noting that this Class of 2019 were all 10 -11 years old in 2012 and just about to make the jump into the first year of middle school ( Grade 7 ) Consider the back end of the GFC and the Resources tail that was wagging the dog - a big assed $AUD for families that were exposed to service retail or export industries , and , in SEQ , how this may have impacted educational institutions attitudes to fee concessions. When addressing the issue of "talent" in this Class of 2019 - at least two thirds , IE :6 out of 9 ( and it's more like 7 ) , have all played ball , across a number of sports - but Rugby in particular, to build and consolidate talent . It is undeniable . Inarguable. And they have done so because they have had spare capacity - not just because of some overanxious parents who chose to hold their boys back to give them an advantage ( which from a Rugby impact in denial of "talent" to the Age Group had no impact anyway ) - but also because of some big assed, game changing, global factors in the post GFC / short term Resources boom of the 2010 to 2012 world - that drove "the two tiered" economy ( that was buzz speak at the time )

Thirdly , if you accept that 6 to 7 of the 9 member GPS Schools have been building and augmenting the Class of 2019 for some time , on a year on year basis - to varying degrees - but most on greater levels that they have ever done ( on a historical basis ) , then by extension , you would also have to accept that the Class of 2019 has been a Class of accumulation and consolidation from as far and wide as The Northern Territory , to North QLD to Central QLD , to Sunshine Coast , Gold Coast , Country NSW , South Australia and Western Australia - and , locally , on a ( cost ) like for like basis from School A to School B . Some have done better in their choice and ongoing development of talent compared to others to date - and I guess the final burden of proof will be on the outcomes of where it all ends up come the end of 2019.

But to suggest the Class of 2019 is a weak year because they were the first year impacted by the transition - is far from reality.

In simple summary - in Rugby terms , you lost none of the year group that stayed behind a year in the class room , and if anything , the lower overall numbers in this year group probably has led to a greater than normal level of talent accumulation .

I'm not saying it absolutely will - but there is a reasonable chance that in time , from solely a Rugby perspective , people might look back on the Class of 2019 and 2020 in the same way they look back at 2014 and 2015 and who and what came from those Classes
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
In this thought around transition to ATAR and its possible impacts over the last few pages it was good to see TSS's squad and broken down into Grade 12 and 11 , but where , it would seem - that those Grade 11 Boys are basically of Opens Age , meaning , TSS is likely to have a minimum of 11 x 18 year olds back next year + whoever is knocking around in their 2nds this year

That's a big number .

Nudgee seem to have 3 guys from their current squad who will be 18 next year - and again - whoever else they have knocking around in their 2nds

Terrace would also seem to have 3 guys from their current squad who will be back and 18 next year + whoever else from the 2nds ( I hear another 2 or 3 who are turning 18 will be likely )

BBC figure to have 5 or 6

So Nudgee , Terrace and BBC about the same at 5 to 6 each with TSS about double the number
 

Keeper

Bob McCowan (2)
Could someone please start another thread QLD GPS Rugby 2019? Might reduce traffic on this thread by 50% and focus it on this season not next.
 
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