Pumas vs Wallabies, 25th July 2015, Mendoza

[KOB1987]

So naya and Arnold ditched. Anyone else?


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[Viking]

1. Sio
2. Moore.
3. Kepu
4. Simmons
5. Horwill
6. Fardy
7. Hooper
8. Pocock
9. Phipps
10. Coooper
11. Tomane
12. To'omua
13. Kuridrani
14. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
15. Folau

Persisting with Cooper - should be much better with Phipps providing quick service and To'omua on his inside.

Slipper to be rested. Keep Kepu to test new front row combinations and Holmes to come again early.

Skelton and Higgers gone, Horwill in, The Hooper and Pocock combo to be Tested.

 

[TOCC]

Skelton isn't going to get better by not playing, with an eye on the RWC I say keep starting him... He will only get better, we already know what Horwil can offer.


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[Inside Shoulder]

Giteau and Genia in doubt


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That would be based on from

 

[TOCC]

That would be based on from

If it were based on the form from that match then you could add another few names to that list..


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[Viking]

Skelton isn't going to get better by not playing, with an eye on the RWC I say keep starting him. He will only get better, we already know what Horwil can offer.


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I'd rather have Hooper and Poey on the field, that it not possible with Skelton. Skelton can come off the bench and provide impact.

 

[Slim 293]

If you're going to start with both Pocock and Hooper then you need another lock who is a set piece specialist...........

The problem then is who would you take off for Skelton? Because Pocock and Hooper are going to go 80 mins..............

 

[Ruggo]

Skelton isn't going to get better by not playing, with an eye on the RWC I say keep starting him. He will only get better, we already know what Horwil can offer.


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If we are going to turn Wallaby selections into a basis for players to practice the fundamentals of their positions, we are stuffed. Yep we know what Horwill offers, we seen what Horwill offers and dare I say our front row felt what Horwill offers. Take the name Horwill out of the equation and leave it at what a conventional lock who is astute in the fundamentals of the position can offer.

 

[Ruggo]

If you're going to start with both Pocock and Hooper then you need another lock who is a set piece specialist.....

The problem then is who would you take off for Skelton? Because Pocock and Hooper are going to go 80 mins......

Were set Slim, we left Arnold at home and we have Mumm on the plane.

Pissed off because we need to see if Arnold can cut it. Not saying he will outright but we sure need to find out. Sooner the fucking better.

 

[TOCC]

If we are going to turn Wallaby selections into a basis for players to practice the fundamentals of their positions, we are stuffed. Yep we know what Horwill offers, we seen what Horwill offers and dare I say our front row felt what Horwill offers. Take the name Horwill out of the equation and leave it at what a conventional lock who is astute in the fundamentals of the position can offer.

No that's not what I said...
Skelton earned his selection through his Super Rugby form and proved himself to be one of Australia's best locks, there are few who disputes that. One bad game shouldn't be the trigger to drop him, he isn't the kind of player who improves form through been dropped so if you want to improve the team the dropping Skelton after one bad game isn't the solution.

As for the comments about the scrum performance, well as a Reds fan it hurts me to say this but much of the pressure was been applied trough the loose head side, which had Slipper at prop and Simmons at lock.

The improvement later in the match could be attributed to new props from both teams not just the inclusion of Horwill.


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[Sword of Justice]

Won't be surprised if Cheika tests Foley and Phipps this game.

I think we should go with Phipps, Cooper, To'omua but we might see Phipps, Foley, Giteau or To'omua.

 

[Froggy]

I would like to see
Sio
Moore
Kepu
Simmons
Horwill
Fardy
Hooper
McCalman
Phipps
Cooper
Tomane
To'omua
Kuridrani
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Folau

TPN
Slipper
Holmes
Skelton
Pocock
White
Foley
Mitchell

 

[Shelts89]

No that's not what I said.
Skelton earned his selection through his Super Rugby form and proved himself to be one of Australia's best locks, there are few who disputes that. One bad game shouldn't be the trigger to drop him,

Have him on the bench? He always looks best to me when running against a tired defence due to the fact that he is Fing huge.

 

[Lorenzo]

Hard to see giteau being picked over To'omua at 12 if someone else plays 10. They gave him a run to see what he was 4 years on and it's pretty clear that he's about what he was when he last played tests. I.e does some good, some bad, but not really up to it (1st XV, that is).

 

[Quick Hands]

What is it about the Argies putting us in Mendoza all the time - this will be 3 tests on the trot and we haven't played in Buenos Aries since 2002. I'm not bothered about the town or the ground per se, it just seems to be a difficult place to fly to when you have a 7 day turnaround between tests.

 

[Strewthcobber]

What is it about the Argies putting us in Mendoza all the time - this will be 3 tests on the trot and we haven't played in Buenos Aries since 2002. I'm not bothered about the town or the ground per se, it just seems to be a difficult place to fly to when you have a 7 day turnaround between tests.

Probably the same reason we have played them at the Gold Coast and Perth

 

[dru]

As for the comments about the scrum performance, well as a Reds fan it hurts me to say this but much of the pressure was been applied trough the loose head side, which had Slipper at prop and Simmons at lock.

The improvement later in the match could be attributed to new props from both teams not just the inclusion of Horwill.

Re watched the game with an eye to the scrums today. Really expected to blast Skelton, but you're right TOCC. Things were happening on the LH side with both Slipper and Simmons. Skelton scrummed poorly, but was not at all the only weak point.

Part of it was the breakaways, and Hooper not pushing. Though again, he was occasionally quite good. Fardy was great at the scrum.

But I do think Horwill deserves credit.

 

[mudskipper]

Expect Skelton, Phipps & Tomane & Pocock to start...with Cooper/Giteau/Kurdrani/AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)/Folau
Props not sure but all win certainly get a run... likely same order as this weekend...

 

[qwerty51]

Probably the same reason we have played them at the Gold Coast and Perth

But it's their only home game this time.

 

[Groucho]

Hard to disagree with what you're saying Shelts. If Giteau defends at 10 (and To'omua at 12) off lineouts/scrums, I'd be content with that backline.

McCalman (or Palu if Cheiks want to temporarily halt his extended rest) in for Higgers, who I presume will be relegated to the bench.

I would however start Skelton again, and seriously consider starting Pocock against the Argies for his skillset - even though Hooper did little wrong. This would be predicated on whether Skelton can jump enough to be a viable lineout option, or if he can be a lifter for Hooper/Pocock or Palu/McCalman.

Starting Sio and Holmes could be an option, but I doubt Cheiks will want to tinker around with the lineup too much.

I think Cheika very much intends to tinker with the lineup. More than just tinker. Yesterday's team was experimental in many respects.