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Pressure on the Waratahs to make the Finals

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Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
My very last post on this thread - you neatly sidestepped what I stated WJ, play decent RUGBY including good skills and the fans will come. You comments about age groupsshows you have no idea about business at all. Why do you want to alienate perhaps the largest and fastest growing group in Oz? They also have the disposable income to spend on games as they are the empty nesters who no longer have other competing responsibilities to take their income.

In any event the Tahs have no hope, zero, none at all of stealing market share from the other codes while they play such dire skillless Rugby. So your pze dream of a younger audience is not practicle if the issues are not dealt with. Then you have the problem of the FACT that your target audience of with upper limit of 35 will be moving out of your demographic by the time we get the needed turn around if the issues are allowed to develope into a full financial collapse QRU style.

Your belief that the Force was responsible for the Reds problems is also erroneous in that the players were leaving before then except for a hardened core and players unlikely to get a start elsewhere. The true fact is also the culture and systems at the QRU at the time was so toxic few wanzted to stay. Have a talk to some who have been involved at the QRU since then and they can confirm this.

I am happy to see some debate on the underlying issues it was the whole purpose behind the thread I started a few weeks ago. Stop and think about the fact that you are largely alone in your effusive support for the Tahs WJ. Ask youself why are long term fans, probably longer term than you have been alive, are leaving in droves, not leaving the game, just the Tahs? Just here the fans I reagrd as the feral Rugby tragics like myself qnd scarfie et al are saying they won't be watching the Tahs after 30 years of support, and your response if f*&%# em they are a waste. Are you sure your surname isn't hickey?
 

Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
On occasion I am very critical of the 'Tahs because they don't seem to have a coherent game plan but their results are not exactly abysmal. They still are in strong contention for a finals berth.

But I would never consider not watching them even if they were at the bottom of the table. They're my team, warts and all.
 

jay-c

Ron Walden (29)
On occasion I am very critical of the 'Tahs because they don't seem to have a coherent game plan but their results are not exactly abysmal. They still are in strong contention for a finals berth.

But I would never consider not watching them even if they were at the bottom of the table. They're my team, warts and all.

i agree wuth all> ill watch em through thick an thin >
im really getting sick an tired of their short term flaky solutions to what i see as massive problems all through the organization.
ill still get up this weekend at 3am... but it sure is getting harder
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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On occasion I am very critical of the 'Tahs because they don't seem to have a coherent game plan but their results are not exactly abysmal. They still are in strong contention for a finals berth.

But I would never consider not watching them even if they were at the bottom of the table. They're my team, warts and all.

You are right Bruce. They currently shit me to tears, I will admit I often don't get up at 3 am to watch them (that's why Rupert invented Foxtel iQ), and I am loving watching the Reds at the moment. But if you are a NSWelshman, that is that, and that is the Tahs. In some remote corner of my mind I remember them demolishing Wales and England in the early 90's and hope I see some of that style again.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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You are right Bruce. They currently shit me to tears, I will admit I often don't get up at 3 am to watch them (that's why Rupert invented Foxtel iQ), and I am loving watching the Reds at the moment. But if you are a NSWelshman, that is that, and that is the Tahs. In some remote corner of my mind I remember them demolishing Wales and England in the early 90's and hope I see some of that style again.

Or McCrae demolishing O'Gara .............................................
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
One of the strangest phenomenons emerging at Tahs games -- since the Cheetahs but really accelerating against the Lions, i.e. after the forum -- is a tendency for many fans to groan or swear every time the team kicks, regardless of whether it was the right choice or the wrong one and well- or poorly-executed. The idea that a) kicking is bad, b) the Waratahs kick too much and therefore c) the Waratahs are bad seems to have really taken hold.
 

jay-c

Ron Walden (29)
One of the strangest phenomenons emerging at Tahs games -- since the Cheetahs but really accelerating against the Lions, i.e. after the forum -- is a tendency for many fans to groan or swear every time the team kicks, regardless of whether it was the right choice or the wrong one and well- or poorly-executed. The idea that a) kicking is bad, b) the Waratahs kick too much and therefore c) the Waratahs are bad seems to have really taken hold.

from what i gather the tahs fans have just seen too much for too long and think this is the only way to limit the kicking
to be honest it has had the desired effect on lachie turner> hasnt everyone seen a dramatic improvement since hes stopped kicking away everything? he really deserves the spots hes had in team of the week recently> and this from a big knocker for so long!
whats funny is how everyone groans when someone kicks it... then if it turns out to be a good kick they clap!
 

Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
You are right Bruce. They currently shit me to tears, I will admit I often don't get up at 3 am to watch them (that's why Rupert invented Foxtel iQ), and I am loving watching the Reds at the moment. But if you are a NSWelshman, that is that, and that is the Tahs. In some remote corner of my mind I remember them demolishing Wales and England in the early 90's and hope I see some of that style again.

Only today I nostalgically told a Welsh friend of mine about being at that match. Willie O was on fire - who wasn't? Wales I guess.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
On occasion I am very critical of the 'Tahs because they don't seem to have a coherent game plan but their results are not exactly abysmal. They still are in strong contention for a finals berth.

But I would never consider not watching them even if they were at the bottom of the table. They're my team, warts and all.

Would you consider watching them if they weren't your team though?

Say you are a Force fan. If you had the choice of watching any of the following - Reds, Tahs, Saders, Bulls. Who would be last on that list?
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Would you consider watching them if they weren't your team though?

Say you are a Force fan. If you had the choice of watching any of the following - Reds, Tahs, Saders, Bulls. Who would be last on that list?

With all due respect Scotty, that was not the point of the post Bruce made, or the context in which it was made. The fact they are not "Red-tertaining" to watch is well documented.
 

mark_s

Chilla Wilson (44)
Would you consider watching them if they weren't your team though?

Say you are a Force fan. If you had the choice of watching any of the following - Reds, Tahs, Saders, Bulls. Who would be last on that list?
bulls, because their games are on in the middle of the night.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
On occasion I am very critical of the 'Tahs because they don't seem to have a coherent game plan but their results are not exactly abysmal. They still are in strong contention for a finals berth.

But I would never consider not watching them even if they were at the bottom of the table. They're my team, warts and all.

I have to say I comletely respect this view. Many diehard Reds fans would also understand this.
 

inthestands

Sydney Middleton (9)
Injuries and refs may not be helping, but other results are.

Highlanders could just about be safe now if they would have beaten the Force and Lions.

If the Cheetahs beat the Sharks tonight and deny them a bonus point, the Tahs will still be in the top six coming into two home games to finish the season.

Injuries a worry, but Palu and Waugh are due back which is good.
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Injuries and refs may not be helping, but other results are.

Highlanders could just about be safe now if they would have beaten the Force and Lions.

If the Cheetahs beat the Sharks tonight and deny them a bonus point, the Tahs will still be in the top six coming into two home games to finish the season.

Injuries a worry, but Palu and Waugh are due back which is good.

So next week we might field a team that looks like this:

Ulugia, TPN, Fuse
Mumm, Timani
Dennis, Palu, Waugh
Burgo
Hangers, Barnes, Carter
Anesi, Beale, Pakalani

Fitzpatrick (must be fit by now), Tilse, POC (assuming he gets off), Perrett, Alcock, McKibben, BKH.

That's actually not a bad team apart from Ulugia at LHP, but what else can you do? Given that Ulugia didn't prop at Loftus they probably won't do it but Tilse has been playing 2nds at Uni this year and has had back spasm trouble. Reports have had Ma'a from the Two Blues playing well but can he play LHP? Who else from Shute can scrum at Super Rugby level? The rest will IMO give a pretty good account of themselves and be able to take the Highlanders, but a bonus point in the last two rounds is not so likely, unfortunately.
 
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On occasion I am very critical of the 'Tahs because they don't seem to have a coherent game plan but their results are not exactly abysmal. They still are in strong contention for a finals berth.

But I would never consider not watching them even if they were at the bottom of the table. They're my team, warts and all.

Spot on mate.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
One of the strangest phenomenons emerging at Tahs games -- since the Cheetahs but really accelerating against the Lions, i.e. after the forum -- is a tendency for many fans to groan or swear every time the team kicks, regardless of whether it was the right choice or the wrong one and well- or poorly-executed. The idea that a) kicking is bad, b) the Waratahs kick too much and therefore c) the Waratahs are bad seems to have really taken hold.

100% yes. I blame the media. They have promoted this ridiculous idea of "running" rugby.
 

Godfrey

Phil Hardcastle (33)
Not really true, most people have been calling for better of execution of skills including kicking. No one expects a rugby team not to kick, however many people were prefer it not to be poorly performed, predictable and aimless.
 
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