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Bob McCowan (2)
No Melbourne sides this year. There 14's and 16's are going to Nz.
NSW JRU State Championships & Representative Teams 2014
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In the lineout
Allen Oxlade (6)
Oh well. Let's all wait and see what transpires next weekend and even more interestingly what happens with selection process.
In the lineout
Allen Oxlade (6)
It's up on the NSWJRU Resource Library site now
CatchnPass
Vay Wilson (31)
Correct. Captain M.Basson has withdrawn, presumably with 1st XV and CAS Sydney Nth providing enough rugby. No 12 J.Lough also in doubt with injury. There may well be others
Let's not pretend Chatswood ever intended playing in the comp can we? They said so privately and their cynical manipulation of the rules is so very obvious.
The injury excuse is BS and was exactly the out they had planned - register enough to get the 4 games up, one or two real or imagined injuries and there's their get out of jail free card. They should be thrown out as a message to others who would treat the competition and other players with such contempt
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
If there is so much concern that teams/districts are in breach of the eligibility then one hopes that this concern is being addressed "up the chain" through club committee to Sydney JRU and on to NSW JRU.
"Outing" someone on these threads for such acts is similar to peeing in a wetsuit - It gives one a warm feeling and relief from personal discomfort but doesn't make an ounce of difference to the overall environment.
"Outing" someone on these threads for such acts is similar to peeing in a wetsuit - It gives one a warm feeling and relief from personal discomfort but doesn't make an ounce of difference to the overall environment.
In the lineout
Allen Oxlade (6)
The Gordon district are a "protected species", SJRU or NSWJRU won't do a thing about it....and they know it, which is why they continue to flaunt it so openly infront of everyone.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
2013 under 17 Teams at JSC (9 teams)
SJRU (6 teams)
Gordon
Eastwood
Manly
West Harbour
Warringah
Penrith
NSW CJRU (3 teams)
Hunter
Illawarra
Central Coast
2014 under 17 Teams at JSC (7 teams)
SJRU (5 teams)
Warringah
Gordon
Eastwood
Southern Districts
West Harbour
NSW CJRU (2 teams)
Illawarra
Central Coast
Changes:
SJRU - No Manly, or Penrith. Southern Districts back in
NSW CJRU - No Hunter
Has the 2013/14 JGC U17 programme helped boost the numbers playing the game?
There has been a massive increase of -2 teams playing the game at "elite" Village Club grass roots level.
IIRC in JGC there were 4 NSW Country Centres and 4 Metro Centres for JGC U17 rugby.
Schools placing players in cotton wool can explain many of the absentees in the Metro area.
Where have all the country boys gone from JGC? Were the majority of the regional JGC U17 players actually U16's eligible?
SJRU (6 teams)
Gordon
Eastwood
Manly
West Harbour
Warringah
Penrith
NSW CJRU (3 teams)
Hunter
Illawarra
Central Coast
2014 under 17 Teams at JSC (7 teams)
SJRU (5 teams)
Warringah
Gordon
Eastwood
Southern Districts
West Harbour
NSW CJRU (2 teams)
Illawarra
Central Coast
Changes:
SJRU - No Manly, or Penrith. Southern Districts back in
NSW CJRU - No Hunter
Has the 2013/14 JGC U17 programme helped boost the numbers playing the game?
There has been a massive increase of -2 teams playing the game at "elite" Village Club grass roots level.
IIRC in JGC there were 4 NSW Country Centres and 4 Metro Centres for JGC U17 rugby.
Schools placing players in cotton wool can explain many of the absentees in the Metro area.
Where have all the country boys gone from JGC? Were the majority of the regional JGC U17 players actually U16's eligible?
I don't think there is more than any other team has to deal with (schools, school rep trials, rugby league, injuries). Other teams still turn up when they are struggling for numbers or their stars are not there. Chatswood have 24 players on their sign on sheet. You have the option to change game times, are Chatswood doing that, NO. Have any of the Chatswood players moved to Wahroongah yet because they are missing their rugby on the weekends ? No player from the Chatswood team should be allowed to play for Gordon in the State Champo's and the Chatswood team should be disbanded. The zone selectors should be made aware of the players from the Chatswood team and told not to select them. The SJRU knows all about what's going on they need to grow a set.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Any Manly (or other) "facebook" teams this year?
The removal of the Grandfather clause (must play four games in 2014) seems to have put the kybosh on that.
The removal of the Grandfather clause (must play four games in 2014) seems to have put the kybosh on that.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'm getting the feeling the 4 games has removed a lot of players from the state champs - perhaps only in certain areas.
In U16s I see a good chance for Penrith and Parramatta to upset the traditions of this age group.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
The cancellation of the National Under 16 tournament, and the "double pathway" for selection to that tournament that existed for via NSW Schools/Sydney Juniors or NSW Schools/NSW Country Juniors may also disincentivise many from attending the JSC.
If they keep running seperate trials at the end of the season for entry into the next years JGC Under 17 programme, then there is even less incentive to attend. The rockstar kids will back themselves to build their CV through the Schools rep pathway rather than club AND schools.
If they keep running seperate trials at the end of the season for entry into the next years JGC Under 17 programme, then there is even less incentive to attend. The rockstar kids will back themselves to build their CV through the Schools rep pathway rather than club AND schools.
Boof
Ward Prentice (10)
Hunter 17's opted not to attend due to "to much footy " basically, after training 3 days a week since November with JGC. The Hunter zone team was made up of the Hunter JGC U17s ( the majority of our JGC players were 17s with only 4 16s in the squad) Our focus was the Country Champs, no real carrot to attend state champs, just means more training and cost to parents for a long weekend in Sydney with no pathway for the boys, a number of Hunter boys are now focused on playing Colts and the upcoming Schools champs
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Valid points @Boof. More evidence that the "pathway" is still in need of resurfacing, realingment, widening, better signposting and lighting, but apart from that all is well in rugbydom.
The approach to fix this bit, tinker with that bit, try something else somewhere else hasn't resulted in much in the short term in terms of establishing a clear pathway that all participants are contributing towards. There still seems to be too many vested interests clinging to the status quo, and not enough vision and leadership (and money) from the top to bring all into line.
The approach to fix this bit, tinker with that bit, try something else somewhere else hasn't resulted in much in the short term in terms of establishing a clear pathway that all participants are contributing towards. There still seems to be too many vested interests clinging to the status quo, and not enough vision and leadership (and money) from the top to bring all into line.
Man on the hill
Alex Ross (28)
You\r use of the available data does not support anything. What is the trend for thsi cohort over say the last 4 seasons, and tehn compare it with other ages - ie is there a drop off year on year and is it's magnitude any worse than years before - then you can see what the trend is telling you.
Cheers MOTH
A fair few 16s country boys went away to GPS and CAS schools this year although interestedly none showing in" G&G guess" lists for U 16s GPS sides for schools championships at Knox yet (maybe in CAS team and Aices though) . perhaps they are too new and off the radar or finding the transfer from 'big fish to little fish' in the rugby pond a bigger transition than they anticipated .
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
@MOTH, I had high hopes that JGC may increase the pool of "elite" Under 17 rugby players, given that there were eight U17 JGC centres in NSW and one in ACT.
This hasn't happened, and one JGC centre (Hunter) has claimed "too much rugby" as a reason why they are not putting a Zone team in for the NSW JRU JSC.
My limited data set was chosen as to compare pre JGC and post JGC, as well as pre-"Grandfather" clause and post-"Grandfather" clause. The 2013 U17 winners were the Manly "facebook" team that took advantage of the Grandfather loophole to qualify for the 2013 tournament.
The decline in player numbers across the cohorts in SJRU has been posted about in another thread, and not surprisingly that analysis (which tracks several cohorts from U10's to Opens) confirms that there are general drop offs in team numbers each year, with marked drop offs at U13, and U16 and Opens.
In terms of JSC, perhaps someone should run the figures to confirm, but my gut feeling is that the SJRU districts (less Uni) all have teams at JSC to Under 13's.
Easts tend to not be represented at Under 14 and above. Occasionally Uni may have a district team or two depending on the player depth at Canterbury Juniors.
In previous years, with the carrot of the National U16 champs selection through SJRU U16 rep team dangled, the remaining clubs generally managed to field JSC teams to Under 16's, with a number of the Under 16 players qualifying through the Grandfather clause.
JSC participation, as a cohort goes from U16 to U17 has always seen decreases, both in District Team numbers and "rock star" numbers, as the private school boys tend to stop playing both club and school footy. Some schools actively discourage boys from playing both, and go out of their way to make it difficult for the boy to maintain a 1st XV position if they choose to ignore School advice and play Club. Others withdraw from the Village Club scene when they realise that the time commitments and post game recouperation requirements do not allow participation in both School and Club. Someone has posted that a leading AAGS school 1st XV and 2nd XV is training nine times a week.
This hasn't happened, and one JGC centre (Hunter) has claimed "too much rugby" as a reason why they are not putting a Zone team in for the NSW JRU JSC.
My limited data set was chosen as to compare pre JGC and post JGC, as well as pre-"Grandfather" clause and post-"Grandfather" clause. The 2013 U17 winners were the Manly "facebook" team that took advantage of the Grandfather loophole to qualify for the 2013 tournament.
The decline in player numbers across the cohorts in SJRU has been posted about in another thread, and not surprisingly that analysis (which tracks several cohorts from U10's to Opens) confirms that there are general drop offs in team numbers each year, with marked drop offs at U13, and U16 and Opens.
In terms of JSC, perhaps someone should run the figures to confirm, but my gut feeling is that the SJRU districts (less Uni) all have teams at JSC to Under 13's.
Easts tend to not be represented at Under 14 and above. Occasionally Uni may have a district team or two depending on the player depth at Canterbury Juniors.
In previous years, with the carrot of the National U16 champs selection through SJRU U16 rep team dangled, the remaining clubs generally managed to field JSC teams to Under 16's, with a number of the Under 16 players qualifying through the Grandfather clause.
JSC participation, as a cohort goes from U16 to U17 has always seen decreases, both in District Team numbers and "rock star" numbers, as the private school boys tend to stop playing both club and school footy. Some schools actively discourage boys from playing both, and go out of their way to make it difficult for the boy to maintain a 1st XV position if they choose to ignore School advice and play Club. Others withdraw from the Village Club scene when they realise that the time commitments and post game recouperation requirements do not allow participation in both School and Club. Someone has posted that a leading AAGS school 1st XV and 2nd XV is training nine times a week.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
If that poster was me thats actually in relation to that school's 3rd XV!
But I am told that it is par for the course to have 3rd XVs doing 3 training runs a week + gym - which I find staggering: I guess I'm from a different era.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
16s = Penrith
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