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NSW AAGPS Rugby 2012

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Nev Cottrell (35)
As I mentioned quite a way back Wellington currently has 6 - 7 ex pupils playing 6 nations. I'm not sure the same/similar could be said for any NSW GPS schools currently. Historically Joeys , SHORE, Newington or Kings (and I'm guessing the others as well) have had 1 or possibly 2 ex students playing for Australia.....but not 6 - 7 at the same time.

So on reflection either Wellington is an exception, or indeed the NSW GPS situation has a 'gap' but perhaps inverted / the other way around. QLD schools seem to provide a fair crop to the current national team don't they?

Joeys: Brett Sheehan, Kurtley Beale & Luke Burgess
Kings: Benn Robinson, Julian Huxley, Stirling Mortlock & Dean Mumm
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
did grammar have 6-7 ex boys playing for Australia at the same time? what year?
in 1927 there was no Australian team as such because Queensland had ceased to exist.
The 1927-28 Waratahs, however, included Tom Lawton from Queensland and so were an Australian team. They toured Britain and Ireland. The internationals played on tour were decreed Tests by the ARU later.
The captain, johnnie Wallace went to sgs, as did the vice captain I'm pretty sure. Wallace rowed in 3 consecutive winning 1st viiii's. The were 6 or 7 grammar old boys in this team which invented the flat alignment, through Wallace, which was picked up and possibly perfected by Cyril towers (Waverley) who was also in the squad ( but could not make the A team) and taught to bob Dwyer at Randwick.
Hence grammar was behind the 1991 RWC success!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1927–28_Waratahs_tour_of_the_British_Isles,_France_and_Canada

You will see in the footnotes reference to Born to lead: my calculation based on the information in this book is that sgs has produced more wallaby captains than any other school, unfortunately all before even I was born.




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Herbert Moran (7)
Thanks for that Inside S. Very informative to say the least.

Perhaps you (or anyone else out there?) can answer this;

Of GPS school leavers over the past 3 - 4 years who stands out / is making a serious dent into putting on a Super 15 or Wallaby jersey?
 

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Arch Winning (36)
All very true. For the younger ones on this blog, along side Grammar, High also have a very strong rugby history...
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
All very true. For the younger ones on this blog, along side Grammar, High also have a very strong rugby history...

Very true: including former ARU president Peter "charlie" Crittle - who while a PE teacher (I think/assume) @ Vaucluse High encouraged Steve Finnane to play rugby as a schoolboy.....thereby producing an arguable turning point in australian rugby.
 

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Johnnie Wallace (23)
Very true: including former ARU president Peter "charlie" Crittle - who while a PE teacher (I think/assume) @ Vaucluse High encouraged Steve Finnane to play rugby as a schoolboy.....thereby producing an arguable turning point in australian rugby.

Funny you mention Steve Finnane, his son Jake is currently in year 10 at Joeys and looks like he could follow in his fathers footsteps. A big, aggressive prop forward from the 14As last year his size and strength is amazing for someone so young, and he is very skillful to back it up. Defiantly a player of the future
 

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Bob Loudon (25)
If Jake is anything like his Dad then he will be a welcome addition to the props club!

IS - no question about a turning point, the Wales test and Price incident marked the point when the Wallabies weren't prepared to "cop it" no questions asked from the home countries on tour! Despite Clive Rowlands moaning! More like Steve Finnane please!

Cheers, Wreckless
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Funny you mention Steve Finnane, his son Jake is currently in year 10 at Joeys and looks like he could follow in his fathers footsteps. A big, aggressive prop forward from the 14As last year his size and strength is amazing for someone so young, and he is very skillful to back it up. Could even get a game or two in the 2nds this year. Defiantly a player of the future

If he played 14As last year in Year 9 doesn't that make him underage and thus he'll be playing U15s in Year 10 this year? If so I doubt Joeys will play an U15 in their Opens
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Will many of the players from kings 16A's last year play 1st XV?

If you read through the earlier posts in this thread it's stated that they have 5 of their 2011 1st XV returning this year - Wylie (10), Foketi (13), Moylan (8), Tourish (15) & Randell (7) and you'd expect that they'd all be back in the ones given their experience and rep level rugby - Foketi & Randell are in the NGS, Moylan & Tourish are in the JGS and from recollection Wylie has played for NSW Schools.There will no doubt be some 2011 seconds players vying for spots in the 1sts as well and maybe someone else can suggest names.

As has been noted in this and other threads their 2011 16As went through the season undefeated including trials and games against touring sides winning 15-16 games. Whilst this is a very good record it is probably tempered by the fact that some other U16 GPS teams were not at full age strength because they played a number of their U16s in the Opens last year, notably Joeys. That said there was some outstanding talent in Kings 16As and I'd reckon the following would be a real chance of playing in their 1sts this year: - Harry Jones (15)-[NGS], Corey Tulloch (10)-[NGS], Rory Davis (9)-[NGS], Jack McCalman (7)-[NGS], Matthew Matson (4)-[NGS], Lucas Bateman (1)-[JGS] & Ben Stacey (8)-[JGS]. I don't know if there are any new players at the school and yet again someone else might know about this.
 

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Simon Poidevin (60)
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Myopic?... I agree that Joeys have been nowhere as dominant over the last 15 years as their halcyon decades prior to that...

MMmmm? Seasons 2004 to 2007 Joeys Firsts lost one (competition) match. Not a bad record. Halcyon perhaps?
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
MMmmm? Seasons 2004 to 2007 Joeys Firsts lost one (competition) match. Not a bad record. Halcyon perhaps?

The time period I referred to was 15 years not the 4 years you have referred to where they won successive premierships. It's also now 4 years since they last won a premiership their biggest "losing streak" since 1971-75 when High was dominating GPS rugby.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
MMmmm? Seasons 2004 to 2007 Joeys Firsts lost one (competition) match. Not a bad record. Halcyon perhaps?
good point and I'm not sure whether prior to about the mid 80s they'd decades of dominance, accepting of course that they won a truck load of premierships and were synonymous with gps rugby.


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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Funny you mention Steve Finnane, his son Jake is currently in year 10 at Joeys and looks like he could follow in his fathers footsteps. A big, aggressive prop forward from the 14As last year his size and strength is amazing for someone so young, and he is very skillful to back it up. Defiantly a player of the future

I shall keep an eye out for him.
Seems young to be Steve's son.
Wreckless only those of us of a certain age realise that! I see him around a bit and he is the most unassuming bloke.


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