NSW AAGPS Rugby 2012

[Wowsah]

I agree, more to come on this topic later, as firstly Shore must worry about the very tough game against Scots. But it is true that in the trials Newington's physical backline ran through Shore's, and they didn't even have Moeroa that day due to injury. All I can say that is the backlines defene has improved tremendously since the trials. Newington has the ascendency no doubt, but so far Shore had been able to contain the schoolboys in the kings backline and were able to scramble well against Roverview's, who play a similar sought of pattern to Newington. Shore has good speed and reads the opposition's plays well. it's just a case of whether they can continually make the physically demanding tackles, especially after two physical challenges against Riverview and Scots.

Robertson is currently in the 2nds.

To clarify, you would have to think he is gone from the 1st XV competition. Based on last weekends performance, he still looked to be carrying his ankle injury just a bit. I hope I am wrong and he is fit and ready this weekend to go for a run. You would think him invaluable for shore against Newington and Joeys considering the strength of those two teams forward packs. A bit ominous (to those that were there in the trial against New to see his dreadful looking ankle blowing in the wind) if he returns for Newington. Any little bit of extra grunt Shore is definitely going to need going into those last two rounds. I'm very torn, but I simply cannot tip Shore to win for obvious reasons. Scots by 3.

 

[Goldrush]

Hardy and Penissi ahead of Goldie, Murphy and O'Donohue is a big call. Tiger, Cleary, Pat Vaughan and Angus McGrath could have all easily been featured in the 1st as could have Connor O'Shea and Teviata Mackini. But players like Ben Rodgers, Zach Guilfoyle, Dom Huggett and especially Brendon Follington in thirds also could have made the side.

Sorry Random2 I usually enjoy your posts but this one is just crap. All the present 1st Xv players earn their place in the team fair and square and did it by out playing the respective positions below them. Wed last week the 1st played the 2nds and had no trouble dominating. I’m told they still dominated even though some of the first held back a bit to avoid injury but the seconds went hard hoping to move up. You cannot compare a good performance in a 2nd grade game or 3rds for that matter with any performance in the first, it is a very different game, (much faster and less forgiving) especially against teams like Newington or Scotts where their 1st are far superior to their 2nds or 3rds. The talent Joeys have in their 2nds and 3rds is just testament to the depth within the school, nothing to do with any lack of talent or favouritism for players in the current 1st Xv. All the players you have mentioned had their chance to show their dominance and skill on an equal playing field during the trials and unfortunately missed out. If you want your 1st xv to man up over the next 3 weeks then i would stop these sorts of negative posts. When you name players like you have then you are implying that the respective positions above shouldn’t be there. In defence of the current 1st XV players IMO all of them are well and truly deserving of their positions and Boydy and Tice have got it right.

 

[George Smith]

I understand that a sub-culture has been formed between the headmasters of Grammar, High and Shore. The basis of which is around the 'imports' or 'scholarships' being offered. This also reflected in which school is utilising 'outside' coaches. Grammar's HM is seriously thinking of withdrawing his 1sts from playing anything higher than 2nds in 2013. He cannot completely withdraw as this will jeopardise being part of the GPS (current constitution). These 3 HM's are pushing the proverbial uphill and doesn't sit well that they bemoan each week to anyone who wants to listen.

It is also 'interesting' that both Grammar and Shore employ highly sophisticated rowing programs that make their respective rugby programs look like complete novices.

One thing that is common to all the GPS schools is that the Old Boys are fiercely proud and will resist any change to the historical norm when it comes to opening the competition up for other schools or teams.

Maybe the most obvious option to ensure greater fairness is a "home & away series" eliminating some of the endless trials that occurred this year (but this doesn't help Grammar unless they offer to field each week the Waratah's academy players).

 

[Gristlechewer]

A fine point. As someone who takes great interest in Joeys Rugby, as they are renowned for there rugby, I did notice the extreme quality of the their 3rd XV. Scoring trys that you would normally only see in a high qualty 2nd XV game or a 1st XV game. The skills possessed by these supposed '3rd grade footballers' is quite outstanding.
After 3 games (they had the bye) they have scored 90 points and only conceded 12. Note they have not played the 'grammer/tas/high' round yet.
Dare i ask the question, are Joeys (unfairly) chasing the inaugural 3rd XV premiership?

Interesting you think like that JD, Maybe there is something to this?

 

[Gristlechewer]

Sorry Random2 I usually enjoy your posts but this one is just crap. All the present 1st Xv players earn their place in the team fair and square and did it by out playing the respective positions below them. Wed last week the 1st played the 2nds and had no trouble dominating. I’m told they still dominated even though some of the first held back a bit to avoid injury but the seconds went hard hoping to move up. You cannot compare a good performance in a 2nd grade game or 3rds for that matter with any performance in the first, it is a very different game, (much faster and less forgiving) especially against teams like Newington or Scotts where their 1st are far superior to their 2nds or 3rds. The talent Joeys have in their 2nds and 3rds is just testament to the depth within the school, nothing to do with any lack of talent or favouritism for players in the current 1st Xv. All the players you have mentioned had their chance to show their dominance and skill on an equal playing field during the trials and unfortunately missed out. If you want your 1st xv to man up over the next 3 weeks then i would stop these sorts of negative posts. When you name players like you have then you are implying that the respective positions above shouldn’t be there. In defence of the current 1st XV players IMO all of them are well and truly deserving of their positions and Boydy and Tice have got it right.

Goldrush, please reread post #2346, you will find it is not R2, but a new addition to the forum by the name of rugbyscribe

 

[John Dale]

Interesting you think like that JD, Maybe there is something to this?

I advice the people who are off to watch the Joeys 1sts play, to make an afternoon of it and start at the 3rds and make a comparison with the 2nd XV. I have only seen them twice this season, but it was the same thing twice. The 3rd XV looking more structured and cohesive than the 2nds.
I am not accusing Joeys of anything. It could just be tremendous coaching as the team is extremely well drilled.
Just some Food for thought!

 

[Primetime]

Just wondering what the specific predictions people hold for the Joeys - Grammar game are?

After last week's capitulation, I do think the Grammar boys will come out with a greater resolve, and fortunately for them, Joeys is a relatively small team (though still very skilful).

I'm of course calling the win for Joeys, though I doubt we'll be seeing the result of last weekend. This game ought to play out much more like Shore for the Grammar boys.

I'm calling 35-14 for Joeys, their first win since a promising beginning against Riverview went south. Anyone who could give an in-depth report of the game would be much appreciated; I unfortunately cannot make the journey out to Hunters Hill this week.

Also, do we see Shore or Newington taking the title? Obviously Newington are the favourites, and rightfully so, though this is certainly shaping up in a way few could have predicted before season's start.

 

[GPS1986]

@ Primetime
I expect that Grammar will improve, but I'd put the score a bit more in favour of Joeys
Mostly because Grammar is still troubled by injuries that should improve over the next couple weeks.

 

[random2]

Sorry Random2 I usually enjoy your posts but this one is just crap. All the present 1st Xv players earn their place in the team fair and square and did it by out playing the respective positions below them. Wed last week the 1st played the 2nds and had no trouble dominating. I’m told they still dominated even though some of the first held back a bit to avoid injury but the seconds went hard hoping to move up. You cannot compare a good performance in a 2nd grade game or 3rds for that matter with any performance in the first, it is a very different game, (much faster and less forgiving) especially against teams like Newington or Scotts where their 1st are far superior to their 2nds or 3rds. The talent Joeys have in their 2nds and 3rds is just testament to the depth within the school, nothing to do with any lack of talent or favouritism for players in the current 1st Xv. All the players you have mentioned had their chance to show their dominance and skill on an equal playing field during the trials and unfortunately missed out. If you want your 1st xv to man up over the next 3 weeks then i would stop these sorts of negative posts. When you name players like you have then you are implying that the respective positions above shouldn’t be there. In defence of the current 1st XV players IMO all of them are well and truly deserving of their positions and Boydy and Tice have got it right.

I never said any of the 1st XV boys did not deserve there spots. I never said i rate any of the seconds players over the first players. I did not mean to be negative towards anyone, rather positive towards some very good second grade players. Every boy who has played 1st XV for Joeys this year has well and truly deserved it and every good second grade player should be deserving of a spot in the first, and i think this year Joeys has been successful at that this year. Im hoping that all of the 1st XV will perform over the next three matches, especially those in year 11 and 10 so they show Joeys have something to look forward to next season.

 

[Primetime]

@ Primetime
I expect that Grammar will improve, but I'd put the score a bit more in favour of Joeys
Mostly because Grammar is still troubled by injuries that should improve over the next couple weeks.

As I understand the only players out for Grammar are Krempff and Gorry, due to the concussion rules. Who else is not running out on Saturday?

 

[THE REF 94]

Just wondering what the specific predictions people hold for the Joeys - Grammar game are?

After last week's capitulation, I do think the Grammar boys will come out with a greater resolve, and fortunately for them, Joeys is a relatively small team (though still very skilful).

I'm of course calling the win for Joeys, though I doubt we'll be seeing the result of last weekend. This game ought to play out much more like Shore for the Grammar boys.

I'm calling 35-14 for Joeys, their first win since a promising beginning against Riverview went south. Anyone who could give an in-depth report of the game would be much appreciated; I unfortunately cannot make the journey out to Hunters Hill this week.

Also, do we see Shore or Newington taking the title? Obviously Newington are the favourites, and rightfully so, though this is certainly shaping up in a way few could have predicted before season's start.

I was impressed with Grammar against Shore, but the players I were impresed with got injured innthat match. We made the observation that their 2nds lost to Shore 4ths by 30 points. The 4ths are a good side this year, but obviously would get walked over by the 1sts. we knew then that if there were injury problems at Grammar, they would struggle immensely because their 2nds were already getting a touch by the 4ths teams. Grammar to play strong, but due to their injury problems I'm afraid it's going to be a similar story to last week. Joeys by 50+

Agree that Newington are the favourites. Shore has to worry about Scots first, they only jsut beat them in the trials and that was a day that did not favour good ball for Scot's backline. Any team in this competition can beat anyone on their day, so it's still wide open for New, Scots and Shore. Newington the favourites because they've already beaten Shore in the trials and they get the bye this weekend.

 

[GPS1986]

As I understand the only players out for Grammar are Krempff and Gorry, due to the concussion rules. Who else is not running out on Saturday?

Potts in the backline, and actually I think Bishop is coming back from some sort of groin injury (rumours say testicle related?).

 

[Primetime]

Potts in the backline, and actually I think Bishop is coming back from some sort of groin injury (rumours say testicle related?).

Both unfortunate in their own unique ways. I'm sure all on the thread are glad to see quick testicle recovery. But on a serious note, Potts is a serious loss for them, and I firmly believe he may have been an extremely effective tool for them this weekend against an undersized Joeys back-line. Assuming Robertson plays 12 again, or not after last weeks horror display for him?

 

[GPSrow]

although Newington 1sts have a bye from the GPS competition this weekend, are they versing any club or having a game to play??? or are they resting?? please confirm

 

[supporter]

although Newington 1sts have a bye from the GPS competition this weekend, are they versing any club or having a game to play??? or are they resting?? please confirm

Bye = resting = no games and that's confirm

 

[Hugh Jarse]

A mate closely associatged with NEW is probably having a lend of me, but he reckons a trial against Oakhill at Oakhill has been arranged for Saturday.

This doesn't sound right given that Waratah Shield Final is next Wednesday for Oakhill.

 

[supporter]

A mate closely associatged with NEW is probably having a lend of me, but he reckons a trial against Oakhill at Oakhill has been arranged for Saturday.
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HJ - no games for New's rugby this weekend and that's official.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

IS, Re your post at #5
Would / should it also be a consideration for any current review of the situation to assess the risk of serious injury to players who might not be appropriately skilled / competent when it comes to scrum-time ??

Yes.
It worries the crap out of me - at all levels of rugby - when there is an imbalance in scrums.


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[Inside Shoulder]

I understand that a sub-culture has been formed between the headmasters of Grammar, High and Shore. The basis of which is around the 'imports' or 'scholarships' being offered. This also reflected in which school is utilising 'outside' coaches. Grammar's HM is seriously thinking of withdrawing his 1sts from playing anything higher than 2nds in 2013. He cannot completely withdraw as this will jeopardise being part of the GPS (current constitution). These 3 HM's are pushing the proverbial uphill and doesn't sit well that they bemoan each week to anyone who wants to listen.

It is also 'interesting' that both Grammar and Shore employ highly sophisticated rowing programs that make their respective rugby programs look like complete novices.

One thing that is common to all the GPS schools is that the Old Boys are fiercely proud and will resist any change to the historical norm when it comes to opening the competition up for other schools or teams.

Maybe the most obvious option to ensure greater fairness is a "home & away series" eliminating some of the endless trials that occurred this year (but this doesn't help Grammar unless they offer to field each week the Waratah's academy players).

I used to think importing was the issue: shore has shown this year that it is not. In fact shore's performance this year has woken me up to the realities.
The competitive GPS season is too short: beyond that no one seems to agree.


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[KOB1987]

Happy to be berated here, but have gone through the remaining games and this is how I think the ladder will look at the end:

1. Newington..14
=2. Kings..10
=2. Scots..10
=4. Shore..8
=4..Joeys..8
6. Riverview..4
7. Grammar..2