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Vay Wilson (31)
A cynic might imagine that the decision to go co-ed has already been made and the Headmaster is there to achieve that goal.
The cynic might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
Hello Former flanker

I feel that the decision could cause a real back lash within the Newington Community. It could also cause a major division within the school. That would take years to repair. In my case I would cancel my donation of my Military History Books to the school as laid out in my Will. Instead my books worth several thousands of dollars, would go to Kings.Included are the 12 Volumes of CEW Bean's History of Australia in World War One. Others include the 4 volume History of the elite Greater Germany Division, the 5 volume history of Hitlers Body Guard Division and 3 volumes of Australia's ground war in Vietnam.
If certain people think they go ahead with coeducation, they need to understand that there will be a price to pay.
 
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Herbert Moran (7)
I preface this post with an acknowledgement that I was targeted for comments I made last year about Newington's rugby programme and Newingon's Headmaster's shifting co-curricular focus. I stand by these comments to this day. Many of these criticisms posted by this forum's contributors have since been deleted by said critics, although I took screenshots before they disappeared - happy to re-post. My point was that Newington was changing direction under Michael Parker, on the co-curricular front, etc. Tolu is the tip of the iceberg, and it needs to be registered that Parker's vision extends beyond winning premierships. It's why I applaud him as a leader. This vision of a co-curricular context should be applauded
 

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Ken Catchpole (46)
Any Barker Old Boys reading this forum with experience in the transition to co-ed? Anyone go through the divisions caused by Barker's decision?

Barker seems to have had a unique geographical advantage in that large swathes of land existed for the creation of new buildings that could accommodate increased student numbers.
Newington is stifled in that respect.
 

Rudderless

Trevor Allan (34)
Hello Rudderless
You think as I do.My Word, we need more boarding at Newington. Too many Old boys finish up sending their sons to Kings or Kinross because Our Boarding House is simply too small. Hence, the expenditure on an expanded boarding programme and infrastructure, would be better appreciated by the Newington community, than the naivety of introducing coeducation.

Expanded boarding would also contribute to Newington's diversity, with boarding intakes from the Country, it would add more of a country perspective to the college. A boy who experiences Bushfires, Floods and Droughts will have a very a practical outlook on Life. As such, these life experiences would rub off onto our a city boys. Ideally, expanding their perspective on Life.

Yes, it would certainly benefit our Rugby, particularly, in the Open Age Group.

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'The school’s chairman Tony McDonald wrote to parents and alumni on Wednesday to outline the plan, acknowledging that the school’s existing demographics will not be “as appropriate in the decades to come as they are now”.'

'Newington’s headmaster Michael Parker will lead the consultation with parents, students, alumni and education experts.'




It doesn't sound like the consultation process is being externally outsourced, thus keeping the Headmaster and School Council at arm's length from results. It would also provide transparency to all parties.


FYI, I am an New Old Boy (NOB 84) with a son currently at Kings (full time boarder since Yr 7). So I've got a foot in both camps when in comes to Rugby results !! I enjoy reading your passion for the Black and White.
 

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Vay Wilson (31)
Black & White

'The school’s chairman Tony McDonald wrote to parents and alumni on Wednesday to outline the plan, acknowledging that the school’s existing demographics will not be “as appropriate in the decades to come as they are now”.'

'Newington’s headmaster Michael Parker will lead the consultation with parents, students, alumni and education experts.'




It doesn't sound like the consultation process is being externally outsourced, thus keeping the Headmaster and School Council at arm's length from results. It would also provide transparency to all parties.


FYI, I am an New Old Boy (NOB 84) with a son currently at Kings (full time boarder since Yr 7). So I've got a foot in both camps when in comes to Rugby results !! I enjoy reading your passion for the Black and White.
Hello Ruddless, I hope to attend a meeting over at North Sydney that will involve a discussion on Newington. I got an initial impression that it indeed was being out source.But it appears that viewpoint was not correct. It appears to be a joint effort with several Parties.Thank you for your feedback and support. On attending New In 1984,do feel that Scot Barker's try ( Herb's Son) against Joeys was correctly disallowed. We might have won the Game.
 

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Darby Loudon (17)
Greetings fellow Green & Gold Members.

The question of co-education in the GPS schools is indeed a controversial one. There appears to be an underlying assumption for those in favour of it that that co-education is equally beneficial for both boys and girls. Many years ago, my son was at our local co-educational public primary school which was a great school, but he was having great difficulty learning and as a boy young for his class had no chance keeping up with the girls who were already far more advanced than he was. He was getting lost with poor results and did not want to go to school.

We decided to send him to Newington Lindfield and it was the best thing we ever did for him. (And I am a Joeys Old Boy!!!) At Lindfield he enjoyed smaller classes; shorter lessons with better focus; regular breaks (including fruit break in the morning); building forts in the bush behind the school and an excellent mix of co-curricular activities focused on boys needs. His grades improved; he was happier and he actually wanted to go to school. He ended up a House Captain and received multiple awards in his final year at Lindfield. And not just for Rugby!

There is a definite need to ensure that all boys receive the right education to become socially aware, respectful of women and good citizens in our Australian society. I just don't believe that co-education is necessarily the best way to achieve that.

I am obviously only one view in this discussion and many people will not agree with me and that's OK.

Bring on the Rugby!!!
 

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Vay Wilson (31)
Greetings fellow Green & Gold Members.

The question of co-education in the GPS schools is indeed a controversial one. There appears to be an underlying assumption for those in favour of it that that co-education is equally beneficial for both boys and girls. Many years ago, my son was at our local co-educational public primary school which was a great school, but he was having great difficulty learning and as a boy young for his class had no chance keeping up with the girls who were already far more advanced than he was. He was getting lost with poor results and did not want to go to school.

We decided to send him to Newington Lindfield and it was the best thing we ever did for him. (And I am a Joeys Old Boy!!!) At Lindfield he enjoyed smaller classes; shorter lessons with better focus; regular breaks (including fruit break in the morning); building forts in the bush behind the school and an excellent mix of co-curricular activities focused on boys needs. His grades improved; he was happier and he actually wanted to go to school. He ended up a House Captain and received multiple awards in his final year at Lindfield. And not just for Rugby!

There is a definite need to ensure that all boys receive the right education to become socially aware, respectful of women and good citizens in our Australian society. I just don't believe that co-education is necessarily the best way to achieve that.

I am obviously only one view in this discussion and many people will not agree with me and that's OK.

Bring on the Rugby!!!
Hello Its Not Pink

Great to hear and confirms the irrelevancy of coeducation at Newington.

The underlying belief of coeducation is its suppose to gentrify the boys into well balance confident young men by socialising with girls. The reality is that girls have at least two years maturity on the boys. As such many boys will have difficult relating to the girls. Girls will be superior in their verbal skills and dominate intellectually in English, Languages Media Studies and Debating. Boys on intellectual level, will not achieve their peak until their mid twenties. Some even later. Thereby, placing the boys in a position of intellectual inferiority, whereby they lose self confidence.

The example of Barker is misleading, as most of the boys are products of gentrified Professional Middle Class families, on Sydney's North Shore. That is what gives these boys a social advantage.The same exists at Knox, Shore, Kings and off course Newington without coeducation. I know this, having taught at a number of these schools.

Doctor Tim Hawkes,former Kings School Headmaster, wrote a book called "Educating Boys". The centre feature, I felt, is that Boys Education, is a highly specialised topic, where specialist topics need to be incorporated into their curriculum.Coeducation cuts across this specialist approach to educating boys. In many ways the current English Curriculum is overtly sexist against boys. With many novels featuring the works of Jane Austen and Charlotte Brody, that articulate a female perspective of Life. Literature Classics such as James Jones "Thin Red Line", "All Quiet on the Western Front" or my favourite "The 13th Valley" are no where to be seen. Even coeducational schools now have have single sex classes, particularly, in Maths and English. As boys and girls learn differently from each other.

To me coeducation is a fade that has reached it's" used by date". The best solution for boys, is teach subjects that develop their interest in learning.In this regard out politicians and Educational Bureaucrats have proven to be useless.

Michael Parker, is proven educator, but his greatest challenge, is providing a 21st Curriculum for the Boys at Newington by developing relevant courses for the boys.This will include continuing the turning the boys into "Good All Rounders" and that is the best preparation for the boys at Newington. As what happens outside the Classroom, can be as important, as what happens within the Classroom. The answer will not be found in coeducation. This is something the school council at Newington are very aware of. So scholarships will continue, with the aim of achieving a balance of 1 in every 5 Boys on a full scholarship. Featuring Academic, in the Arts and Sport.

There is a false narrative that Michael Parker, is anti sport and pro academic Headmaster, at the expense of sport. I have spoken to Michael Parker, while he was supporting Newington Rugby Teams on a Saturday. Together, with communications from Newington News Letters, this is not true. Being Pro-Academic, is not Anti-Sport, as he stresses that success in sport breeds self confidence, mate ship, teamwork and pride within one self.Leading to enhance academic potential. This is also stressed on the Newington Website. On Video downloads, he talks proudly about Newington sporting achievements. With particular attention given to the 5th XI Cricket team and what they achieved and the pride they had in representing Newington. Hardly, remarks of a Headmaster, determined to devalue sport. Nor has he communicated in any manner, that sport will lose it's place, as a major component of a Newington eduction.

Finally,"It's not Pink" I am wondering did he attend the Senior School at Stanmore. Kind regards

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ItsNotPink

Darby Loudon (17)
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Finally, "It's not Pink" I am wondering did he attend the Senior School at Stanmore. Kind regards

Black and White
Thanks for that excellent analysis B&W.

In the end my son decided to go to Joeys and had a wonderful 6 years there, but I am sure he would have had a very similar positive experience at Stanmore. He still has many close friends from his days at Newington Lindfield.

Cheers
INP
 

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Vay Wilson (31)
Thanks for that excellent analysis B&W.

In the end my son decided to go to Joeys and had a wonderful 6 years there, but I am sure he would have had a very similar positive experience at Stanmore. He still has many close friends from his days at Newington Lindfield.

Cheers
INP
Hello Itsnotpink, great to hear.

Many Thanks B&W
 

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Watty Friend (18)
Spoke to Peter J about this last year. No worries, Max will be playing for Randwick (like Dad) and will go from there.
So with his inclusion in the Junior Wallabies camp would it be fair to say that he has cemented his No. 15 spot in the Joeys and GPS Squad??? If so , 14 positions up for grabs.

Bring on the Rugby Season
 
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yoursinrugby

Peter Burge (5)
Interested in everyones thoughts on how well the whole trial process works across the GPS schools.
Good, fair, transparent or otherwise
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
Joeys are cats
Initially I thought this to be the post of an idiot.
On reflection, he/she/it/zee/them may be right:
Backs with the speed of a cheetah, forwards with the heart of a lion.
Tigerish in defence, all players are built for hunting opposition mistakes and clawing their way to many a winning game.
Legend has it that Rugby playing boarders at Joeys eat raw meat on Saturdays.
 

Love2Scrum

Watty Friend (18)
For those of you who are interested in a rugby lunch.

 
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