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NSW AAGPS 2022

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Love2Scrum

Watty Friend (18)
Good afternoon fellow GPS Rugby supporters. 90 days remaining before the first round of GPS, CAS and ISA trial games begin on 30th April.

Newington v Scots

Shore v St Augustine

Kings v Waverley

Riverview v Knox

Joeys v ???
 

Rudderless

Trevor Allan (34)
For those Rugby boys who have chosen Rowing for their summer sport, this Saturday at SIRC is the NSW Rowing Championships

Schoolboy Eight 2000m

Race 53 9.30am Heat 1
Race 54 9.35am Heat 2
Race 55 9.40am Heat 3

Race 90 12.45pm Final

Live Stream
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
Speaking of Newington players - another one lost to league.
Manly is set to unleash a kid who could be the NRL's new fastest player.

Tolutau Koula has been elevated into the Sea Eagles' senior squad this year, and fans will get a first look at him during Friday's trial game against Wests Tigers at Leichhardt.

The 19-year-old is said to hold the GPS school record for the fastest 100-metre sprint. His blistering dash came two years ago at Sydney Olympic Park.
 

Love2Scrum

Watty Friend (18)
Speaking of Newington players - another one lost to league.
Manly is set to unleash a kid who could be the NRL's new fastest player.

Tolutau Koula has been elevated into the Sea Eagles' senior squad this year, and fans will get a first look at him during Friday's trial game against Wests Tigers at Leichhardt.

The 19-year-old is said to hold the GPS school record for the fastest 100-metre sprint. His blistering dash came two years ago at Sydney Olympic Park.
And possibly there will be more in the next couple of years based on the number of GPS boys currently playing U17 & U19 representative football for the respective NRL Clubs.
 

Joker

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I have a few friends with sons at Newington. Over the past couple of days I have spoken to them about this possibility. While many express that Co-education has benefits, they did not sign up for this. One, who has a son in year 2 at Lindfield, was planning on her son going through k-12 in a boys school. She has now asked me, "how do I get into Shore?" Well I don't know, but pulling an oar will help.

I recall when Barker introduced the ladies. Numbers in the school eventually evened out but the issue was numbers of rugby teams. Pre-Co-ed I recall BC fielding at least 8 teams in the opens and similar numbers lower down. In 2018 Joeys play BC. These were teams they fielded that day.

Opens- 6 teams
16's- 3 teams
15's- 2 teams
14's- 3 teams
13's- 3 teams

Barker 1st XV beat Joeys that day and couple of mismatched graded teams ( Barker A's v Joeys C's etc....) Why did the 1st win though when there are so few boys at the school playing rugby? Simple. It is the word that shall not be mentioned. A word that is disallowed in GPS schools but CAS have no issues as they are allowed do to. Imagine if the BC 1st XV had to rely on home grown talent? The moment you go co-ed you harm the sports programs of the boys. No more depth, no more building, just a few hired guns to prop up the 1st XV and to hell with the rest who will forever play games against teams not their grade. In 2018 Joeys 6ths only played 2 games vs another 6th Grade team (TKS and SIC). It hurts these players as well.

Finally, Newington do have a proud rugby tradition. They may not have won premierships, but they were a hard school to play. They took it seriously. With the rise of the Cult of "Silverbacks" it has taken on a comical form. Boys who can play 2nd/3rd XV grade choosing to play for a novelty team. Thank goodness the Joeys 7ths beat this team in 2021. One of my good friends son' was playing for NC and were expecting to win easily. They lost 10-7. It was a shame that the NC 4th, 3rd and 2nd XV all lost be bigger margins. How will rugby stay competitive?
 

Rudderless

Trevor Allan (34)
I have a few friends with sons at Newington. Over the past couple of days I have spoken to them about this possibility. While many express that Co-education has benefits, they did not sign up for this. One, who has a son in year 2 at Lindfield, was planning on her son going through k-12 in a boys school. She has now asked me, "how do I get into Shore?" Well I don't know, but pulling an oar will help.

I recall when Barker introduced the ladies. Numbers in the school eventually evened out but the issue was numbers of rugby teams. Pre-Co-ed I recall BC fielding at least 8 teams in the opens and similar numbers lower down. In 2018 Joeys play BC. These were teams they fielded that day.

Opens- 6 teams
16's- 3 teams
15's- 2 teams
14's- 3 teams
13's- 3 teams

Barker 1st XV beat Joeys that day and couple of mismatched graded teams ( Barker A's v Joeys C's etc....) Why did the 1st win though when there are so few boys at the school playing rugby? Simple. It is the word that shall not be mentioned. A word that is disallowed in GPS schools but CAS have no issues as they are allowed do to. Imagine if the BC 1st XV had to rely on home grown talent? The moment you go co-ed you harm the sports programs of the boys. No more depth, no more building, just a few hired guns to prop up the 1st XV and to hell with the rest who will forever play games against teams not their grade. In 2018 Joeys 6ths only played 2 games vs another 6th Grade team (TKS and SIC). It hurts these players as well.

Finally, Newington do have a proud rugby tradition. They may not have won premierships, but they were a hard school to play. They took it seriously. With the rise of the Cult of "Silverbacks" it has taken on a comical form. Boys who can play 2nd/3rd XV grade choosing to play for a novelty team. Thank goodness the Joeys 7ths beat this team in 2021. One of my good friends son' was playing for NC and were expecting to win easily. They lost 10-7. It was a shame that the NC 4th, 3rd and 2nd XV all lost be bigger margins. How will rugby stay competitive?
Joker

....with Newington putting the idea to its community alongside a proposal to make the school more culturally and socio-economically diverse.

Simply put Boarding back on the table for discussion. I believe the school now only caters for a maximum of 50 (Yrs 9-12 only) who live in a residential street located between the school and Stanmore Train Station (was previously onsite with bigger numbers).

The 50 are not all full-time (Sydney based).

Many Regional parents would have been put off by the exclusion of Years 7 and 8 as well as the lack of boarding numbers. I know I was.

It would be beneficial for Rugby at Newington.
 
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Love2Scrum

Watty Friend (18)
I have a few friends with sons at Newington. Over the past couple of days I have spoken to them about this possibility. While many express that Co-education has benefits, they did not sign up for this. One, who has a son in year 2 at Lindfield, was planning on her son going through k-12 in a boys school. She has now asked me, "how do I get into Shore?" Well I don't know, but pulling an oar will help.

I recall when Barker introduced the ladies. Numbers in the school eventually evened out but the issue was numbers of rugby teams. Pre-Co-ed I recall BC fielding at least 8 teams in the opens and similar numbers lower down. In 2018 Joeys play BC. These were teams they fielded that day.

Opens- 6 teams
16's- 3 teams
15's- 2 teams
14's- 3 teams
13's- 3 teams

Barker 1st XV beat Joeys that day and couple of mismatched graded teams ( Barker A's v Joeys C's etc....) Why did the 1st win though when there are so few boys at the school playing rugby? Simple. It is the word that shall not be mentioned. A word that is disallowed in GPS schools but CAS have no issues as they are allowed do to. Imagine if the BC 1st XV had to rely on home grown talent? The moment you go co-ed you harm the sports programs of the boys. No more depth, no more building, just a few hired guns to prop up the 1st XV and to hell with the rest who will forever play games against teams not their grade. In 2018 Joeys 6ths only played 2 games vs another 6th Grade team (TKS and SIC). It hurts these players as well.

Finally, Newington do have a proud rugby tradition. They may not have won premierships, but they were a hard school to play. They took it seriously. With the rise of the Cult of "Silverbacks" it has taken on a comical form. Boys who can play 2nd/3rd XV grade choosing to play for a novelty team. Thank goodness the Joeys 7ths beat this team in 2021. One of my good friends son' was playing for NC and were expecting to win easily. They lost 10-7. It was a shame that the NC 4th, 3rd and 2nd XV all lost be bigger margins. How will rugby stay competitive?
Rugby will always be competitive from the boys at Stanmore. The opportunity will be given to someone from our diverse community to enhance their education.

The School Council are exploring several demographic issues – one being the potential for co-education – that might shape Newington’s future.

Headmaster Michael Parker is a strong advocate for improving academic performances and results throughout the school. Unlike his predecessor Dr David Mulford was advocate for improving both academic and co curricular results. During his reign (2009-2018) the school won rugby premierships in 2010, 2012, 2013 co premiership with Scots, 2015 co premiership with Scots.

Maybe 2022 will be the year that Newington will win their first premiership under the reign of Mr Michael Parker.
 
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Black & White

Vay Wilson (31)
Rugby will always be competitive from the boys at Stanmore. The opportunity will be given to someone from our diverse community to enhance their education.

The School Council are exploring several demographic issues – one being the potential for co-education – that might shape Newington’s future.

Headmaster Michael Parker is a strong advocate for improving academic performances and results throughout the school. Unlike his predecessor Dr David Mulford was advocate for improving both academic and co curricular results. During his reign (2009-2018) the school won rugby premierships in 2010, 2012, 2013 co premiership with Scots, 2015 co premiership with Scots.

Maybe 2022 will be the year that Newington will win their first premiership under the reign of Mr Michael Parker.
Hello Love to Scrum

Yes I heard from the school council by a email for the Newington Community about the Issue of co-education. As an Old Boy, I don't believe there is much support for Co-Education for a number reasons. Firstly, will it take away places from boys, whose parents are planning to enrol their sons at Newington. On that point alone I believe Co-education will not occur. Newington has for some years now had an enrolment of 240-250 boys entering into Year 7. So clearly the Newington brand for parents is a popular one. Quick Hands provided some numbers, that said the school was booked out until at least 2027( My apologies QH if Have miss quoted the years). So the entry of girls into the College is likely to meet strong resistance, if the place of boys is threatened.

Next, I believe Newington has a tremendous relationship with MLC our sister school. Many of the so-called benefits of Coeducation occur already. For instance Both school have a joint Cadet Corps. For me personally, I got a great coeducational experience on Strathfield Railway Station socialising with the Ladies from MLC and PLC.

Next, as a teacher I can assure you, that the benefits of Co-education are greatly exaggerated. In fact, I have seen first hand that it can be an immensely negative experience. As Girls can be intimidated by the Boys.

The lost of places to girls, will mean a lost of sporting depth in our school teams. So Rugby, Soccer, in fact, I suspect all boys sports supporters will not welcome coeducation.

The cost of coeducation will not be cheap. More female teachers will be required to implement and operate the influx of girls. Plus, infrastructure such as Bathrooms, Change Rooms would also need to be build.

Next, if Newington was to add girls, on top the existing boys numbers, I doubt the school could could cope, unless, a costly rebuilding programme was under taken. Such an outlay would be better spent on Newington's core values of educating boys.

In this regard, the introduction of Male centred subjects should be given priority. Subjects such as Global Politics, Defence Studies, Studies in the Indo- Asia Pacific Region need to be introduced into Newington, In fact all Boys Schools need to make such a commitment to these subjects.

Politically, Coeducation would not be appreciated by Girl's Schools such as MLC and PLC. As it would impact on their enrolments.

I could go on, but the reality is there are simply too many negatives for the implmentation of coeducation at Newington.
 

Black & White

Vay Wilson (31)
Joker

....with Newington putting the idea to its community alongside a proposal to make the school more culturally and socio-economically diverse.

Simply put Boarding back on the table for discussion. I believe the school now only caters for a maximum of 50 (Yrs 9-12 only) who live in a residential street located between the school and Stanmore Train Station (was previously onsite with bigger numbers).

The 50 are not all full-time (Sydney based).

Many Regional parents would have been put off by the exclusion of Years 7 and 8 as well as the lack of boarding numbers. I know I was.

It would be beneficial for Rugby at Newington.
Hello Rudderless
You think as I do.My Word, we need more boarding at Newington. Too many Old boys finish up sending their sons to Kings or Kinross because Our Boarding House is simply too small. Hence, the expenditure on an expanded boarding programme and infrastructure, would be better appreciated by the Newington community, than the naivety of introducing coeducation.

Expanded boarding would also contribute to Newington's diversity, with boarding intakes from the Country, it would add more of a country perspective to the college. A boy who experiences Bushfires, Floods and Droughts will have a very a practical outlook on Life. As such, these life experiences would rub off onto our a city boys. Ideally, expanding their perspective on Life.

Yes, it would certainly benefit our Rugby, particularly, in the Open Age Group.
 
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Black & White

Vay Wilson (31)
Black and White will have some thoughts I'm sure
Quick Hands? You have a connection to Newington
Hello Joker

This Headmaster has some excellent Qualities, But I am deeply concerned he would even mention coeducation. As Newington projects itself as a specialist school, in Boys education. Girls would detract from this highly specialist area of professional educational development, at least within College. The joining of MLC and The boys within the cadet corps, is however, an acceptable direction for coeducation. See Coeducation can be achieved in numerous ways. The simple induction of 1,000 girls is not necessarily the only facet of coeducation. Joint school excursions, increasing social functions, and other aspects that would lead to greater interaction need to be considered. The occasional visit from girls school into Newington could also prove to be valuable. Also preparing boys for life outside school, can take numerous forms as well. It doesn't have to be coeducational.

But they will discussed by the school community. This needs to be done as the Headmaster at Newington,is not an autocrat. As such decisions need to approved by the School Council, Old Boys, Parents and Teaching Staff. At any stage, the Headmaster could be Rolled on the issue.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
But they will discussed by the school community. This needs to be done as the Headmaster at Newington,is not an autocrat. As such decisions need to approved by the School Council, Old Boys, Parents and Teaching Staff. At any stage, the Headmaster could be Rolled on the issue.
A cynic might imagine that the decision to go co-ed has already been made and the Headmaster is there to achieve that goal.
The cynic might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
 
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