My little rant (Giteau)

[Ruggo]

Re: My little rant

Throw him in at 10 against fiji and the Poms and make him do his own defence. The more he is covered for, the more the problem gets compounded.

 

[Rugby Rat]

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meh.. the guys know my position on Morts, Lote ( Gone) and Gitts. Ruffled a few yellow scarves at times.

Gitts came back into favour with me when we won in Brisbane last year. I flew up from Sydney and enjoyed a classic Wallaby win.

 

[liquor box]

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I just have a concern that if Giteau plays outside Cooper, who is going to straighten the attack?

I would be naming Giteau at 12 with either AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)/Chambers/Horne at 13, but run a lot of plays with Giteau at outside, and the 13 running straight/inside.

Thats good in theory, but makes the call to bring in one of those players closer to the game? I doubt Gits will offer to stand wider and give Deans a chance to see what a runner can do as opposed to a passer. Why not play 2 running centres and just have a 15 who can come in and play a passing role when required?

 

[Scarfman]

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Giteau at fullback?

10. Cooper
12. A. Finger or Chambers?
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
11. Mitchell
14. Ioane
15. Giteau

 

[the gambler]

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I actually quite like the look of that Scarfey. Not going to happen but would be fun to see against Fiji.

 

[DPK]

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If you want a fun backline, it's easy! :

9. Genia
10. Mitchell

 

[Langthorne]

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Looking at Aus 10s this season.
Cooper - always goes hard at the line from reasonably flat, throws good, fast, flat ball and puts players in holes. Looks bloody good.
Barnes (MarkII) - last few games for the Tahs - flatter, more direct, attacking the gain line, using cut-out options well, getting Tahs backline on front foot. Looks pretty good. Barnes (Mark I) - deep, static, ineffective, sooky!
Gits - deep, sideways crabbing, lots of aimless kicking, makes some breaks himself by running sideways and stepping, puts very few players in gaps. BUT, when at 2nd receiver tactical kicking is better, lateral movement more likely to create indecision from defenders. More effective.
To'omua - not enough opportunity, but see Barnes (Mark II).
Cooper and To'omua are the future at 10, Barnes could be good, Gits could be very, very good at 12 , with a GOOD 10 inside him.

Plus Barnes and Giteau defend well

 

[Scotty]

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Giteau at fullback?

10. Cooper
12. A. Finger or Chambers?
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
11. Mitchell
14. Ioane
15. Giteau

I think I suggested Giteau at fullback at the start of the year (along with Beale) - it wasn't received all that well at the time, but how times have changed.

I also suggested the following could work:

9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 Mitchell
12 Horne
13 AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
14 Ioane
15 Hynes

I can't see any reason why Horne wouldn't make as good a 12 as 13 and it gives Cooper a direct runner and great defender outside of him.

Or you could go a little more radical:

9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 Mitchell
12 Horne
13 Giteau
14 Ioane
15 AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)

Cooper would lead the first line of attack and Giteau the second line. He would love the extra space, and work well with AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) out wider.

 

[Scarfman]

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Yeah, it's all good. Anything - anything at all - as long as Gits isn't at 10. And to be honest, I need Barnes to work his way slowly back, because I've lost a lot of faith.

For myself, I reckon that Giteau is as close to a Tim Horan clone as we're ever likely to get.

 

[cyclopath]

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Yeah, it's all good. Anything - anything at all - as long as Gits isn't at 10. And to be honest, I need Barnes to work his way slowly back, because I've lost a lot of faith.

For myself, I reckon that Giteau is as close to a Tim Horan clone as we're ever likely to get.

18 minutes, and still no torrent of North O' Tweeders going apeshit on you, Scarfy. :nta: Is the internet down in Qld?

 

[Scarfman]

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Horan was the world's best 12, skills of a 10, got through gaps, lovely offloads, good speed, smart rugby player.

Giteau was - for a time - the world's best 12, and had his own armoury which also involved skills of a 10 and line breaking, and yes, offloads through half-gaps.

Timmy was a bit more direct than Gits, but I think he needs to hold down the 12 spot for a while and get the mojo back.

 

[Hawko]

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Giteau has been consistently awful this S14. At best I would put him in the Barbarians at 12 and let him prove he can get his head right. Everything he has done and said (especially said) indicates he thinks he has some sort of "right" to be treated differently. The Wallabies need a "no dickheads" policy where every performance is rated on its merits.

Twelve is the problematical position for me. Cooper selects himself at 10 by his performances. Back-up is Barnes, based on the last two weeks or O'Connor based on the whole comp. To'omua went well but got injured at the wrong time, keep him in reserve. Candidates for 13 would be AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Horne and Chambers, probably in that order. So for 12 we could do A. Fainga'a who is very green, Cross who went quite well there when selected (better than he went at 13) or O'Connor. Barnes did not impress at 12, though the last few weeks at 10 have been very excellent. I like the suggestion made above of Horne at 12, but I'd trial it in the Barbarians games. I'd take JOC (James O'Connor) as first choice with Ant as back-up.

Mitchell and Ioane on the wings with Turner and Rocket Rod in reserve. Cummins and Shepherd to get a run in the Barbarians with Shepherd having to prove his fitness. Potentially he is our best fullback, but has to prove fitness first. Hynes vs Beale for fullback, based on the whole season I'd pick Hynes with Beale in reserve.

All these picks are based on the form I saw in S14, I've seen almost every game except round 13 & 14, where I only saw the Tahs and Reds. IMO how you are playing is 99% of what gets you selected, your history last year 1%. I will agree however that not always will everyone see the same things as me in the game, so others will choose differently.

Sorry Brumbies fans, but I did not see much to impress me about the backline play, except for AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and To'omua.

 

[Aussie D]

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I think I suggested Giteau at fullback at the start of the year (along with Beale) - it wasn't received all that well at the time, but how times have changed.

I suggested it several years ago (back when we were all over at TSF) and was ridiculed for it. He would be very good at puting the Wallabies on the counter attack where there is more space for him to work in.

 

[disco]

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Gits two best games this year were at IC & his best game last year was against Wales where he wore #10 but played like a 12.

I just wish Giteau would one day wake up & say I'm an IC & a pretty fucking good one.

With Giteau playing number 10 is an ego thing "your not the man unless your #10" which is a load of shit.

 

[Scarfman]

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Giteau has been consistently awful this S14. At best I would put him in the Barbarians at 12 and let him prove he can get his head right. Everything he has done and said (especially said) indicates he thinks he has some sort of "right" to be treated differently. The Wallabies need a "no dickheads" policy where every performance is rated on its merits.

Twelve is the problematical position for me. Cooper selects himself at 10 by his performances. Back-up is Barnes, based on the last two weeks or O'Connor based on the whole comp. To'omua went well but got injured at the wrong time, keep him in reserve. Candidates for 13 would be AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Horne and Chambers, probably in that order. So for 12 we could do A. Fainga'a who is very green, Cross who went quite well there when selected (better than he went at 13) or O'Connor. Barnes did not impress at 12, though the last few weeks at 10 have been very excellent. I like the suggestion made above of Horne at 12, but I'd trial it in the Barbarians games. I'd take JOC (James O'Connor) as first choice with Ant as back-up.

Mitchell and Ioane on the wings with Turner and Rocket Rod in reserve. Cummins and Shepherd to get a run in the Barbarians with Shepherd having to prove his fitness. Potentially he is our best fullback, but has to prove fitness first. Hynes vs Beale for fullback, based on the whole season I'd pick Hynes with Beale in reserve.

All these picks are based on the form I saw in S14, I've seen almost every game except round 13 & 14, where I only saw the Tahs and Reds. IMO how you are playing is 99% of what gets you selected, your history last year 1%. I will agree however that not always will everyone see the same things as me in the game, so others will choose differently.

Sorry Brumbies fans, but I did not see much to impress me about the backline play, except for AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and To'omua.

I agree with every word of your form review, but remember that S14 form does not always meaninternational form.

But you've got:

10. Cooper
12. JOC (James O'Connor)
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
11. Mitchell
14. Ioane
15. Hynes

I reckon that's a good side, although I'm not sure about goalkickers. You might have to do a goalkicking form analysis. Don't worry too much about stats, they don't take into account difficulty of attempts.

1. Barnes
2. Giteau
3. JOC (James O'Connor)
4. Cooper

I suppose JOC (James O'Connor) + Cooper scrapes through.

 

[Rugby Rat]

So perhaps.. Barnes at 12 in defence Gitts at 10 and swapped around in attack.

 

[Scarfman]

Well, I reckon if you've got JOC (James O'Connor) in there, you don't need either Giteau or Barnes to kick goals. But If JOC (James O'Connor) is not in the XV, then I really don't want to play test footy with the Dachshund being thrown to win the game.

 

[Groucho]

So perhaps.. Barnes at 12 in defence Gitts at 10 and swapped around in attack.

Barnes is perfectly good in defence at 10. No need for that swap. Perhaps it is Cooper you're thinking of?

 

[Reddy!]

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That comment ^ is so stupid I'm tempted to make it the first post I ever delete on the grounds that it made me want to attack the compter.

Think before you type, son. "Attitude is great. He's just lazy." No worries there, then. He is a half-hearted tackler and it's a problem. Yes, he is getting better, but there's no need to make excuses for him.

Predictable - Green and Gold Rugby moderators ganging up on a poor little rugby enthusiast.

Anyway in rebuttal, Coopers attitude is great - as in he gets into the position to make the tackle, runs hard to get back onside to make the tackles; other poor defenders just won't even be there to make the tackle. He, however, has a lazy tackling technique as often he does not use his arms properly to hold his opponent and bring him to ground, but rather trys to almost shoulder charge them with arms flailing like Kermit the frog. Fix this and he will fix his defence.

Also, remember that time where I came 3rd in the G&GR tipping competition and Scarfman came 79th. Therefore I find it funny that someone like yourself can run around on this forum proclaiming your rugby know how by arrogantly suggesting you can delete all posts that you don't agree with.

 

[Rugby Rat]

So perhaps.. Barnes at 12 in defence Gitts at 10 and swapped around in attack.

Barnes is perfectly good in defence at 10. No need for that swap. Perhaps it is Cooper you're thinking of?

No. Barnes is great defensively at 10 or 12. If as discussed above that Gitts should be 12 in attack then I'd have Barnes at 10. Obviously Quade will be given his chance off the bench.

Really, all I want is for those selected to want to be there. Not just be there because they were selected. It is the highest of rugby accolades to be selected to represent your country. It should never be taken for granted nor should it be accepted only because of a contract paycheck. The pay is the bonus for commitment and passion.

With the World Cup in mind, we have a little more depth this year and if someone is injured they should not be selected until fully recovered. We play our fittest, not necessarily our best.

There are no unforced errors, only errors made due to pressure or mental lapse. I want to see 80 minutes of no mistake rugby. Yes I beleive we are good enough to do that.

PS.. That's my little rant.. lol.