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LOTE Sacked

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naza

Alan Cameron (40)
formeropenside said:
Basically, what Gagger said. When you are as high profile as LT, you will be watched extra closely. With great money comes great responsibility. He was on a warning, and still thought he could play up.

At the moment too, it shows a contrast between what is tolerated in league and union, which is also important. It sends a real message.

I was about to use those very words. He has taken on the high profile and the high pay and failed to deliver, on and off the field.

I'm stunned people are saying they are disappointed for Lote. You've got to be kidding me. He only has himself to blame for his behaviour and failure to perform at the highest standard. Welcome to the real world Lote.
 
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rugbywhisperer

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3+ pages of posts in 14 hours, just shows to go how much we have been evoked by this topic.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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naza said:
formeropenside said:
Basically, what Gagger said. When you are as high profile as LT, you will be watched extra closely. With great money comes great responsibility. He was on a warning, and still thought he could play up.

At the moment too, it shows a contrast between what is tolerated in league and union, which is also important. It sends a real message.

I was about to use those very words. He has taken on the high profile and the high pay and failed to deliver, on and off the field.

I'm stunned people are saying they are disappointed for Lote. You've got to be kidding me. He only has himself to blame for his behaviour and failure to perform at the highest standard. Welcome to the real world Lote.


He took the money offered to him, I can't begrudge a guy for negotiating well.

I just would like to know what happened, it is my sense of justice and fairness I guess. He wasn't sacked for not delivering on the field (inspite of us thinking that is the real issue) he appears to be sacked for off the field stuff and that stuff better be pretty serious as far as I care.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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It has always amused me how much vitriol is directed at Lote for having a fat contract. He didn't hold a gun to anyone's head, the muppets at ARU offered it for some reason, so perhaps they should be more the target of all the hate.
That said, he had some off-field indiscretions (the horrendous "ice-throwing" incident, some episodes of breaking curfew etc...) and was warned. If he crossed the line again, he has no-one else to blame, but just how far across the line is he? None of us yet now, so perhaps shouldn't speculate about police actions etc...
Far from "not delivering off field" as Naza put it, from all accounts he delivers a lot off field with hospital visits, charity stuff and the like, and whether some like to admit it or not, has raised the profile of the sport to some in Oz who otherwise mightn't have given a tinker's cuss about it.
I don't think he was worth the money they offered by a long shot, but if that is the underlying motivation to this episode, I agree with FP that it is a bit of a low way to go about it. Especially the charade about sending back to clubland to find some form, and naming him in the 30.
I think it has been shrewdly orchestrated in any case. Leak a few details about "an incident with a high profile player", then have a ridiculous press release about a food fight to prove how tough the ARU is on ANY indiscretion, then follow up with a shredded contract to emphasise their cojones (oh, and by the way save some money). I don't feel sorry for him, insofar as he made his choices, but it still sounds a bit weak.
Then again, maybe it will come out that he is in fact guilty of some major indiscretion and it is all completely justified.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Lote Tuqiri's days as a Wallaby and Waratah are over, after the Australian Rugby Union last night terminated his multi-million-dollar contract for unspecified reasons.

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UPDATE 10.28am Thursday: Australian Rugby Union chief executive John O'Neill told a press conference this morning that the ARU would be making no comment on the reasons for Tuqiri's dismissal as legal action was pending. He said Tuqiri knew the reasons and it was up to him if he wanted to discuss them publicly before any legal issues were resolved.

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The ARU provided only a minimum of detail as to why one of its highest-paid performers was no longer contracted, and would not confirm nor deny that it was because of a protocol or code of conduct breach.

When Tuqiri moved to the Australian rugby ranks from rugby league in 2003 it was to great fanfare, as it was an enormous coup for the code. He leaves it in bewildering circumstances after 67 Tests for the Wallabies, with his options at age 29 to play rugby overseas, return to rugby league or retire.

In a statement, the ARU said: "The employment contract of Lote Tuqiri has been terminated effective today. ARU has treated this issue as a standard employment matter. The ARU will not make any further comment on the matter as it may be the subject of legal proceedings."

Tuqiri, who spent part of yesterday attending his son's swimming lesson, will take legal action over the issue, with Mark O'Brien representing him.

There was a air of mystery last night over why Tuqiri had been sacked, with uncertainty over when, where and even whether he had been involved in an incident and, if he had, the extent of it. But it was well known that Tuqiri was on borrowed time with the ARU following previous code-of-conduct breaches, particularly in 2005 and 2007.

Tuqiri found himself labelled "Last Chance Lote" in 2007, shortly after John O'Neill took over from Gary Flowers as the ARU's chief executive officer, with the emphasis that another alcohol-related indiscretion could cost him his $5m contract.

Earlier that year, Flowers had signed Tuqiri to a five-year deal, worth $1m a season, until 2012.

However, O'Neill on his return to the ARU, appeared un-impressed with some of Tuqiri's indiscretions, the most notable being in 2005 when he and Wendell Sailor were fined and received two-match suspended sentences for being out late in a Cape Town nightclub.

Two years later, Tuqiri failed to attend a 10am Wallabies team medical, followed by a midnight curfew being imposed on him and Matt Dunning following an incident at their Brisbane team hotel. The players and several other people gathered in Dunning's hotel room until around 5.30am. A taxi driver was allegedly assaulted outside the hotel by a man who had been in the players' company.

After that, Tuqiri was made aware that any breach - no matter how minor - would put his contract in jeopardy. At the time, O'Neill told the Herald that Tuqiri was on his last chance and would have his ARU contract torn up if he was involved in any more transgressions.

"It was unacceptable behaviour … and they have been left in no doubt what the ramifications are if there is another offence."

Even on the field, it appeared Tuqiri's representative days were numbered. After an average season with the Waratahs, where he received few opportunities from a stuttering NSW back line, Tuqiri was overlooked for the first four matches by Wallabies coach Robbie Deans.

Although selected in the Wallabies squad, he could not make the 22-man line-up four weeks in a row. Tuqiri soon found himself relegated to fourth or fifth on the wing pecking order.

This confined Tuqiri to the Sydney club ranks, making him the most expensive and under-utilised winger in Australian rugby history.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
fatprop said:
naza said:
formeropenside said:
Basically, what Gagger said. When you are as high profile as LT, you will be watched extra closely. With great money comes great responsibility. He was on a warning, and still thought he could play up.

At the moment too, it shows a contrast between what is tolerated in league and union, which is also important. It sends a real message.

I was about to use those very words. He has taken on the high profile and the high pay and failed to deliver, on and off the field.

I'm stunned people are saying they are disappointed for Lote. You've got to be kidding me. He only has himself to blame for his behaviour and failure to perform at the highest standard. Welcome to the real world Lote.


He took the money offered to him, I can't begrudge a guy for negotiating well.

I just would like to know what happened, it is my sense of justice and fairness I guess. He wasn't sacked for not delivering on the field (inspite of us thinking that is the real issue) he appears to be sacked for off the field stuff and that stuff better be pretty serious as far as I care.

The real world isn't fair and just either.
Good workers get retrenched even when companies are still profitable and fatcat CEOs give themselves 7 figure bonuses. And the hard workers left get told to do 'more with less' and that they should be grateful to have a job. Personally I'm on the receiving end of a shafting - we've a pay rise cap of 2% this year because of some bullshit GFC excuse when sales revenue is up 10%.

So I have little sympathy with someone who consistently failed to perform to the levels expected of him, both on and off the field. He's been well rewarded for sub par performances and that was never going to be sustainable. It should hardly come as a surprise to him.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
I'm with Naza on this one. I don't hate Tuqiri for negotiating a good contract, but I don't feel sorry for him for losing it either. Let's face it, he doesn't really deserve it, does he?
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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No he doesn't deserve such a contract (nobody seems to argue he does) BUT does he deserve to get the arse for some spurious off-field thing (their reason for the torn up contract), when maybe their biggest motivation is that he is not playing well enough. The 2 are entirely separate issues. If his contract had run out I would not feel sorry if they just let him go, if they're trying a back door way to get out of it I think it is dodgy.
 
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rugbywhisperer

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Like the good little student I am, I am waiting on more evidence - and it will come, one way or another and should something clear not be forthcoming then Lote's actions in response will show us the way.
 
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formeropenside

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cyclopath said:
No he doesn't deserve such a contract (nobody seems to argue he does) BUT does he deserve to get the arse for some spurious off-field thing (their reason for the torn up contract), when maybe their biggest motivation is that he is not playing well enough. The 2 are entirely separate issues. If his contract had run out I would not feel sorry if they just let him go, if they're trying a back door way to get out of it I think it is dodgy.

Cyclo, I'm a lawyer, although not an employment specialist. If your contract is such that you may be terminated for cause, and those causes defined, then you take very special care, if you like your pay packet.
 
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OZGOD

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Well whatever it is, must've been bloody frigging serious for JON and the boffins at the ARU to do something as high profile as this. You'd think Lote had done a Jesse "I Am NZ Crucket" Ryder thing and punched a pub window or something like that, for them to make the decision. As JON said you never make these kinds of decisions lightly, particularly not with the money involved. They must have some pretty dirty laundry.

It's kind of funny how JON is going all James Bondy about it though eh. "Lote knows the reasons and if he wants to share them before legal action commences that's his decision" etc. :lmao:

As for Lote himself, I have mixed feelings. As a former Tah season ticket holder for years before I had to relocate to the Land of the Seppos, I remember his arrival along with that of Medicare Mat and Wendy White Line (afterwards) - he never played as well as I thought he could've played but I think he played pretty well all things considered, probably one of the better league converts along with Barnes. Particularly in the earlier years when he still had a bit of pace. I remember a Test he played against England in 2004 in Brisbane where the Poms copped a hiding and our backs ran all over them, that was one of Lote's best I felt. He turned into a Wendell type crashballer towards the end which didn't help him or the Tahs or the Wallabies. Expectations were high and he failed to live up to his earlier promise, and at $1M Aussie definitely a ripoff but overall I reckon he got bums on seats and lifted the profile of the game.

On another note, where the fuck's Nick the Aussie? Haven't seen him around for yonks.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
OzG,

I think Lote WAS one of the better converts, but hasn't really played to anything near potential for close to 5 years. He could have been so much better.

Not sure if you can classify Barnes as a league convert, since he played for all of what 1-2 years and before and after has played union.
 

eddo

Larry Dwyer (12)
You know,.. .the more I get a chance to think about this the more I resent JON and the whole frikken ARU establishment. They are a bunch of tossers.

If Tuq's has molested a teenager, then fine - this is the way to handle it. But if this is a repeat so & so,.. or anything non-police related, then the timing and manner of all this sucks and stinks of disrespect to all the players. Where is the Players Association on this - no comment at all? JON has his agenda buried deep on this for sure.

No one deserves to be sacked from any business like this. Where was Tuq's chance to come out to the media first and say what was going on? Why not let him retire gracefully or give him time to find a contract elsewhere while the 3N was distracting everyone else. He could have come out in a couple of weeks and said that since his Wallaby days were seemingly over he was going to go experience the world, but no, the ARU shot him in both knees and have basically ruined any hope he had of even returning to Aus at all. What a way to look after your own hey.

While we can't afford to have Lote win big in court, I hope he makes the pricks at the top of this organization look like massive jerks,.. Heads could role on this one.. It's like the princess di cover up!..
 

Sully

Tim Horan (67)
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I guess we all just have to wait for the truth to come out. I have wondered how he has made a lot of the tests teams he has but that has nothing to do with why he got fired.

But we can speculate as much as we like!
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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formeropenside said:
cyclopath said:
No he doesn't deserve such a contract (nobody seems to argue he does) BUT does he deserve to get the arse for some spurious off-field thing (their reason for the torn up contract), when maybe their biggest motivation is that he is not playing well enough. The 2 are entirely separate issues. If his contract had run out I would not feel sorry if they just let him go, if they're trying a back door way to get out of it I think it is dodgy.

Cyclo, I'm a lawyer, although not an employment specialist. If your contract is such that you may be terminated for cause, and those causes defined, then you take very special care, if you like your pay packet.
FOS I accept all that, and if he has transgressed, they have a reason to do what they did. I just think they may be achieving an end (get some money back on a bad investment) by slightly disingenuous means (finding what may be a pretty trivial transgression), and it leaves a bit of a bad taste. But as I said, we still don't know what he did.
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
eddo said:
You know,.. .the more I get a chance to think about this the more I resent JON and the whole frikken ARU establishment. They are a bunch of tossers.

If Tuq's has molested a teenager, then fine - this is the way to handle it. But if this is a repeat so & so,.. or anything non-police related, then the timing and manner of all this sucks and stinks of disrespect to all the players. Where is the Players Association on this - no comment at all? JON has his agenda buried deep on this for sure.

No one deserves to be sacked from any business like this. Where was Tuq's chance to come out to the media first and say what was going on? Why not let him retire gracefully or give him time to find a contract elsewhere while the 3N was distracting everyone else. He could have come out in a couple of weeks and said that since his Wallaby days were seemingly over he was going to go experience the world, but no, the ARU shot him in both knees and have basically ruined any hope he had of even returning to Aus at all. What a way to look after your own hey.

While we can't afford to have Lote win big in court, I hope he makes the pricks at the top of this organization look like massive jerks,.. Heads could role on this one.. It's like the princess di cover up!..

why such hate for the top?
 

Epi

Dave Cowper (27)
Regardless of what happened - the fact that nobody is none the wiser about what happened 24 hours later is just plain weird...

Where's that dribbler Danny Weidler when you need him??
 
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