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I'm not so sure about this.
Is there any correlation between the two in a particularly positive light?
I'd be equally willing to bet that the players who would 'play for nothing' would also be of the mind that 'what goes on tour stays on tour' and 'boys will be boys' etc.
Some of the so called 'mercenaries' across multiple teams are close to the most professional and well behaved players in the game.
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Fair point BH. SBW. Absolute mercenary. Also absolute professional.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
After now having a chance to read the text message exchange between Di and Beale, I make the following observations:-
1) Beale deserves to be sacked. I have no respect for people that engage in that type of behaviour. Workplace bullying destroys people's lives.
2) The ARU investigation is warranted. If it is revealed that Link or any of the coaching staff were made aware of this incident and didn't act, the ARU will open itself up to a law suit.
3) The text message seem to indicate that Di would not be informing Link as to what had happened. Seems like Di (like too many before her) tried to give Beale a second chance only to be burned.
I'm really hoping that there will be a light at the end of the tunnel and that this incident will see the last of this type of behaviour.
1) Beale deserves to be sacked. I have no respect for people that engage in that type of behaviour. Workplace bullying destroys people's lives.
2) The ARU investigation is warranted. If it is revealed that Link or any of the coaching staff were made aware of this incident and didn't act, the ARU will open itself up to a law suit.
3) The text message seem to indicate that Di would not be informing Link as to what had happened. Seems like Di (like too many before her) tried to give Beale a second chance only to be burned.
I'm really hoping that there will be a light at the end of the tunnel and that this incident will see the last of this type of behaviour.
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Chris McKivat (8)
Definitely Pat McCabe. There is a guy who gave everything for the Jersey.
I can think of some younger guys who might jump at the chance to play for the Wallabies without pay being an issue. Sio for example.
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These are the parts I find so interesting. The enigma that is Kurtley Beale. So trouble yet so unbelievably popular with the playing groups who never seem to resent him for the off-field distractions which creep into their lives.
At some point surely no matter who good a bloke he comes across, you'd have to think, being mates with this bloke is just too much trouble?
Yet even players like Delve have come to his defense.
Whilst I'm not at all defending Beale, and have in fact been the opposite all along, one must think there is some decency to him somewhere, for the amount of people the consistently defend and support him through all of this.
It's interesting how negatively people are viewing Michael Hooper's backing of KB (Kurtley Beale).
His comments that the team is tight and the Wallabies want to be a team that looks after its own seem to speak more to a general attitude than a specific backing of Beale.
The actual quotes from Hooper seem to all relate to the team supporting Beale and not wanting him to be sacked rather than specifically discussing the issue and whether Beale's actions warrant sacking.
I would hope that the Wallabies support all their teammates until such time as that person is no longer their teammate.
They are not there to make decisions about players' futures so its much better for team harmony for them to be entirely supportive than forming opinions about whether someone within their team deserves their continued support or not.
His comments that the team is tight and the Wallabies want to be a team that looks after its own seem to speak more to a general attitude than a specific backing of Beale.
The actual quotes from Hooper seem to all relate to the team supporting Beale and not wanting him to be sacked rather than specifically discussing the issue and whether Beale's actions warrant sacking.
I would hope that the Wallabies support all their teammates until such time as that person is no longer their teammate.
They are not there to make decisions about players' futures so its much better for team harmony for them to be entirely supportive than forming opinions about whether someone within their team deserves their continued support or not.
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It's a bad look when all reports say he definitely committed a sackable offence (or more an offence that if the perpetrator was not sacked, would be a massive HR disgrace for the company) and when asked if he should be sacked responded, "no".
If he didn't want to hang Kurtley out to dry he could have done a number of things, and stated the Wallabies have high standards though he doesn't have all the facts and shouldn't comment because of that.
Instead, with the information out there, he said he thought Beale should stay.
If he didn't want to hang Kurtley out to dry he could have done a number of things, and stated the Wallabies have high standards though he doesn't have all the facts and shouldn't comment because of that.
Instead, with the information out there, he said he thought Beale should stay.
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Jim Clark (26)
What I saw him say last night on the news seemed to be an unequivocal 'no' to whether Beale should be sacked. I think that is what people are referring to when they refer to his bad judgement, as he shouldn't express that opinion when there seems a cut and dried HR issue.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
One question I ask is, had Di raised the issue with team management when it occurred, what would have been Beale's fate. The incident may have been mediated successfully at that time with Beale merely copping a suspension and warning.
I wonder what the legal implications could be to the ARU if they do not terminate Beale's employment. Given that Di has already resigned it is probably neither here nor there. Had she resigned due to a failure by the ARU to deal with the incident appropriately then there could be legal consequences. Does anyone have a background in Employment Law? Mine is very limited.
I wonder what the legal implications could be to the ARU if they do not terminate Beale's employment. Given that Di has already resigned it is probably neither here nor there. Had she resigned due to a failure by the ARU to deal with the incident appropriately then there could be legal consequences. Does anyone have a background in Employment Law? Mine is very limited.
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Common sense would have to say that the fact she withheld the information from management would prevent any claim against the ARU.
Now as for the media outlets who have dragged her personal and professional reputation through the mud, likely being a major factor in her resignation, including but not limited to:
Now as for the media outlets who have dragged her personal and professional reputation through the mud, likely being a major factor in her resignation, including but not limited to:
- incorrectly claiming her professional qualifications were false;
- incorrectly claiming she was in a relationship with Ewen McKenzie.
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The ones who asked McKenzie if he was certainly have come close.
We take this stuff seriously @old fella. If you see something defamatory report it and we will get rid of it.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
defamatory publications can include any comment which has implications that will cause others to shun, ridicule or avoid you. The papers suggesting that there are rumors that Ewen and Di were in a relationship, would be defamatory in my view, against both Link and Di.
EDIT: unless there was some truth to the comments obviously
EDIT: unless there was some truth to the comments obviously
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Jim Clark (26)
A simple majority in the case of internal matters, but a two-thirds majority for more major ones.
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