Kurtley Beale

[mst]

Is there anyone in the rugby community who has a plan to get all facts out into the open? We need a honest broker with skill and expertise to bring all the warring parties together; to be able to trust but verify all claims; and to exhaustively examine all points of view. Every person who has had a part in this saga needs to be relentlessly questioned in an open forum.
Can this be done? Is there a mechanism? Does such an impartial person exist?
Only then will we be able to enjoy what the wallabies do on the field.

I think before we work out what to do we need to understand what will end this.

IMHO I think that from a supporters point of view, (and from outside of NSW) that the ARU has insulted our intelligence and continues to treat us as stupid people.

We know about the Beale / Patson issue, we know from McKenzie in his words about losing the dressing room. So supporters are aware that their are other players knew about the Beale thing, and that was reinforced with so many making public statements (coincidently all Tahs). We are also aware that obviously there is a player power issue in the Wallabies and it all points to a certain group.

Supporters want the truth and would be happy if they were wrong, but until the truth comes out the supporters have shown they have a strong sense of justice, and they have values, standards and expectations of all players and officials in the Wallabies environment, and they want it enforced and the ARU wont do it, rather they are covering it up.

The ARU actions, intentional of not have reinforced the resolve of supporters to force the truth out or force the ARU to take suitable actions to resolve the issues. The public is aware that in the corridors of NSW the was a power play to actively remove McKenzie. For most, its plausible and most likely in their minds to have been connected to certain current board members and some in NSW rugby. This thought process is made more tangible by certain non-players continuing to public back people apparently unsolicited - but these same people are in the position of power the public see as suspicious


The ARU are trying to weather the storm, but I believe this storm is the 150 year storm that wont go easily, and will continue until post WRC 2015 unless the ARU man up. It will cost players and officials and hurt, but I think it maybe the cleansing, the coup that changes the game forever, and may actually be the turning point for the game and propel it to a bright future, away from the shackles of the old school boys club administration.

The longer this goes unresolved, the more it threatens the game. It will continue to haunt Australian rugby, always there in the background with us all waiting for the closet with the skeletons to be opened. It will keep sponsor and fans away, and the rusted on nervous.

I will put my hand up and say I will not forget, accept things as they are and will not let it go without answers.

 

[daz]

this batfisted cat-shag of a fucking sideshow.

That must have been very satisfying to write, cyclo. It certainly rolls off the tongue in a pleasing manner.

Feel better now?

 

[Scrubber2050]

Rugby supporters are a very forgiving group of inclusive, incisive intelligent (even from south of the border) people.

They just want to win rugby games, games played in an exciting manner.

The shit that sometimes surrounds our game (and other games) pales into insigificance when the big picture is looked at.

 

[No4918]

Rugby supporters are a very forgiving group of inclusive, incisive intelligent (even from south of the border) people.

They just want to win rugby games, games played in an exciting manner.

The shit that sometimes surrounds our game (and other games) pales into insigificance when the big picture is looked at.

Yep, we can start supporting the Reds again soon.

 

[Froggy]

mst, you try to come across as some voice of reason, you trash (quite correctly) all the unsubstantiated assumptions journo's like Wilson make, you launch a vitriolic personal attack on anyone who doesn't take your point of view, and then you come up with your own, completely unsubstantiated plot from NSW rugby to get rid of Link!
Well yes, that's it, the whole issue is a plot by that most evil of all races, Waratahs! In fact, they're actually aliens that can disguise themselves to look like footballers to destroy the world as we know it, just as back in 1963 they disguised thensleves as a grassy knoll, and in 1967 as a Russian sub and took Haold Holt!
Good on you, keep it up!

 

[Beefcake]

I think before we work out what to do we need to understand what will end this.

IMHO I think that from a supporters point of view, (and from outside of NSW) that the ARU has insulted our intelligence and continues to treat us as stupid people.

We know about the Beale / Patson issue, we know from McKenzie in his words about losing the dressing room. So supporters are aware that their are other players knew about the Beale thing, and that was reinforced with so many making public statements (coincidently all Tahs). We are also aware that obviously there is a player power issue in the Wallabies and it all points to a certain group.

Supporters want the truth and would be happy if they were wrong, but until the truth comes out the supporters have shown they have a strong sense of justice, and they have values, standards and expectations of all players and officials in the Wallabies environment, and they want it enforced and the ARU wont do it, rather they are covering it up.

The ARU actions, intentional of not have reinforced the resolve of supporters to force the truth out or force the ARU to take suitable actions to resolve the issues. The public is aware that in the corridors of NSW the was a power play to actively remove McKenzie. For most, its plausible and most likely in their minds to have been connected to certain current board members and some in NSW rugby. This thought process is made more tangible by certain non-players continuing to public back people apparently unsolicited - but these same people are in the position of power the public see as suspicious


The ARU are trying to weather the storm, but I believe this storm is the 150 year storm that wont go easily, and will continue until post WRC 2015 unless the ARU man up. It will cost players and officials and hurt, but I think it maybe the cleansing, the coup that changes the game forever, and may actually be the turning point for the game and propel it to a bright future, away from the shackles of the old school boys club administration.

The longer this goes unresolved, the more it threatens the game. It will continue to haunt Australian rugby, always there in the background with us all waiting for the closet with the skeletons to be opened. It will keep sponsor and fans away, and the rusted on nervous.

I will put my hand up and say I will not forget, accept things as they are and will not let it go without answers.

Supporter entitlement? Is there such a thing? Are supporters entitled the truth and can you handle the truth? With the market etc you'd think the exchange of rugby as a product to punters, the relationship is merely one of trade - Does the ARU owe the public anything other than good rugby.. given the supporter demographics, some just want good running rugby 'entertainment' everything else is excessive - You may say rugby is nothing without supporters, but equally - it's zip without players and esp for the Wobs good players - not in favour of Beale but generally.

 

[mst]

Rugby supporters are a very forgiving group of inclusive, incisive intelligent (even from south of the border) people.

They just want to win rugby games, games played in an exciting manner.

The shit that sometimes surrounds our game (and other games) pales into insignificance when the big picture is looked at.

Except this doesn't seem to be dying, and there is a long ways to go before we have a suitable distractions like soup!

This ones different. Its has many different elements to ensure its pissed off a whole range of people, and as there are so ment elements its hard to forget, It will keep on giving as it cut to the core of some of the "rigby supporter beliefs".

EG: one of the things the differentiates our players from mungo players is there normality; being humble, decent, approachable and people you want and can talk to. That has been tainted and people will not accept it. Its also offend then that innocent players are suffering because of it.

This has some significantly large human and personal elements that just don't get forgotten like....bubbling, or getting drunk and being a dickhead.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

But The Wallabies set-up really needs to put some fucking corks in fucking mouths and oversee the conduit of information a bit better at the moment. It beggars belief that we are still getting random quotes from all mannner of players and staff in the wake of this batfisted cat-shag of a fucking sideshow.
Take the cover off the driver, Cheika, and tee-up!!

That's been one of the worst parts of this whole ridiculous affair: the complete lack of discipline when it comes to dealing with the media. The players have been given effectively carte-blanche to comment freely on this issue. Just because a journalist asks a question doesn't mean you need to give an answer. Several of the players (including the fucking captain!) have had a little too much to say on the matter. Close ranks, go through the process and have one mouthpiece. Done.

 

[Braveheart81]

Are we sure the captain wasn't the official mouthpiece for the team.

I agree completely that several of his statements should have been worded better but it seems like he was the spokesman for the team rather than being the prime example of players talking to the media when they shouldn't.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Are we sure the captain wasn't the official mouthpiece for the team.

I agree completely that several of his statements should have been worded better but it seems like he was the spokesman for the team rather than being the prime example of players talking to the media when they shouldn't.

Wasn't just him though, was it? We had AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Foley and now Phipps offering a view on one side and then Lilo and QC (Quade Cooper) offering their opinion of Patston. They look like a rabble frankly.

 

[cyclopath]

That must have been very satisfying to write, cyclo. It certainly rolls off the tongue in a pleasing manner.

Feel better now?

Much.

 

[mst]

Supporter entitlement? Is there such a thing? Are supporters entitled the truth and can you handle the truth? With the market etc you'd think the exchange of rugby as a product to punters, the relationship is merely one of trade - Does the ARU owe the public anything other than good rugby.. given the supporter demographics, some just want good running rugby 'entertainment' everything else is excessive - You may say rugby is nothing without supporters, but equally - it's zip without players and esp for the Wobs good players - not in favour of Beale but generally.

True, but there are plenty of good players suffering in the background I want to see play.

As for what the ARU owes us, its simple, do you job and protect our game. At the end of the day you need both supporters and players in balance. We scan argue argue ethics and philosophies all we want, but sadly bums on seats (at grounds and in front of TV) rules in this debate. No $$ no game.

Its a competitive market in Australia and you need to have an established brand identity, and one of the defining differences (IMHO) was that Rugby had higher behaviour standards, was less egotistical with humble superstars and relativity dickhead free. It didnt tolerate BS.

That has changed and I think this is being felt by the supporters, and they don't want to lose the games identity their identity.

Have a read of this: http://www.sportsnetworker.com/2012/02/15/the-psychology-of-sports-fans-what-makes-them-so-crazy/

 

[Braveheart81]

Wasn't just him though, was it? We had AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Foley and now Phipps offering a view on one side and then Lilo and QC (Quade Cooper) offering their opinion of Patston. They look like a rabble frankly.

I tend to think Hooper was more talking as an official spokesperson as captain than talking out of line constantly.

If you look at most of the interviews, the players do try and get the questions back on topic to the rugby.

Look at Link's press conference where he announced the team for the third Bledisloe. Every single media question then related to this saga.

The players are put in front of journalists. They don't get to decide the questions. I agree with what Qwerty51 said previously that saying "no comment" to every question they didn't want to answer is not the way to deal with things.

 

[Rucks and Mauls]

Which one is the dribbler?

 

[Rucks and Mauls]

I'd rather hack my ears off with a butter knife than listen to that spiteful dribbler and that self righteous bitch.

Which one is the dribbler??

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

BH, sure fair enough, though I did like Cheika's opening salvo: "don't ask me about Kurtley, there's a process in progress and I'm saying nothing".

 

[Baldric]

We know about the Beale / Patson issue, we know from McKenzie in his words about losing the dressing room. So supporters are aware that their are other players knew about the Beale thing, and that was reinforced with so many making public statements (coincidently all Tahs). We are also aware that obviously there is a player power issue in the Wallabies and it all points to a certain group.

OK, so we have a group of players wanting to get rid of the coach and on the other side we have an administration hell bent (according to Jones et al) hell bent on getting rid of Beale.

This is like badger v baboon.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

A lot can be learned concerning how to deal with the media from this:

 

[cornetto]

I think that if anything is being shown here is that IMHO you are out of your depth and clearly this is beyond your comprehension and intellect.

Why would she front a tribunal hearing that is to deal with someone else? To suit you?

Is it setting up a lawsuit or actually fact? It does seem that the evidence would support her claim that she was bullied.

Their comes a point where I must say we appreciate that you are willing to continue to demonstrate new and different ways to show there are dickheads alive and well in the community.

However, there is a limit, and you have now gone beyond it. Ignorance is a behaviour and your comments are clearly offensive.

I will say that you are the type person I do not want near the game, and if you can actually read, will have noticed that majority here on the GAGR do not want the behaviours anywhere near them.

From a personal point of view. if you were a Brumbies supporter, by now I would be wanting to identify you, so I could petition to have you made ineligible to be a member!

Interesting post mst.

One thing you will note if you read any of my posts is that I have not made any low brow personal attacks on anyone on this forum. Yet you are calling me a dickhead and criticising me for a lack of intelligence? Can you not see the irony in that? Lift you game mate.

Nothing about my comments are offensive. I wanted (and still do) KB (Kurtley Beale) kicked out of the game. I felt sorry for DP up until the article on Monday. If she was interested in the truth then she should have appeared at the tribunal AND then taken it further in court if that is her want. If she is telling the truth 100% then KB (Kurtley Beale) might no longer be with us, which is what most? of us wanted.

It is this comment from her that annoys me the most: "I actually said to my dad I felt bullied into not telling anyone about the photos because I was embarrassed"

Having been sent the text is most certainly bullying. Saying she felt bullied because she was embarrassed doesn't make a lot of sense. Hey, I could be wrong, and she will happily walk off and never go to court. If she does Ill send you a 6 pack of 1996 tooheys red Ive been saving for a special day as a peace offering.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Having been sent the text is most certainly bullying. Saying she felt bullied because she was embarrassed doesn't make a lot of sense. Hey, I could be wrong, and she will happily walk off and never go to court. If she does Ill send you a 6 pack of 1996 tooheys red Ive been saving for a special day as a peace offering.

An appropriate vintage, I would think, given the trevails of the Wallabies then and now!