Ireland v Wallabies - Sunday 1 Dec, 2:10 AEDT

[Tomthumb]

Re Tate McDermott.
There are two recent rule changes that make play from behind a scrum or ruck/maul much more difficult forthe halfback:
a) the referees down his throat with the five second rule. This gives the half very little time to make a decision as to box kicking it (and hard/soft the kick), passing it, or running it.
b) that player's on your team can no longer obstruct an opposing (loose) forward aiming to take out the halfback.
So Tomthumb, (by your name, I assume you were a halfback in a subdivision team); think some more before you critise

These rules are the same for every player though, so I don't really get your point

 

[Brumby Runner]

I guess it's not a productive point though because he must fit the idea Schmidt has for the type of play he wants. Tate and Gordon are by far the best attacking 9s and he has shown a preference to them. I trust the coaches do work with them on skills, and it might be a reality check to come against teams like Ireland which put more pressure on you that you need to do more...

If he wanted a dummy half with a good pass then Lonergan would be an option but he doesn't seem to be on the radar.

This looks to be so, but I wonder just how much the rest of our backline would benefit with a dummy half style of play at least for part of the game.

 

[emuarse]

These rules are the same for every player though, so I don't really get your point

The point is that the halfback has a lot more decisions to make in a shorter period of time. This was also reflected in Jake's game as well.
Refs were a bit loose with their clearance times for the halves prior to the 5 second rule. They have really stepped up on this recently.

 

[Tomthumb]

The point is that the halfback has a lot more decisions to make in a shorter period of time. This was also reflected in Jake's game as well.
Refs were a bit loose with their clearance times for the halves prior to the 5 second rule. They have really stepped up on this recently.

Tate's pass and kick are demonstrably worse than his contemporaries though, regardless of the rules

 

[JRugby2]

The point is that the halfback has a lot more decisions to make in a shorter period of time. This was also reflected in Jake's game as well.
Refs were a bit loose with their clearance times for the halves prior to the 5 second rule. They have really stepped up on this recently.

They really haven't - time is pretty obviously correlated with how much pressure is applied by the opposition, not the referee.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

This looks to be so, but I wonder just how much the rest of our backline would benefit with a dummy half style of play at least for part of the game.

I personally don't think they would as it allows an opposition to put more pressure on 10 and push the Centres laterally.

Gordon and Tate can hold the close defenders just that bit longer because you can't give them the opening. Lets the ball get to guys like Ikitau, Wright & JAS with a bit more free space.

I like Lonergan and think he's a deserving starter at Super Rugby, but he has a few guys ahead of him that offer an extra point of difference/threat at Test level.

 

[LeCheese]

If he wanted a dummy half with a good pass then Lonergan would be an option but he doesn't seem to be on the radar.

He's very clearly on the radar given he was captain and starting 9 v England A - from what's been said, I'm not sure that game did much to help his cause, however.

 

[Pfitzy]

Fuck me, it's such a tiring and frankly absurd rhetoric.

You're new here?

 

[Derpus]

Tate isn't a professional as he clearly doesn't practice his passing.
Noah isn't a professional as he clearly doesn't practice his kicks to touch.
Harry Wilson isn't a professional as he clearly doesn't practice his leg drive through contact.
[Insert hooker here] isn't a professional as he clearly doesn't practice his lineout throwing.
........

Fuck me, it's such a tiring and frankly absurd rhetoric.

Nothing better than 'back in my day' brain damaged rhetoric from alcoholic boomers to drive constructive dialogue.

 

[Dctarget]

Nothing better than 'back in my day' brain damaged rhetoric from alcoholic boomers to drive constructive dialogue.

I did receive this from a mate the other day