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Trevor Allan (34)
Re: Oz U20 squad
He is playing second grade for Easts.
He is playing second grade for Easts.
IRB U/20 Tournament and Oz Squad
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Eyes and Ears
Bob Davidson (42)
Re: Oz U20 squad
He has been playing 2nd Grade at Easts after originally being picked in 4th Grade in Round 1. He is too small and too quiet at this stage.
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He has been playing 2nd Grade at Easts after originally being picked in 4th Grade in Round 1. He is too small and too quiet at this stage.
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Trevor Allan (34)
Re: Oz U20 squad
He is a good kicker of the footy though and given time he will develop into a decent senior 5/8 in my opinion. Decent skill set. As you said though he needs to put on a bit of bulk.
I don't think that is correct that he got picked in 4th grade in Round 1. I am pretty sure he came back from injury about Round 4 or 5 and played 4th grade that day, backed up got on in 3rd grade and then backed up got on in 2nd grade. Was in 2nd grade the next week....
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He is a good kicker of the footy though and given time he will develop into a decent senior 5/8 in my opinion. Decent skill set. As you said though he needs to put on a bit of bulk.
I don't think that is correct that he got picked in 4th grade in Round 1. I am pretty sure he came back from injury about Round 4 or 5 and played 4th grade that day, backed up got on in 3rd grade and then backed up got on in 2nd grade. Was in 2nd grade the next week....
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Bob Davidson (42)
Re: Oz U20 squad
I reckon the tight five is the weakness again. They are big locks but they are fresh out of school and have not yet been hardened by a season of First Grade. The front rowers are very weak for mine - none of them have played a season of First Grade either. I don't know much about PAE but Sio is playing 2nd Grade, Roberson has struggled and will be in 3rd Grade when he comes back and 2 of them have been in Perth where I can't imagine they have had much hard football.
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I reckon the tight five is the weakness again. They are big locks but they are fresh out of school and have not yet been hardened by a season of First Grade. The front rowers are very weak for mine - none of them have played a season of First Grade either. I don't know much about PAE but Sio is playing 2nd Grade, Roberson has struggled and will be in 3rd Grade when he comes back and 2 of them have been in Perth where I can't imagine they have had much hard football.
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Re: Oz U20 squad
PAE has never started but has come off the bench for Sunnybank in Premier Grade
Lee Grant said:Eyes and Ears said:
Stop reading my mail.
More seriously: you are right, and have agreed with what I wrote in this thread earlier on the matter - they will be better next year - though I believe PAE has played 1st grade in Brisbane, Anybody?
PAE has never started but has come off the bench for Sunnybank in Premier Grade
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Re: Oz U20 squad
He does have Albert Anae and Greg Holmes in front of him though!
He does have Albert Anae and Greg Holmes in front of him though!
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John Eales (66)
Re: Oz U20 squad
PS I missed this on first reading:
Wrong - Salesi Manu has been starting for a top club this year - Manly. One of the reasons why they have been going well is because of their front row, and Salesi has been denying right shoulder when opponents have wanted it all season, and can start a wheel legally. If the Tahs don't give him a professional Academy spot for 2011 they are nuts because some other outfit will.
PS I missed this on first reading:
Eyes and Ears said:
Wrong - Salesi Manu has been starting for a top club this year - Manly. One of the reasons why they have been going well is because of their front row, and Salesi has been denying right shoulder when opponents have wanted it all season, and can start a wheel legally. If the Tahs don't give him a professional Academy spot for 2011 they are nuts because some other outfit will.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Re: Oz U20 squad
With Manu having played top grade for Manly and Jones getting a bit of S14 time, there is at least some top flight experience in the tight five. Backrow will be awesome and interesting to see who they pick.
Looks like they could be a bit light for experienced 13's after Bennetts although I recall Mitchell playing there at schools level.
With Manu having played top grade for Manly and Jones getting a bit of S14 time, there is at least some top flight experience in the tight five. Backrow will be awesome and interesting to see who they pick.
Looks like they could be a bit light for experienced 13's after Bennetts although I recall Mitchell playing there at schools level.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Re: Oz U20 squad
Pretty sure I said "a season of First Grade" - Salesi has played the first 6 games this year after playing 2nd Grade last year.
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Pretty sure I said "a season of First Grade" - Salesi has played the first 6 games this year after playing 2nd Grade last year.
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Re: Oz U20 squad
knit picking really
knit picking really
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Re: Oz U20 squad
Re: 13
As previously mentioned in this thread, Kimani and Shipperley can play there at a pinch.
Re: 13
As previously mentioned in this thread, Kimani and Shipperley can play there at a pinch.
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John Solomon (38)
Re: Oz U20 squad
They are U20's. If you expect all these young props to be starting First Grade round 1 the first year out of school you have high expectations. It's much harder cracking First Grade in the front row compared to the backs considering the time it takes to develop physically to match it with the older, seasoned row. For me Manu has been going great guns.
Eyes and Ears said:
They are U20's. If you expect all these young props to be starting First Grade round 1 the first year out of school you have high expectations. It's much harder cracking First Grade in the front row compared to the backs considering the time it takes to develop physically to match it with the older, seasoned row. For me Manu has been going great guns.
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John Eales (66)
Re: Oz U20 squad
You did too and I should have read more carefully. That's one to you mate.
Salesi, who was over 120kgs in school in 2008, played a few games in 1st grade from the bench after playing 2nd grade all of 2009, but he was closer to 18 than 19 when he started the 2009 season. PAE is just 18 years and 6 months now so you wouldn't have expected him to start in 1st grade.
As Brumbies guy said: you are not going to get many props starting in 1st grade in the year after leaving school so therefore they are not going to satisfy a requirement to have a full season of 1st grade under their belt when they are picked for an U/20 team in their 2nd year.
Salesi missed selection in the 2009 U/20s squad when the 3 props chosen were more than a year older than he was; so I guess the real question is: why aren't the lads who were a full year older than PAE and Sio in the 2010 squad? Why weren't Salesi's 2008 Oz Schools prop contemporaries: Rutledge, Brass, Feao, Matt Mafi and Josh Daley picked instead of the 2 younger blokes?
One can only assume that the selectors took the age difference into account and picked PAE and Sio anyway. They are very bloody good.
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You did too and I should have read more carefully. That's one to you mate.
Salesi, who was over 120kgs in school in 2008, played a few games in 1st grade from the bench after playing 2nd grade all of 2009, but he was closer to 18 than 19 when he started the 2009 season. PAE is just 18 years and 6 months now so you wouldn't have expected him to start in 1st grade.
As Brumbies guy said: you are not going to get many props starting in 1st grade in the year after leaving school so therefore they are not going to satisfy a requirement to have a full season of 1st grade under their belt when they are picked for an U/20 team in their 2nd year.
Salesi missed selection in the 2009 U/20s squad when the 3 props chosen were more than a year older than he was; so I guess the real question is: why aren't the lads who were a full year older than PAE and Sio in the 2010 squad? Why weren't Salesi's 2008 Oz Schools prop contemporaries: Rutledge, Brass, Feao, Matt Mafi and Josh Daley picked instead of the 2 younger blokes?
One can only assume that the selectors took the age difference into account and picked PAE and Sio anyway. They are very bloody good.
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Vay Wilson (31)
Talalelei Gray, is he injured because he hasn't been listed as a Beastie in Sydney this year. Nor does he appear in the John Dent Cup lists.
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John Solomon (38)
Yes he's still injured.. probaly still a month away
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the future
the future
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John Eales (66)
That's what I thought when I saw him almost a year ago for the first time; but talk is cheap. Let's see how he goes in the U20 comp and in senior rugby also after that when he's starting games in 1st grade for his club. Let's not give him the Beale curse which, to his credit, young Kurtley seems to be overcoming.
Sorry if that sounds a bit pompous.
Sorry if that sounds a bit pompous.
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I think if anyone is going to inherit the KB (Kurtley Beale) hype it is Gill. However I don't think it will be a curse in his case.
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