IRB U/20 Tournament and Oz Squad

[Godfrey]

The Reds have sent players. This all sounds a bit like sour grapes.

 

[barbarian]

Come off it Slim. Shipperley and Gill are much needed players in a side that is currently top of the Super table and facing a finals tilt. Yes Fainga'a and Hooper are also valuable, but the Brumbies are cellar-dwellers and have nothing to play for despite your protestations to the contrary.

It is in the Brumbies interest to send Fainga'a and Hooper away. It gives them valuable experience in a national setup as well as leadership training. They would get far more out of this as a player than staying around for the last nails to be hammered into the Brumbies coffin for 2011. Conversely Shipperley and Gill would probably get more out of a Super Rugby finals series.

 

[fatprop]

Isn't Gill going?

It always become difficult with this stuff, I think the ARU's decision would have been different if Hynes & Rod Davies were available

 

[Brumbies Guy]

The Reds have sent players. This all sounds a bit like sour grapes.

Yep, if it was the other way around and the Brumbies were in finals contention, I guarantee Slim would be calling for exception for Fainga'a and Hooper to stay behind. It's not as if the Reds are opposing the JWC either, they are still sending over Gill, Quirk, and some handy academy players.

 

[tigerland12]

Wasn't Michael Stolberg named in this team initially?

And it is understandable Shipperley was kept by the Reds, without Hynes and Davies long term, compounded by the fact Lucas is unlikely for this weekend.

 

[Godfrey]

Isn't Gill going?

It always become difficult with this stuff, I think the ARU's decision would have been different if Hynes & Rod Davies were available

True, but they wouldn't have had to make a decision in that case because the Reds would have been unlikely to try so hard to keep him with Morahan, Digby, Hynes, Toua, lucas and Davies as outside back options.

 

[Slim 293]

Yep, if it was the other way around and the Brumbies were in finals contention, I guarantee Slim would be calling for exception for Fainga'a and Hooper to stay behind. It's not as if the Reds are opposing the JWC either, they are still sending over Gill, Quirk, and some handy academy players.

I would like them to stay now as the Brumbies NEED them, but they've done the right thing in releasing them for the tournament... the Brumbies had the right to hold onto them and even considered the option...

I feel the Reds are being very poor sports about this...

 

[Godfrey]

I would like them to stay now as the Brumbies NEED them, but they've done the right thing in releasing them for the tournament... the Brumbies had the right to hold onto them and even considered the option...

I feel the Reds are being very poor sports about this...

Being a poor sport would be trying to hang onto all of their players and not letting anyone go. Instead, they made a compromise with the ARU and Nuciforia that was agreed with by all parties - with all parties noting the reasons. Let it go.

 

[tranquility]

Slim, I generally really agree with your posts. But to put it bluntly you are being ridiculous, I would actually prefer to see Dom at the world cup, but to juxtapose the Brumbies and Reds situation is ridiculous. Liam Gill is the player in my opinion more critical our campaign however he will be going to Italy, as will Quirk, Morahan, Butler, Enever, Lucas and Faulkner. Many of these players have not played this season, however they are still critical to the depth of our squad leading into the finals. If the Brumbies were to pull back Hooper and Colby from the World Cup with the intent that these last games of an awful season with no coach are more important to their development than playing with their contemporaries in a national setup, well that would be a very rich piece of cake to swallow.

 

[Slim 293]

Finals aspirations are irrelevant... No team should receive favoritism due to their ladder position...

The Brumbies need those two players more than the Reds need Shipperley...

The Brumbies have some big games to round out the season and try and finish respectfully...

It obviously sucks for us that we have to release them but that something that's been on the cards for a while and you can't restrict these guys from represent ing their country...

The Tahs haven't held onto Kingston, and they're trying to play for a finals berth...

The argument that the Brumbies winning is less important than the Reda is pure arrogance...

The concept that the successful team needs a leg up is ludicrous...

 

[DPK]

What do we think would be better for player's development? A JWC or time in a Super team? We shouldn't generalise, but I think going to the JWC would be better for a young player's development.

 

[barbarian]

The argument that the Brumbies winning is less important than the Reda is pure arrogance

If the Brumbies win their last four games will it result in a home final with massive crowds, huge interest levels and millions of dollars flowing to the ARU? No? Well they are less important than the Reds.

It isn't arrogant. It is the truth. The Brumbies winning is less important than the Reds IN THESE LAST FOUR ROUNDS.

A Super Rugby title would be huge for Australian rugby, and the ARU should do all it can to make it possible.

 

[Slim 293]

I see it as Shipperley being more important to the U20's success than the Reds' success...

Having more players who have Super rugby experience, or who are good enough to play at that level in the team boosts their chances...

 

[Slim 293]

If the Brumbies win their last four games will it result in a home final with massive crowds, huge interest levels and millions of dollars flowing to the ARU? No? Well they are less important than the Reds.

It isn't arrogant. It is the truth. The Brumbies winning is less important than the Reds IN THESE LAST FOUR ROUNDS.

A Super Rugby title would be huge for Australian rugby, and the ARU should do all it can to make it possible.

It'll be important for the Brumbies' players and their fans, plus it'll raise them off the bottom of the ladder...

I couldn't give two fucks about the Reds' success... I see why the ARU have allowed it but I don't think it's right...

 

[TOCC]

Slim, your acting a little bit like a brat at the moment...

Lets look at it this way, if in 5 years you ask a player what was the most important game of there career... What are they going to say, the JWC GF or the Super Rugby GF??

For all we know, Nucifora asked Shipperly what he would prefer to do, obviously the chance to play in front of 50'000 people at Suncorp Stadium appeals to him..

 

[Slim 293]

If the Reds make the final...

 

[RugbyReg]

If the Reds make the final...

or he plays this weekend....

 

[barbarian]

It'll be important for the Brumbies' players and their fans, plus it'll raise them off the bottom of the ladder...

I couldn't give two fucks about the Reds' success... I see why the ARU have allowed it but I don't think it's right...

I agree that it is important for the Brumbies and their fans (all seven of them ) not to get the spoon. But it in the grand scheme of things it is less important than the Reds winning these last games and going through to the finals and hopefully winning (or losing to the Tahs in the GF).

 

[Slim 293]

I'm obviously in a very small minority here so I'll leave it at that... but I just find it a bit rich that out of all the teams giving up players it is the Reds who kick up a stink...

 

[Godfrey]

It's just that your argument seems to be only based on parochialism. Just because you "couldn't give two fucks" about the Reds success doesn't mean the ARU, Nuciforia, the Reds and Shipperley (i.e. the parties involved in the decision) don't.