If Robbie goes who should replace him as Wallabies coach?

[Braveheart81]

I think that regardless of who is coaching, the style of games or what the results are, people will progressively go through the following stages in terms of late night games.

1) Stay up and watch the game, possibly at a pub but probably with friends and plenty of alcohol.

2) Set the alarm and wake up to watch the game by yourself.

3) Record the match and watch it the next day.

I think much of it is the combination of getting older and having more responsibilities/different priorities. I'm not trying to argue that the current state of affairs isn't making it more difficult to motivate yourself to watch these games live but I think there is a bit of reivisionism is terms of remembering how exciting these games have been previously or how good our results have been.

Besides a few notable highlights (i.e. France 2010), our spring tours haven't been filled with expansive, try scoring rugby and impressive wins.

 

[gel]

A good comparison would be:

If you support a super rugby (team that is NOT the tahs), do you stay up late to watch them play in South Africa vs staying up late to watch the wallabies?

If you (don't support the tahs and) are staying up for the super rugby team but NOT the wallabies, then the way the wallabies are playing is having an affect on your decision making processes.

I personally stay up for both.

 

[daz]

Until a few weeks ago, I had been pretty keen to see White get the gig.

Reflecting recently, I think part of the problem is that there is a bit of noise around Deans simply as a Kiwi. You know; he is a double agent, eroding from within. A stinking Kiwi who doesn't "get" Oz rugby.

The more frustrated we as supporters get, the louder that type of noise becomes. It is complete bullshit by the way, but regardless, it is a hurdle that is becoming bigger by the day.

I really think we need an Aussie as the next Wallabies coach, even if *gasp* there is a more experienced and qualified foreign coach available.

This is simply because we need to settle the dust and the noise and give ourselves an opportunity to look at the Wallabies coaching setup with clearer vision.

Think about this; if White was the next coach, and he dropped a game or two he shouldn't, how long before the "fucking Saffa" shit starts to fly?

Sadly, this is an indictment of the Oz rugby public maturity (or lack of) but the fact remains we have tied our knickers up in a bunch so tight we have restricted blood to the brain and cannot think straight. We have lost the ability to be rational. Not us good folk at GAGR of course; we are beacons of rational thought and classy debate. But in other places, dark secret places we don't want to admit exist, we know that some fucktard at PR or on the foxsports comments page is saying something about Robbie's nationality and the traitorous urge he has to overthrow the ARU at all levels, which he cannot resist.

It just has to be Link or Foley, or one of the other Oz expats plying the coaching trade overseas. It would settle things down and stop this nonsensical debate about foreign coaches for a while, which has strangled our rational-selves.

At least then we could get back to the real debate about the Wallaby coaching allegiance, involving those self-important QLD fucktards and smug, self-entitled NSW wankers.

Even better, it might unite us in really bagging the living hell out of the common enemy. No, not the AFL or the NRL; the ARU HQ!

 

[Braveheart81]

I stay up for both as well and I'm a Tahs fan.

Super Rugby is a pretty different game to test rugby. Even in times when both your super rugby franchise and the Wallabies are performing well, the style is very different.

Super Rugby tends to be more entertaining and attacking than test rugby yet test rugby will invariably be more intense, physical and is played with more passion (even if that passion turns out to be error-riddled). There is a completely different atmosphere at test rugby.

 

[No4918]

Yes, we are playing worse footy than the Boks. The kicker for me is that the individuals we have possess the skills to play a much better style of rugby but aren't. They are either incapable of it mentally or it's being coached out of them.

I think the Boks is more a mental thing where they just aren't used to throwing the ball around and attacking as the first option. The part i have bolded is the alarming part for Australia. They players are more than capable of attack but just aren't being given the game plan for it. It's the only conclusion i can come to as to why Deans would completely change the way the centres played after looking so good against England.

 

[gel]

I stay up for both as well and I'm a Tahs fan.

Super Rugby is a pretty different game to test rugby. Even in times when both your super rugby franchise and the Wallabies are performing well, the style is very different.

Super Rugby tends to be more entertaining and attacking than test rugby yet test rugby will invariably be more intense, physical and is played with more passion (even if that passion turns out to be error-riddled). There is a completely different atmosphere at test rugby.

Yeah, I was sort of getting at that if you are a tahs fan, you are probably used to being served up utter dross and therefore the way the wallabies are playing currently probably appears to be brilliant. (similar to how a reds fan has been feeling for the better part of the last decade ) It was a sly dig, sorry (peace!).

The emotional attachment for the wallabies should be higher, the intensity of the matches being higher should also induce a higher level of excitement meaning that the viewer is more easily entertained. If the terrible sort of play is outweighing these factors, then there is a problem. If not, then there is no problem.

I am not advocating that someone does or does not tune out (as I said I stay up and watch both) - just saying the measurement you listed is probably not considering all factors.

 

[Jets]

That's the thing gel I'll get up to watch the Reds play, even after the Sharks game this year, but won't for the Wallabies. I had my alarm set for the England game and when it went off I just turned it off and went back to bed.

 

[daz]

I had my alarm set for the England game and when it went off I just turned it off and went back to bed.

Pity. That was the only Wallaby game of 2012 worth watching!

 

[Jets]

I watched it when I woke in the morning. I didn't even see the Italy game, partly down to having other things on but I'm sure if they were playing better I would have made it happen.

 

[BDA]

Pity. That was the only Wallaby game of 2012 worth watching!

I have to agree the England game was very enjoyable to watch.

 

[Scoey]

Nailed it gel and Jets I stay/wake up and watch the Reds games but no longer the Wallabies. I want to stay up and watch the Wallabies but I just can get motivated to. I know in the future, I will again but just at the moment, I find I just sit there stewing.

It's not the "entertainment" factor of Super Rugby over Test footy. Possibly the most entertaining game I've watched all year was the 18-18 Bledisloe game. I want to see the Wallabies playing positively. I want to see them play like a bunch of blokes that look like they've been introduced to each other even. There's just something very very amiss right now. I don't know what it is, but I just know I don't like watching it.

 

[Train Without a Station]

But seriously, beyond Cheika, Link and White, who are the potentially qualified possibilities? Would Clive Woodward or Ted Henry be likely to accept the position? Otherwise what possibly candidates are there coaching outside of Australia?

 

[Bullrush]

I don't think Henry would ever be able to coach the Wallabies.....you guys would start burning your gold jerseys wouldn't ya?! LOL

 

[TOCC]

Its not even fathomable for a foreign coach to be picked ahead of McKenzie... I would argue that the current pecking order for coaches should stand as:

1. Link
2. White
3. Cheika(pending a decent season for NSW)

That list could change depending on the subsequent teams performances in 2013, but If none of those coaches were available then you could look elsewhere, but i believe that coaches should be promoted from within Australian.

 

[fatprop]

I think this thread should be put on hold until near October next year, til then Deans is da man!

and a lot can change before then .. .. .

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I don't think Henry would ever be able to coach the Wallabies...you guys would start burning your gold jerseys wouldn't ya?! LOL

He would never take the job and I'll be buggered if I'd accept him in it.

 

[wamberal]

Without debating when it will happen, I believe that it is absolutely imperative that the next Wallabies coach is an Australian. I would rule White out, even though I think he seems to be a great coach.

I was overjoyed when Deans took the job, don't get me wrong, but I believe that the Wallabies brand needs an infusion of Australiana, for marketing and other intangible reasons.

 

[Train Without a Station]

I don't think Henry would ever be able to coach the Wallabies...you guys would start burning your gold jerseys wouldn't ya?! LOL

My point was more so that there are no better candidates than the 3 we know.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Without debating when it will happen, I believe that it is absolutely imperative that the next Wallabies coach is an Australian. I would rule White out, even though I think he seems to be a great coach.

I was overjoyed when Deans took the job, don't get me wrong, but I believe that the Wallabies brand needs an infusion of Australiana, for marketing and other intangible reasons.

Yep, Aussie coach next. I'm ordinarily not bothered about where a new chief executive etc comes from, as long as the best person is selected. In the case of our national rugby coach, however, I believe that an understanding of our rugby culture is important. The style of footy we are playing now bears little resemblance to my own conception of how the Wallabies usually play.

Now I could be completely wrong about the type of footy our national side "should" be playing, but can anyone point to the last couple of seasons and show me prior examples of successful Wallaby squads that play the same way? At what stage in the past were we so one-dimensional in attack while still winning over 50% of our games? We are utterly shit to watch at the moment and seem to win based on the basis of courage and occasional bursts of individual brilliance alone.

 

[Bardon]

The considered opinion up north is that although Jake White would be the stand out candidate for the Scotland job but he'll hang on in Aus for a crack at the Wallabies job once Deans goes.

If Deans goes next year I hope it's not Chieka purely from the point of view I'd like to see him at the Tahs for more than one season as it's going to take a number of years to get real change there.

McKenzie seems to be the obvious choice but whoever it ends up being I hope that there is a through search process rather than a nod and a wink to the preferred candidate that it would be in their interests to apply.