How does this help Australian Rugby.

[disco]

Daruda & James were just starting to show form before they left.

The Force should have stuck with them instead of going for the big money move on Giteau. The Force had a good roster if they had just stuck with it they would probably be at the top of Australian Rugby.

 

[Braveheart81]

Well it seems I've upset the Rebels & Force fans with my comments but I really hope the Brumbies finish higher on the ladder to prove my point that with game time & good coaching these young Aussies are good enough to compete at Super Rugby level.

I think the only thing that is upsetting people is the constant bashing of their heads against a brick wall.

Your posts are incredibly contradictory. Apparently the Force and the Rebels aren't giving opportunities to young players, yet for every young player they have turned into a star, you say that they would have been a star anyway.

You ignore the fact that these players got an opportunity way earlier than they might have at another franchise and you ignore the fact that good teams are generally a mix of youth and experience.

You continually harp on about the Queensland Reds 2010 team being full of youngsters. Yet you pretty much ignore a few key experienced players they had. You also ignore the fact that any franchise would be happy to have a group of core young players that included Genia, Cooper, Horwill and Ioane.

 

[Waylon]

Jenkins went to the Tahs because the Force have 20 other backrowers & no 5/8's.

JOC (James O'Connor) was considered to small by the Parramatta Eels not by other Super Rugby Clubs.

Well it seems I've upset the Rebels & Force fans with my comments but I really hope the Brumbies finish higher on the ladder to prove my point that with game time & good coaching these young Aussies are good enough to compete at Super Rugby level.

Jenkins still got an opportunity and exposure to elite training and rugby professionalism and now has a starting position at the Tahs...........ie developed

JOC (James O'Connor) got s atsrt at the Force and was playing super rugby years before he would have got an opportunity at another franchise...........ie developed

I hope the Brumbies do well also but if there was only Reds, tahs and Brumbies, a lot of our talented youth would not have an opportunity

In the 2003 RWC final we had to bring a prop from grade rugby in Sydney with a sniff of state experience to start in a world cup final against the best pack in the world at the time. Now Australia has an extra 6-8 props with professional rugby exposure that can be called on for national duty. How is that not good for Australian rugby?

The last time th Lions toured in 2001, they played against WA Gold and NT and NSW country . A joke for them really. The next tour they will play Force and Rebels as well as the Tahs, Reds and Brumbies........5 professional matches against quality opposition. This is an example of "development"

The game has advanced significantly in Australia thanks to the inception of the Force and the Rebels and over the coming decades as the Unions develop in WA and Victoria, the game in Australia will get stronger and stronger.

Thankfully the ARU has more vision than you do

 

[Waylon]

Daruda & James were just starting to show form before they left.

The Force should have stuck with them instead of going for the big money move on Giteau. The Force had a good roster if they had just stuck with it they would probably be at the top of Australian Rugby.

Giteau was purchased to give rugby an image upgrade in an AFL heartland. It was a marketing exercise that Daruda couldn't pull off

As much as I don't rate Giteau, his move to WA generated interest in the game and the Force and contributed to some fine wins.

 

[Waylon]

Just so you know from the starting side TPN, Kepu, Douglas, Dennis, Palu, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Horne and Foley? didn't go to a private school

There is a strong obsession with schoolboy rugby and GPS rugby however to the detriment of the state union

 

[disco]

The game has advanced significantly in Australia thanks to the inception of the Force and the Rebels and over the coming decades as the Unions develop in WA and Victoria, the game in Australia will get stronger and stronger.

Thankfully the ARU has more vision than you do​

I'm happy the ARU expanded I'm just not happy with the recruit & development at the Force & Rebels. It's the Western Force that has no vision they chased instant success without any thought for the future.​

Your posts are incredibly contradictory. Apparently the Force and the Rebels aren't giving opportunities to young players, yet for every young player they have turned into a star, you say that they would have been a star anyway.

I only said that David Pocock would be a star no matter where he landed. I agreed on JOC (James O'Connor) at the Force just not the comment that no other club wanted him. I agreed the Rebels had unearthed Pyle & Phipps.


You ignore the fact that these players got an opportunity way earlier than they might have at another franchise and you ignore the fact that good teams are generally a mix of youth and experience.

No haven't I want more youngsters playing, my beef is that there should be more young Aussies playing instead of old foreigners.

You continually harp on about the Queensland Reds 2010 team being full of youngsters. Yet you pretty much ignore a few key experienced players they had. You also ignore the fact that any franchise would be happy to have a group of core young players that included Genia, Cooper, Horwill and Ioane.

Well the 2010 Reds were tipped for the spoon & those young players you mention had all played 2 or 3 seasons of super rugby & no other clubs had tried to sign them.

 

[Slim 293]

So the Reds shouldn't have given lifelines to Samo and Wallace-Harrison for the greater good of developing the youth?

 

[liquor box]

I wonder if qualififcation for a national team could be based on playing time in the given country, maybe you should be registered with that union (club player or even as a junior) for 5 years before you can be considered for a rep spot.
THis shows some dedication to the cause and limits a players ability to find a useful relative

 

[disco]

So the Reds shouldn't have given lifelines to Samo and Wallace-Harrison for the greater good of developing the youth?

They're Aussies so yes they should be given a spot in the squad.

 

[Slim 293]

You're all over the place...

Sure Freier is an Aussie but he's old & injury prone & I can't see him ever playing for the Australian Barbarians let alone the Wallabies.

Essentially you're against imports, and older players that won't make the Wallabies... unless they're in your team?

 

[Forcefield]

You're a Reds fan aren't you Disco? If you are, don't be a bloody hypocrite. Explain Mike Harris away.

The Force made some mistakes sure, but you are making it out to be a bigger issue than it is. Daruda stayed with the Force for four years- he didn't improve a lot in that time. We dropped the ball with Hilgendorf but he is back in Australian rugby with the Rebels so he isn't lost from the game. The only guy who is lost and long lost is Brock James. That was a genuine mistake but at the time he wasn't the right guy for the team.

Tom Hockings was also with the Force for a long time. Clearly he wasn't getting any better or else he wouldn't have been dropped. If he had improved, one of the other franchises would have picked him up.

You don't make all the right decisions all the time. Every team is guilty of it.

 

[Newter]

No I'm not read the original post. I'm using Hockings as a prime example.

Well why not bring back more Aussies.

I was sitting in the stands 5 years ago watching the Qld Reds getting flogged week in week out a lot of those young players are still running around today handing out the floggings.

Serious question for anyone that wants to answer. How many years would have Quade Cooper lasted at the Waratahs or Force judged purely on his 1st three seasons of super rugby?

What's the actual problem, disco? You look at the depth of Aus rugby now and it's better than it's probably ever been in its long history. The number of good young players to emerge over the last couple of seasons has been prolific. We not only have two strong Test players in nearly every position, we also have a couple of promising young Super players behind them to take over in the future. Just on an empirical basis the imports aren't holding back development whatsoever.

 

[disco]

You're all over the place...




Essentially you're against imports, and older players that won't make the Wallabies... unless they're in your team?

AWH isn't holding a starting spot while a younger player is warming the bench. Ged Robinson & Adam Freier give nothing to the national team which was the purpose of expanding. Whitakker has potential and therefore the ARU should step in & swap either Freier or Robinson like a draft system. That would help Australian Rugby.

At then end of the day it's all about making the national team better.

 

[disco]

What's the actual problem, disco?

Good young Aussies warming the bench or missing out altogether when we have foreign imports getting game time.

The ARU needs to fix it because what we have now doesn't work.

 

[disco]

You're a Reds fan aren't you Disco? If you are, don't be a bloody hypocrite. Explain Mike Harris away.

Yes I am & I'm not a huge fan of Mike Harris either. Although the difference with Mike Harris is he's actually pretty good he is eligible for the Wallabies & would probably warm the bench at the Reds when we have a fully fit roster.

So he's not an old foreign player keeping out a young aussie. Explained.

 

[James Buchanan]

Eh. Just the usual ADHD supporter mentality. "Play the kids" is just the same as "Spin it Wide (at every opportunity)" and "Go for tries!". Everything has to happen NOW! and be dramatic. Good things take time.

 

[Forcefield]

Ged Robinson will be Wallaby eligible next year, won't he? He will also take over the starting spot at the Rebels when he is fit. There really is no need for a swap. Embrace the multiculturalism of the Wallabies. Of the 15 players who ran out against New Zealand in the RWC Semi, only half were born in Australia.

 

[qwerty51]

I don't think he is eligible ever, he is Junior AB capped.

 

[James Buchanan]

I don't think he is eligible ever, he is Junior AB capped.

Yeah he's locked.

But how far we have come from "there's not enough depth in Australian rugby to support 5 teams" to "they took our jerbs!".

 

[disco]

Ged Robinson will be Wallaby eligible next year, won't he? He will also take over the starting spot at the Rebels when he is fit. There really is no need for a swap. Embrace the multiculturalism of the Wallabies. Of the 15 players who ran out against New Zealand in the RWC Semi, only half were born in Australia.

I don't care where they are born If they're good enough & want to play for the Wallabies. Just don't waste time & money on dud foreigners who can't or will never be good enough to make the Wallabies.