Dwyer speaks truth

[louie]

They can cheat because our soft c*ck forwards don't clean out, stay on their feet and drive past the ball.

here here. i wish someone would teel our forwards to get the fuck off of the backline and into the rucks. Our backline is quick, our forwards are not. cleanout and get us the ball!

 

[RugbyReg]

Eddie Jones picking AJ Gilbert as back up scrummie?

Alan Jones picking Brian Smith on the wing ahead of Peter Grigg? I can think of many worse than those two.

 

[fatprop]

Ryan McGoldrick. :lmao::lmao::lmao: The single worst coaching decision I have ever seen. Not far ahead of the second worst, another Randwick legend, the Link, picking Randwick flyer Morgan Twomorepies to mark Brian Habana.


Go the Wicks.

Funny how many people have selective memories that only remember the errors and not the successes.

 

[fatprop]

here here. i wish someone would teel our forwards to get the fuck off of the backline and into the rucks. Our backline is quick, our forwards are not. cleanout and get us the ball!

only if they stay on their feet, so they are available for the next breakdown

 

[DPK]

Robbie Deans selecting Sheppard over Pat McCabe? :fishing

 

[Scarfman]

MORE BOB

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10663586

Dwyer fires salvoes at All Blacks, Deans

Former Wallabies coach Bob Dwyer believes the All Blacks are getting away with murder at the breakdown.

Dwyer says the All Blacks are making an art of cheating, by putting players in offside position with or without possession.

He says he doesn't expect the referees to take any action as long as Kiwi Paddy O'Brien's in charge of the IRB whistle blowers.

He says the All Blacks have come up with some strategies that the referees are struggling to deal with but he doesn't expect O'Brien to make any decisions.

Dwyer also believes it's not too late for the Wallabies to replace embattled coach Robbie Deans for the World Cup. He says something's going badly wrong, and you can't sack an entire squad of players.

Excellent analysis Bob. What you really need is a video pointing out when and where the ABs did this.

 

[MrTimms]

MORE BOB

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10663586

Excellent analysis Bob. What you really need is a video pointing out when and where the ABs did this.

Somebody has to say it. It should the the ARU, but they would be written off for whining. Deans and the team can't say it, look what happened to PdV (though he took the wrong tactic of saying it was a conspiracy to let the ABs win before their home WC). Bob is in a position where people listen to him, but he can't be fined for saying it.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

I've gotta give it to Dwyer for consistency.

I know it's been a while between drinks, but I'm almost looking forward to the next time the Wobs get up and beat us (!) to see how much focus is on the AB's illegal tactics on this site & vice versa on TSF!

 

[Scotty]

I think there are actually less illegal tactics not getting picked up than there used to be a few years ago. I seem to remember the ABs scoring a few tries each year where there was guys cleaning out rucks at least 3-5 m past the ruck, which allowed the runs to come in behind and score tries. This doesn't seem to happen as much anymore.

 

[ACT Crusader]

I think there are actually less illegal tactics not getting picked up than there used to be a few years ago. I seem to remember the ABs scoring a few tries each year where there was guys cleaning out rucks at least 3-5 m past the ruck, which allowed the runs to come in behind and score tries. This doesn't seem to happen as much anymore.

It's called adapting Scotty. Rodney So'oialo got pinged for one in a test match and I don't recall us getting away with there on in.

George Smith got away with murder for many a year for coming in from the side. It seemed the ref interpretated the gate as wide as the Red Sea for Georgie. Never shouted so loud at the TV , but I would never be inclined to say George was a cheat despite him thinking he could contest for the ball at any angle without being the tackler. But hey it's swings and roundabouts

 

[JJJ]

Excellent analysis Bob. What you really need is a video pointing out when and where the ABs did this.

I notice your video has been doing the rounds of the rugby forums. First the BBC ones (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A72549444) and now rugby365 have included it in one of their articles (http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/trinat/news/2567240.htm). It's hit the keo boards too, for what that's worth. It's basically gone viral in rugby-tragic circles. So the message is getting out there, not that I think it'll make a difference with Paddy in charge.

ETA: a lot of comments on the YouTube page for that vid too. Spoiler: kiwis don't think there's anything wrong with what the ABs are doing

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

ETA: a lot of comments on the YouTube page for that vid too. Spoiler: kiwis don't think there's anything wrong with what the ABs are doing

What are we supposed to do? Change allegiance? Start actively promoting the IRB does something to ensure we are reffed far more harshly? Slam Graham Henry & all in sundry on the back of a video that is one sided & almost qualifies as propoganda?

Please - I'm all ears JJJ, let me know EXACTLY what you want me to say. And then, answer this question in all earnestly/honestly. If Australia were winning matches playing exactly the same way, what would YOU then be doing about it? I can only assume one of the options in the first paragraph, right?

Just because no kiwi can be bothered sitting down, analysing a match of all the refereeing things not picked up by the opposite teams, compling it together, then sending it out globally and actively promoting it as some sort of brilliant analysis, it doesn't mean the opposition are doing absolutely nothing wrong.

You want my opinion on teh above? YOUR DAMN FUCKING RIGHT, I don't thnk there's anything wrong with the AB's are doing. Top level rugby has ALWAYS been about playing to the referee & his intreprations. You get away with what you can & you push the boundaries.

Try telling me, local G&GR hero George Smith didn't play that way with a straight face and meaning it.

 

[JJJ]

What are we supposed to do? Change allegiance? Start actively promoting the IRB does something to ensure we are reffed far more harshly? Slam Graham Henry & all in sundry on the back of a video that is one sided & almost qualifies as propoganda?

Please - I'm all ears JJJ, let me know EXACTLY what you want me to say. And then, answer this question in all earnestly/honestly. If Australia were winning matches playing exactly the same way, what would YOU then be doing about it? I can only assume one of the options in the first paragraph, right?

Just because no kiwi can be bothered sitting down, analysing a match of all the refereeing things not picked up by the opposite teams, compling it together, then sending it out globally and actively promoting it as some sort of brilliant analysis, it doesn't mean the opposition are doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I think the traditional route is to smirk a lot, say very little (unless the status quo is threatened), and enjoy the sight of opposition teams routinely grabbing their ankles and receiving an official shafting. Be Graham Henry in other words.

By the way I notice the word "propaganda" is coming up a lot in relation to that video. Perhaps Scarfman could find a way to tastefully incorporate that into his short bio?

 

[Gnostic]

What are we supposed to do? Change allegiance? Start actively promoting the IRB does something to ensure we are reffed far more harshly? Slam Graham Henry & all in sundry on the back of a video that is one sided & almost qualifies as propoganda?

Please - I'm all ears JJJ, let me know EXACTLY what you want me to say. And then, answer this question in all earnestly/honestly. If Australia were winning matches playing exactly the same way, what would YOU then be doing about it? I can only assume one of the options in the first paragraph, right?

Just because no kiwi can be bothered sitting down, analysing a match of all the refereeing things not picked up by the opposite teams, compling it together, then sending it out globally and actively promoting it as some sort of brilliant analysis, it doesn't mean the opposition are doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Would it be wrong to expect some honesty (and maybe some thoughtful honest analysis to the contrary) instead of the precious wailing and bleating saying it just part of PdV's conspiracy theory and blaming all and sundry for being cry babies.

In looking at other boards and forums where Scarfy's vid has been posted all the Kiwis do is bleat "stop whining we are just better than you" etc etc. No analysis just a belittling approach to what were some good examples of what people like Dwyer (and myself) have been saying about the Crusaders and ABs for a few years now. It is even more bemusing to see that this is a personal attack on Mcaw when the most consistant offenders have been Kaino, Reid, Woodcock and Franks. It is a trained intentional methodology to gain unfair advantage at the Ruck.

I will point out at this stage the reason why the Macqueen tactic of endless phases worked so well was because the refs at the time failed totally to police arriving players at the ruck maintaining their feet. Virtually every player bridged or went to ground over the ball to prevent contest. This was just as negative and for some Oz players is still a problem (Brown).

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

Be fair Gnostic - I've interpreted this as attack on RMC only on the thread entitled "RMC - Cheat or Genius" !

Thoughtful analysis - I've commented plenty of times without getting hot under the collar, on many a thread. I don't deny anything, I've just pointed out instances where the ref's have penalised NZ harshly at some sort of attempt to quell the "Ref's favour NZ" theme which runs across the board. I've taken Dwyers opinion on the AB's with a pinch of salt for years, as he's always found something to whinge about regardless of the situation (doesn't mean I don't respect him as one hell of a coach though).

HAve only decided to get uppity now as I thought JJJ's comment was rather leading & undoubtedly hypocritical should the shoe be on the other foot.

 

[JJJ]

HAve only decided to get uppity now as I thought JJJ's comment was rather leading & undoubtedly hypocritical should the shoe be on the other foot.

Well hypothetically speaking should the shoe ever be on the other foot I'm sure I'd find an appropriate way to deal with it. And we are speaking hypothetically.

 

[nathan]

I think there are actually less illegal tactics not getting picked up than there used to be a few years ago. I seem to remember the ABs scoring a few tries each year where there was guys cleaning out rucks at least 3-5 m past the ruck, which allowed the runs to come in behind and score tries. This doesn't seem to happen as much anymore.

Nonu's try against SA in the second test?

 

[cyclopath]

MR - I agree with you in that the point of any vitriol should be the refs ( actually just Paddy O'Brien, 'cos he's a massive dickhead! ), but there is a difference between saying "Well, maybe the ABs are doing something naughty, but until someone grows a pair and pings them, then they should merrily continue" and saying there's nothing wrong with it, and it's all sour grapes, and you guys cheat too. Not that I'm putting words in your mouth. Personally I'm sick and tired of the endless Richie is a cheat stuff too - tell us something we don't know, seven's are the Cristopher Skases of the rugby world...It surprises me a bit that Robbie has let go of the Canterbury tactic (they perfected it) of these lollygagging pillars who just get in the way and are spoilers at the breakdown. The Cartel have refined it and moved a step on - good luck to them. But it's still not legal.
Gnostic's point about Brumbie-ball is a good example.

 

[chief]

From 3News

The International Rugby Board’s New Zealand head of refereeing Paddy O'Brien is considering legal action and wants a public apology from former Wallaby coach Bob Dwyer after Dwyer accused O'Brien of bias toward the All Blacks.

Dwyer says O'Brien only raises concerns with the performance of his match officials if it favours New Zealand like he did after the All Blacks scrum was hammered by Italy in Milan last year.

For the record the All Blacks have been penalised 34 times in their three Tri-Nations tests, South Africa 24 times and Australia 18 times in their two tests.

 

[Thomond78]

Hmmmm.

Right, what are the respective ratios of YCs to penalties in the 3N this year? On-field only, btw, to take out the ones picked up after. That should give us a good indication, because if it's seriously off-beam, then we may genuinely be onto something.

Incidentally, O'Braindead is resident (SFAIK) and working (definitely) in Ireland. The Irish Courts would be the one he'd have to sue in. And if he does, I'll go on record right here and now that I will happily act for Bob Dwyer for free - and by Christ, will the discovery we'll get over the Stu Dickinson affair, amongst others, be fun.