Dwyer speaks truth

[MajorlyRagerly]

I don't like Paddy much & not a fan of his approach at all, but he does have a right to stick up for himself when media present articles suggesting he has bias towards teams (given his role is to be 100% completely impartial).

 

[disco]

For the record the All Blacks have been penalised 34 times in their three Tri-Nations tests, South Africa 24 times and Australia 18 times in their two tests.

How many yellow cards have the Kiwis had? How many of those 34 penalties were commited when defending inside the 22? If anything it proves that the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

Yeah the Kiwis got a dud yellow card but the officials quickly made sure the Aussies got a dud straight after.

 

[Thomond78]

I don't like Paddy much & not a fan of his approach at all, but he does have a right to stick up for himself when media present articles suggesting he has bias towards teams (given his role is to be 100% completely impartial).

MR, I would agree with you, were it not for the fact that the reason most of them think he isn't is his own previous conduct.

You know a ref has had a good game when no-one remembers him afterwards. No-one can remember who O'Braindead's predecessor was. That's an indication of just how badly Paddy's doing his job by comparison.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

Clearly you've forgotten Barnes gate then T78.

 

[disco]

I have to agree with Bob Dwyer on all of his comments.

I like how all the Kiwis (Batty & Loe) have come out & defended Deans now he's coping shit in Australia, I bet they're all loving it over there. Of course they love Deans he has the worst winning percentage of any Wallaby coach in the Pro era.

 

[chief]

Clearly you've forgotten Barnes gate then T78.

Barnes missed a forward pass in a QF. It was a mistake. My view on things is McAlister who deserved to be binned He stuck up for Barnes which I applaud. Barnes is now one of the best IRB refs in the business. It was an error, one error. This is numerous errors we are talking about.

 

[Top Bloke]

I notice your video has been doing the rounds of the rugby forums. First the BBC ones (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A72549444) and now rugby365 have included it in one of their articles (http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/trinat/news/2567240.htm). It's hit the keo boards too, for what that's worth. It's basically gone viral in rugby-tragic circles. So the message is getting out there, not that I think it'll make a difference with Paddy in charge.

ETA: a lot of comments on the YouTube page for that vid too. Spoiler: kiwis don't think there's anything wrong with what the ABs are doing

It is pretty easy to watch any game and cherry pick the points you want to emphasize.
For instance at 1.33 into the vid McCaw fields a kick, while the commentator makes the point that 3 boks are ready to tackle McCaw and that the retreating ABs never get on side, he completely ignores that fact that the 3 boks were in front of the kicker and never made any effort to retreat before going forward.

 

[Top Bloke]

...... No-one can remember who O'Braindead's predecessor was. That's an indication of just how badly Paddy's doing his job by comparison.

No thats just an indicator that Paddy's predecessor never did anything other than swilling pink gins

 

[JJJ]

The whole Barnes affair was out of Paddy's hands. It was a World Cup QF, with the eyes of the rugby world (and a chunk of the non-rugby world) watching and almost all of them thinking it was a great match. Given the distinct lack of non-NZ outrage over the outcome and the ref he would've been mad to say anything which could discredit the main showcase of the sport. It would've cast a pall over the entire tournament. It would've gotten him sacked.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

Talking about pob saying kiwis need to grow up, not wb performance. Hardly the behavior of somebody with nz bias

And Jjj, the amount of non nz commentators saying we got the shaft surprised me.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I have to agree with Bob Dwyer on all of his comments.

I like how all the Kiwis (Batty & Loe) have come out & defended Deans now he's coping shit in Australia, I bet they're all loving it over there. Of course they love Deans he has the worst winning percentage of any Wallaby coach in the Pro era.

I'm pretty sure Loe is only defending Deans because he is a fellow Cantab. He does make some fair points about blooding the young blokes though.

 

[disco]

I'm pretty sure Loe is only defending Deans because he is a fellow Cantab. He does make some fair points about blooding the young blokes though.

I will give Deans credit when it comes to Quade I'm not sure many other coaches would have taken on such an enigma.

 

[Gnostic]

I don't like Paddy much & not a fan of his approach at all, but he does have a right to stick up for himself when media present articles suggesting he has bias towards teams (given his role is to be 100% completely impartial).

I said last year when the news broke of O'Briens personal visit to the ABs hotel that he had seriously compromised his position. The fact is people do not forget that he personally apologised to the ABs for what still remains arguable decisions. No person in his position did this for any team before and he hasn't since even though there were clangers in the 6N and the latest with Drew Mitchell.

I questioned all last year what systems he had in place to improve the consistancy and support for the refs and then I stated that he had made his position untenable with his visit. This is now coming home to roost and he has nobody to blame but himself. The biggest irony is that his previous profession (Police Officer) should have prepared him for this very eventuality as it is a requirement that Police guard themselves constantly against putting themselves in such a compromising position where their objectivity can be placed into question.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

Gnostic - I actually 100% agree with u there.

I just don't think that due to pob influence, the refs are giving nz special treatment.

 

[RedsHappy]

I have to agree with Bob Dwyer on all of his comments.I like how all the Kiwis (Batty & Loe) have come out & defended Deans now he's coping shit in Australia, I bet they're all loving it over there. Of course they love Deans he has the worst winning percentage of any Wallaby coach in the Pro era.

Whatever your views, in this context the thing I admire and like re Dwyer is that he's had the professional guts to come out and say what many of us have thought for some considerable time: there are severe (mental and skills) problems in this Wallabies team that show (as of now) no sign of improvement, and the coaching, whether RD or the Assistants, is wanting. So many ex-coaches kind of protect 'the coaches' fraternity' and come out with either faint praise for the Wallabies coaches, or PC variants that say nothing. It's often as if they appear as though they're hedging their bets in case the next match proves them wrong. Not Dwyer.

 

[fatprop]

Funny how his pasting of the Aus side has been gradually ignored and the focus has been on his comment on the AB's tactics.

 

[Scotty]

He shouldn't have written about both in the same article. The views on the AB tactics and refing undermined his comments on the wallabies.

 

[fatprop]

He had to get his 1000 words

 

[JJJ]

Jeez rugby365 are really running with Scarf's video. They've included it yet again in another article: http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/trinat/news/2570320.htm

There's also apparently an oblique reference to it on the planetrugby Aus vs NZ preview:

Those who would accuse the ABs of cheating might want to go back to their videos and note just how well they get to the breakdown and in how many numbers.

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_6296584,00.html

 

[Gagger]

I had a chat to Bob Dwyer about this - he stayed over at Chez Gagger in London last month.

He said he respects Robbie as a coach and as per the article never pointed the finger in Dingo's direction, but rather the assistants'.

He said that when he'd recently chatted to RD and JW, and outlined what he thought was basically going wrong with the Wallabies (lack of contest at the tackle by getting beyond the ball, and quick recycling) both Dingo and Jim agreed. They said "that's exactly what we're trying to get them to do". Bob's take was that they were either just trying to placate him (which he didn't think was the case) or there were clearly other issues in getting these core elements translated, leading Bob to think the assistant coaches weren't cutting it and/or something's happening, or not happening, from the players.