CAS Rugby 2023

[JackJill]

Your first point is simply not true. Every school is different, with different sizes, different geographic location, different cost and different deomographic... All of which DRASTICALLY affects a schools rugby ability. Let's move with the times. Realise that schools have different goals and abilities and adapt... Because old thinking is contributing to the suffering of rugby cultures in some schools and that's blatantly obvious.

The beauty of the tier system that we have discussed is that it is fluid. Shore would have been a tier 2 team (and still probably are), but with improvement could be moved into the top tier. Plus its MUCH easier to build rugby culture when you get to play teams of your standard... It's all well and good too say Aloys should improve their program... But if I'm an Aloys boy why would I want to play rugby where I concede 50 points to Barker, Knox and Waverley, and get physically manhandled by much more athletic boys week in a and week out... That argument majorly lacks nuance.

The first step would be combining with ISA. A healthier, balanced, intriguing competition where every game could go either way would contest with the AAGPS competition, possibly turning some opinions to a prospective future where all schools are ranked and have the opportunity to fluctuate between competitions depending on programs and results.

Of course, there will be hurdles, tradition, the 's' word, and other arguable topics, but in overview, it would be for the total benefit of Rugby Australia, popularising and growing the game even more.

 

[pocockenthusiast1973]

The first step would be combining with ISA. A healthier, balanced, intriguing competition where every game could go either way would contest with the AAGPS competition, possibly turning some opinions to a prospective future where all schools are ranked and have the opportunity to fluctuate between competitions depending on programs and results.

Of course, there will be hurdles, tradition, the 's' word, and other arguable topics, but in overview, it would be for the total benefit of Rugby Australia, popularising and growing the game even more.

Do it for the footy

 

[Snort]

My last word on the 10-round competition.... remember that when we had the home-and-away ten rounds, the team leading at the half way point never failed to win the competition. We had a couple of years where the last round decided whether the premiership was won outright or shared, but most years the winner was unbeatable by Round 7. There was never an occasion when two sides went into the last round equal on points with the prospect of the final round splitting the two. The idea that ten rounds is "close and exciting" is nice, but in practice it never really worked out that way.

 

[Snort]

My thoughts on the tiered structure are well known. But this thought also occurs to me: it could be accompanied by a revival of the Waratah Shield, played as a knockout by any school that cares to enter. The Waratah Shield would be seeded, to avoid mismatches in the early rounds, but it would allow a strong Tier 2 team to match itself against Tier 1 sides in a meaningful competitive environment.

 

[FoleyBealeFolau]

You couldn't be any more wrong Scrumhead99

Due to the sudden death competition of the CAS competition, who knows what may happen. For all we know Trinity could get some lucky wins and then be up there with Knox + Barker. I am starting to think your account is the pisstake here, not megarugbyman...

Bagging out other people in the forums is unnecessary, you sound like a troll!!!!

Waves are back in full force and will give Cranbrook a run for their money this weekend.

Pocockenthusiast1973 out!!

The winner of Cranbrook and Waverley gets a massive confidence boost going into next term with Cranbrook playing trinity next up after the show down at Death Valley. Waverley having a tough run coming up against Cranbrook then Barker there season could be over before it had even started. With Wav Col winning 38-24 and The Brook 26-14 against Auggies. the show down of the east should be one for the ages. I believe Cranbrook have not won at Queens park for 14 years so although this new found Cranbrook confidence on the forums, Waverley should still go into this game as favourites.

 

[workingdasnipe]

Bottom 3 teams Vs. Top 3 teams this week. Can anyone see any upsets on the cards? Big win for Knox IMO.

WDS

 

[Hercules Von Grimmelshaus]

Only beating Stannies by 20 points is a bit too be "worried" about. Also I wouldn't write Aloys off, you never know when a 2019 Aloys Vs Waverly upset could happen again. Does anyone know if they had players out for the stannies game?

They won by 6 tries to 1 and 30+ points so not a huge margin but still good. Missing a couple of players and travelling long distance in a day they were always going to be rusty. Can’t see Aloys getting within 40 points. Depends on how many subs are brought on in the 2nd half by Barker

 

[Eyes Up Footy]

I haven't seen a single person on the CAS forum say they would refuse to merge our competition with the ISA.

Hey RoD, personally I wouldn't refuse this either.

However, I think it just adds to the skill gap problems that have been mentioned previously. For instance, the bottom ISA teams would not and will never be able to compete with the likes of Knox and Barker. As we have seen in the trials, the only schools that could compete evenly in the CAS would be St Augustine's and Oakhill (even still, Knox put 50 on Oakhill a few weeks ago).

BUT, it does create fairer competition between the bottom schools which means the likes of Aloys, Kinross, and Pius wouldn't be running out to get smashed every week. I think Rugby AU needs to take this into serious consideration.

 

[rugbyGandG]

The winner of Cranbrook and Waverley gets a massive confidence boost going into next term with Cranbrook playing trinity next up after the show down at Death Valley. Waverley having a tough run coming up against Cranbrook then Barker there season could be over before it had even started. With Wav Col winning 38-24 and The Brook 26-14 against Auggies. the show down of the east should be one for the ages. I believe Cranbrook have not won at Queens park for 14 years so although this new found Cranbrook confidence on the forums, Waverley should still go into this game as favourites.

With this years heavily heated Cranbrook and Waves rivalry, Death Valley this weekend will be arguably the biggest game of the season.

We will see a massive crowd and some controversial chants from the schoolboys.

Cranbrook are currently 2-0 winning the AFL and the Basketball...

Very very very excited.

 

[RedOrDead]

Hey RoD, personally I wouldn't refuse this either.

However, I think it just adds to the skill gap problems that have been mentioned previously. For instance, the bottom ISA teams would not and will never be able to compete with the likes of Knox and Barker. As we have seen in the trials, the only schools that could compete evenly in the CAS would be St Augustine's and Oakhill (even still, Knox put 50 on Oakhill a few weeks ago).

BUT, it does create fairer competition between the bottom schools which means the likes of Aloys, Kinross, and Pius wouldn't be running out to get smashed every week. I think Rugby AU needs to take this into serious consideration.

Hey mate,

I think you're a little confused on what has been proposed. Happy to explain it to you though.

If we were to combine the two comps we would actually be creating a tier system that would go a little something like this (perhaps some slightly disagree but this is roughly the schools in each).

Tier 1
- Knox
- Waves
- Barker
- Oakhill
- Augs
- Pats

Tier 2(One of these schools would likely be dropped)
- Cranbrook
- Trinity
- Aloys
- Stannies
- Pius
- Gregs
- Kinross

Tier 3
- I believe the ISA already have a tier of pretty much non-rugby schools such as Redfield College. This would remain the same.

The goal would be for teams to compete within their tiers. So you don't get large mismatches, although there will still be age groups that are stronger/weaker than the rest, it would be far more even then it is now. This would be huge in helping some of the struggling schools build rugby culture. This would also likely be reviewed at the end of every year. Say for example, Cranbrook have a resurgence as they are arguably the strongest tier 2 school in the rough draft above. They would likely replace Pats or even Barker depending on how things go moving forward.

 

[FoleyBealeFolau]

Hey mate,

I think you're a little confused on what has been proposed. Happy to explain it to you though.

If we were to combine the two comps we would actually be creating a tier system that would go a little something like this (perhaps some slightly disagree but this is roughly the schools in each).

Tier 1
- Knox
- Waves
- Barker
- Oakhill
- Augs
- Pats

Tier 2(One of these schools would likely be dropped)
- Cranbrook
- Trinity
- Aloys
- Stannies
- Pius
- Gregs
- Kinross

Tier 3
- I believe the ISA already have a tier of pretty much non-rugby schools such as Redfield College. This would remain the same.

The goal would be for teams to compete within their tiers. So you don't get large mismatches, although there will still be age groups that are stronger/weaker than the rest, it would be far more even then it is now. This would be huge in helping some of the struggling schools build rugby culture. This would also likely be reviewed at the end of every year. Say for example, Cranbrook have a resurgence as they are arguably the strongest tier 2 school in the rough draft above. They would likely replace Pats or even Barker depending on how things go moving forward.

Confusing as to why Cranbrook is in a lower tear to Auggies and pats despite beating both of them.

 

[Footyalwayswins95]

Indeed. I am sensing some bias...

Please make an educated decisions based on recent results instead of Cranbrooks weak history.

Auggies, although decent for an ISA side, would lose to Barker, Knox and Waverley every year.

yes likely, due to the vast array of talent that these schools poach from Auggies extremely strong development. Some recent examples include the likes of barkers fullback Poynton and 10 Dene and Knox's 10 Jecks, just to mention a few over the past two years. Maybe if Augs could offer scholarships they could compete in retaining this talent.

 

[megarugbyman]

With this years heavily heated Cranbrook and Waves rivalry. Death Valley this weekend will be arguably the biggest game of the season.

We will see a massive crowd and some controversial chants from the schoolboys.

Cranbrook are currently 2-0 winning the AFL and the Basketball...

Very very very excited.

Biggest game of the season...?

Didn't know Knox and Barker weren't playing each other this season

 

[rugbyGandG]

Changing the conversation..

My slightly biased prediction:

Knox
Cranbrook
Barker (Upset against brook)
Waves
Trinity
Aloys

 

[gooseylover101]

I would also like to add some more to this discussion.

St Pats 1st XV was beaten by a Kings 3rd XV team. Regardless of a schools depth, losing to a team of all Year 11s does not make you eligible for a "top" tier.

You seem very active during the daytime Pocockenthusiast1973! Curious as to why this is.

 

[JohnnyOhns]

Changing the conversation..

My slightly biased prediction:

Knox
Cranbrook
Barker (Upset against brook)
Waves
Trinity
Aloys

The good thing about the CAS this year is any of the top 4 teams could win the comp. It just depends who turns up on the day.

 

[megarugbyman]

Hey mate,

I think you're a little confused on what has been proposed. Happy to explain it to you though.

If we were to combine the two comps we would actually be creating a tier system that would go a little something like this (perhaps some slightly disagree but this is roughly the schools in each).

Tier 1
- Knox
- Waves
- Barker
- Oakhill
- Augs
- Pats

Tier 2(One of these schools would likely be dropped)
- Cranbrook
- Trinity
- Aloys
- Stannies
- Pius
- Gregs
- Kinross

Tier 3
- I believe the ISA already have a tier of pretty much non-rugby schools such as Redfield College. This would remain the same.

The goal would be for teams to compete within their tiers. So you don't get large mismatches, although there will still be age groups that are stronger/weaker than the rest, it would be far more even then it is now. This would be huge in helping some of the struggling schools build rugby culture. This would also likely be reviewed at the end of every year. Say for example, Cranbrook have a resurgence as they are arguably the strongest tier 2 school in the rough draft above. They would likely replace Pats or even Barker depending on how things go moving forward.

It would make the combined CAS/ISA comp very entertaining (for some schools) but It will ruin the rich history and culture that a lot of us grew up with.

Perhaps the CAS and ISA competition are due for a change.....

 

[Jumping_jack]

Confirming the Waverley v Cranbrook fixture has been moved to Adelaide oval as a warm
Up game for state of origin.

 

[pocockenthusiast1973]

Confirming the Waverley v Cranbrook fixture has been moved to Adelaide oval as a warm
Up game for state of origin.

I thought it was at Allianz??

 

[workingdasnipe]

On the lines of this, does Aloys have a 3rd XV this year?

Yes. 3rd & 4ths