CAS Rugby 2023

[JohnnyOhns]

Only beating Stannies by 20 points is a bit too be "worried" about. Also I wouldn't write Aloys off, you never know when a 2019 Aloys Vs Waverly upset could happen again. Does anyone know if they had players out for the stannies game?

It's interesting how Barker and Cranbrook went up to stannies and only won by small margins (was expecting a much larger win for barker). I heard a lot from my son about the refereeing in the Cranbrook 1st XV game but I don't think you can blame a tight game on bad refereeing. Interesting too hear out of the barker camp if they had similar issues with the dodgy refereeing.

 

[workingdasnipe]

Only beating Stannies by 20 points is a bit too be "worried" about. Also I wouldn't write Aloys off, you never know when a 2019 Aloys Vs Waverly upset could happen again. Does anyone know if they had players out for the stannies game?

Aloys will not win . No chance on gods green earth!

 

[workingdasnipe]

It is my opinion that the two best schools in NSW right now both currently reside in the CAS comp. Despite this, the culture of elitism in the GPS is still incredibly strong, something I have experienced first hand.

Which 2 schools RoD?

 

[Halfbackenthusiast]

Watching the Barker vs Stannies game noticed in the first 5 minutes very undisciplined giving away 2 stupid penalties leading to a Stannies try. Also at 15:40 in the video clear lack of cohesion within the team with a skill issue within 10 metres of the try line. I really think they need to tighten up their game heading into the first round of CAS.
Thoughts? Ruchko out.

I had similar thoughts with backline set piece. There was a lot of stray passes, I was willing to put it down to a new centre pairing and a young backline but there was a reliance on individual brilliance. Those opportunities will be few and far between against sides of knox and waves quality

 

[Halfbackenthusiast]

It's interesting how Barker and Cranbrook went up to stannies and only won by small margins (was expecting a much larger win for barker). I heard a lot from my son about the refereeing in the Cranbrook 1st XV game but I don't think you can blame a tight game on bad refereeing. Interesting too hear out of the barker camp if they had similar issues with the dodgy refereeing.

Having a conversation with a stannies dad on the weekend. The team that played against barker and brook was vastly improved and better then the team agaknst Scott’s. They had some good players, there 15 and 3 in particular but yes you’re right the results should’ve been a lot better

 

[Erastos Luccassen]

It's interesting how Barker and Cranbrook went up to stannies and only won by small margins (was expecting a much larger win for barker). I heard a lot from my son about the refereeing in the Cranbrook 1st XV game but I don't think you can blame a tight game on bad refereeing. Interesting too hear out of the barker camp if they had similar issues with the dodgy refereeing.

Just watched the Barker v Stannies from Stannies youtube and the young lads commentating on it mention that the referee is the dad of Stannies number 5 in the 1st XV so definitely can't guarantee a lack of bias. It has been mentioned before about the country refs when playing at Kinross and Stannies

 

[JohnnyOhns]

Just watched the Barker v Stannies from Stannies youtube and the young lads commentating on it mention that the referee is the dad of Stannies number 5 in the 1st XV so definitely can't guarantee a lack of bias. It has been mentioned before about the country refs when playing at Kinross and Stannies

Yes there is a lot of bias which is understandable due to the lack of availability for refs in the area and all of them being hired through the school not rugby NSW. When Cranbrook was up there many of the 1sts and 2nd XV coaches reffed some of the lower age group games earlier in the day due to the lack of availability.

 

[Goosestep]

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Cough Cough ... Joeys
Joeys ranked 150th in the HSC in 2021 and barely broke 100th last year.

Shame they put all their time and money into a good rugby program instead of focusing on the schools performance. However with some shocking results across the board for Joeys this season maybe suggests things are about to take a turn for the schools academics.

One would hope so after such atrocious rankings.

Gotta love them for their footy though (apart from this year)

mate you might fool some here , but you’re just a troll ..

don’t insult the kids on the forum .

Secondly, it doesn’t take big brains to realise why Australia’s largest boarding school (joeys) didnt do well during 2021 … and its a credit to them how they bounced back 50 spots in one year.

 

[RedOrDead]

It’s not scholarships it’s the culture of the school. All these schools have the ability and means to be strong at rugby, it’s whether they choose to or not which is the difference. Look at Oakhill now smashing some CAS schools .. why ? they’ve developed a strong rugby culture.. (I see Gregs - more league traditionally- following this model)
.. look at shore a few years ago some of you would have salivated at throwing them into the abyss of a bastardised second tier comp, and now they extremely competitive with the big boys of the GPS. Again, this is due to heavily encouraged rugby culture and program .

If your school goes down to the 8ths in soccer but can’t fill a 3rds in rugby…. don’t Blame your association, look inward to solve the problem.\

Your first point is simply not true. Every school is different, with different sizes, different geographic location, different cost and different deomographic... All of which DRASTICALLY affects a schools rugby ability. Let's move with the times. Realise that schools have different goals and abilities and adapt... Because old thinking is contributing to the suffering of rugby cultures in some schools and that's blatantly obvious.

The beauty of the tier system that we have discussed is that it is fluid. Shore would have been a tier 2 team (and still probably are), but with improvement could be moved into the top tier. Plus its MUCH easier to build rugby culture when you get to play teams of your standard... It's all well and good too say Aloys should improve their program... But if I'm an Aloys boy why would I want to play rugby where I concede 50 points to Barker, Knox and Waverley, and get physically manhandled by much more athletic boys week in a and week out... That argument majorly lacks nuance.

 

[pocockenthusiast1973]

mate you might fool some here , but you’re just a troll ..

don’t insult the kids on the forum .

Secondly, it doesn’t take big brains to realise why Australia’s largest boarding school (joeys) didnt do well during 2021 … and its a credit to them how they bounced back 50 spots in one year.

Mate, I am not a troll.

For a $55k school (including boarding fees) you’d expect them to perform better academically.

Also, my “insult” is a fair dig at their performance on the field this year in comparison to other years. The team consists of some very talented players however, due to the intense competition this season in the GPS they have been experiencing some tough losses.

If you look at the HSC rankings for over the past 10 years you’d discover that the rankings are consistently poor for a school of such a high price. Have a look for yourself, you may learn that in comparison to other major NSW private schools, the academics are generally bad.

I have spoken to many parents who have had to pull their children out from the school due to bad academic performance and also a “hierarchal” like culture.

Before you assume of people as trolls, please do some research. You sound like a Joeys old boy, desperately trying to protect your school.


No hard feelings
Pocockenthusiast1973 Out!

 

[JackJill]

Your first point is simply not true. Every school is different, with different sizes, different geographic location, different cost and different deomographic... All of which DRASTICALLY affects a schools rugby ability. Let's move with the times. Realise that schools have different goals and abilities and adapt... Because old thinking is contributing to the suffering of rugby cultures in some schools and that's blatantly obvious.

The beauty of the tier system that we have discussed is that it is fluid. Shore would have been a tier 2 team (and still probably are), but with improvement could be moved into the top tier. Plus its MUCH easier to build rugby culture when you get to play teams of your standard... It's all well and good too say Aloys should improve their program... But if I'm an Aloys boy why would I want to play rugby where I concede 50 points to Barker, Knox and Waverley, and get physically manhandled by much more athletic boys week in a and week out... That argument majorly lacks nuance.

The first step would be combining with ISA. A healthier, balanced, intriguing competition where every game could go either way would contest with the AAGPS competition, possibly turning some opinions to a prospective future where all schools are ranked and have the opportunity to fluctuate between competitions depending on programs and results.

Of course, there will be hurdles, tradition, the 's' word, and other arguable topics, but in overview, it would be for the total benefit of Rugby Australia, popularising and growing the game even more.

 

[pocockenthusiast1973]

The first step would be combining with ISA. A healthier, balanced, intriguing competition where every game could go either way would contest with the AAGPS competition, possibly turning some opinions to a prospective future where all schools are ranked and have the opportunity to fluctuate between competitions depending on programs and results.

Of course, there will be hurdles, tradition, the 's' word, and other arguable topics, but in overview, it would be for the total benefit of Rugby Australia, popularising and growing the game even more.

Do it for the footy

 

[Snort]

My last word on the 10-round competition.... remember that when we had the home-and-away ten rounds, the team leading at the half way point never failed to win the competition. We had a couple of years where the last round decided whether the premiership was won outright or shared, but most years the winner was unbeatable by Round 7. There was never an occasion when two sides went into the last round equal on points with the prospect of the final round splitting the two. The idea that ten rounds is "close and exciting" is nice, but in practice it never really worked out that way.

 

[Snort]

My thoughts on the tiered structure are well known. But this thought also occurs to me: it could be accompanied by a revival of the Waratah Shield, played as a knockout by any school that cares to enter. The Waratah Shield would be seeded, to avoid mismatches in the early rounds, but it would allow a strong Tier 2 team to match itself against Tier 1 sides in a meaningful competitive environment.

 

[Bob_Jones]

I’m not sure they will be too worried with Aloys as first opponents.

Quote of the year at 57:15:

"Will Tom's dad give him the cheese?"
"Ohhh, Andy Grey gives Tom Grey a yellow card, father and son relationship."
"Not going to be a good dinner tonight"

 

[FoleyBealeFolau]

You couldn't be any more wrong Scrumhead99

Due to the sudden death competition of the CAS competition, who knows what may happen. For all we know Trinity could get some lucky wins and then be up there with Knox + Barker. I am starting to think your account is the pisstake here, not megarugbyman...

Bagging out other people in the forums is unnecessary, you sound like a troll!!!!

Waves are back in full force and will give Cranbrook a run for their money this weekend.

Pocockenthusiast1973 out!!

The winner of Cranbrook and Waverley gets a massive confidence boost going into next term with Cranbrook playing trinity next up after the show down at Death Valley. Waverley having a tough run coming up against Cranbrook then Barker there season could be over before it had even started. With Wav Col winning 38-24 and The Brook 26-14 against Auggies. the show down of the east should be one for the ages. I believe Cranbrook have not won at Queens park for 14 years so although this new found Cranbrook confidence on the forums, Waverley should still go into this game as favourites.

 

[workingdasnipe]

Bottom 3 teams Vs. Top 3 teams this week. Can anyone see any upsets on the cards? Big win for Knox IMO.

WDS

 

[Hercules Von Grimmelshaus]

Only beating Stannies by 20 points is a bit too be "worried" about. Also I wouldn't write Aloys off, you never know when a 2019 Aloys Vs Waverly upset could happen again. Does anyone know if they had players out for the stannies game?

They won by 6 tries to 1 and 30+ points so not a huge margin but still good. Missing a couple of players and travelling long distance in a day they were always going to be rusty. Can’t see Aloys getting within 40 points. Depends on how many subs are brought on in the 2nd half by Barker

 

[Eyes Up Footy]

I haven't seen a single person on the CAS forum say they would refuse to merge our competition with the ISA.

Hey RoD, personally I wouldn't refuse this either.

However, I think it just adds to the skill gap problems that have been mentioned previously. For instance, the bottom ISA teams would not and will never be able to compete with the likes of Knox and Barker. As we have seen in the trials, the only schools that could compete evenly in the CAS would be St Augustine's and Oakhill (even still, Knox put 50 on Oakhill a few weeks ago).

BUT, it does create fairer competition between the bottom schools which means the likes of Aloys, Kinross, and Pius wouldn't be running out to get smashed every week. I think Rugby AU needs to take this into serious consideration.

 

[rugbyGandG]

The winner of Cranbrook and Waverley gets a massive confidence boost going into next term with Cranbrook playing trinity next up after the show down at Death Valley. Waverley having a tough run coming up against Cranbrook then Barker there season could be over before it had even started. With Wav Col winning 38-24 and The Brook 26-14 against Auggies. the show down of the east should be one for the ages. I believe Cranbrook have not won at Queens park for 14 years so although this new found Cranbrook confidence on the forums, Waverley should still go into this game as favourites.

With this years heavily heated Cranbrook and Waves rivalry, Death Valley this weekend will be arguably the biggest game of the season.

We will see a massive crowd and some controversial chants from the schoolboys.

Cranbrook are currently 2-0 winning the AFL and the Basketball...

Very very very excited.